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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Diploid]
#18185940 - 04/29/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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This argument is the kind of shit I used to argue in second grade. 
I love it when you do that.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: liquidlounge]
#18185959 - 04/29/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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I had a conference with Dip's teacher and she told me there is a very good chance he will make third grade this year.
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Not bad 
Apparantly I am in fourth myself. I saw it
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Diploid]
#18190480 - 04/30/13 01:57 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Diploid said: And no, I don't agree we inhabit the same world.
Uhm, no. That's a childish fairy tale way to see things. I'm pretty sure if I shoot you in my world, you will die in your world and everyone else's world too.
A very aggressive example. I wonder why you would choose that. But let's go with it regardless.
You cannot shoot me in your world because you live in another world. The world where you shoot me is the consensus reality we share. So you kill me only there, my world is bigger than just that consensus/public space. Yours is too. When a bystander looks at this situation, he sees me and you and me being killed. Which means little as a control check on what is going on between you and I because he also shares this consensus reality.
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That's because there is only one world. Different perceptions do not equate to different world.
And you agree with this despite your ridiculous argument. Otherwise, you would not lock your doors at night. What would be the point if you inhabit your own personal world instead of a shared one where others can steal you shit which exists in a common world.
This argument is the kind of shit I used to argue in second grade. 
I think you are just not advanced enough yet to understand such concepts. Keep shrooming, though I doubt it will help you.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Vaipen]
#18191519 - 04/30/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think you are just not advanced enough yet to understand such concepts.
Nah, I've shroomed more than most. I'm pretty sure you will catch up to me when you get a little older and mature. Then you'll thank me for the advice that's currently going way over your head.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Diploid]
#18191556 - 04/30/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Vaipen]
#18191568 - 04/30/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think you are just not advanced enough yet to understand such concepts. Keep shrooming, though I doubt it will help you.
Sometimes i want to believe in perfection, the way this came after my post is such.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: clam_dude]
#18191630 - 04/30/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Most of us have some imaginary friends...you think they are your friend, turns out they are not.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: teknix]
#18192372 - 04/30/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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lolwut said: This thread is fucked 100 pages and no conclusion
Atheism (in it's entirety) is objectively and conclusively not the only rational position, nor is it even rational as a whole, because the irrationality of certain aspects contaminates the rest of the culture.
Sure there might be a pure culture in the petri dish, if you don't count the contaminates . . . Yet to be a pure culture you have to consider the contaminates and isolate the rationality away from the irrationality.
Dang that was good!
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Diploid]
#18196471 - 05/01/13 10:56 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Diploid said: I think you are just not advanced enough yet to understand such concepts.
Nah, I've shroomed more than most. I'm pretty sure you will catch up to me when you get a little older and mature. Then you'll thank me for the advice that's currently going way over your head.

I did not see any advice there. You seem to think I am 18. I might be older than you. Who knows? Let's just agree that my view on reality is so different from yours, there is no chance I could ever describe it to your satisfaction in understanding. What I say flies in the face of a logic you base your views on. And in any case, nothing of what I say need necessarily be taken to be true.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Vaipen]
#18196614 - 05/01/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Diploid said: I think you are just not advanced enough yet to understand such concepts.
Nah, I've shroomed more than most. I'm pretty sure you will catch up to me when you get a little older and mature. Then you'll thank me for the advice that's currently going way over your head.

I did not see any advice there. You seem to think I am 18. I might be older than you. Who knows? Let's just agree that my view on reality is so different from yours, there is no chance I could ever describe it to your satisfaction in understanding. What I say flies in the face of a logic you base your views on. And in any case, nothing of what I say need necessarily be taken to be true.
well good, because pretty much nothing you have said is true. We all live in the same world, reality, whatever you want to call it. And I wouldn't want to live in a world where people think that their actions don't effect others. Or who think that the suffering of people on the other side of the world doesn't exist because they can't see it/hear it.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Vaipen] 1
#18196652 - 05/01/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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I did not see any advice there. You seem to think I am 18.
You seem to read things I didn't write. You also seem to think you can read minds. But here's some advice: you can't, so keep your day job. 
Let's just agree that my view on reality is so different from yours
Really now? Doctor, heal thyself or some such, eh?
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I think you are just not advanced enough yet to understand such concepts. Keep shrooming, though I doubt it will help you.
How about we agree that you don't know the first fucking thing about me, how many shrooms I've eaten, my level of enlightenment, how "advanced" I am or any fucking thing else you assumed you know about me in your prior post.
Let's also agree that if you keep writing demonstrably drooling-moron level shit that would embarrass a second grader, I will call it what it is. And if you don't agree, I don't give a flying shit. I'll still call it what it is.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Diploid]
#18196695 - 05/01/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Vaipen] 2
#18199685 - 05/01/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Vaipen said:
I think you are just not advanced enough yet to understand such concepts. Keep shrooming, though I doubt it will help you.
its crazy how much you see these kinds of remarks here. it sounds like something a drugged up teenager would say to his/her parents. its really very childish.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Diploid]
#18199701 - 05/01/13 09:56 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Rofl 2cool4u!
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Need to l2 define direct and indirect ad hominems.
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Starting from a pragmadialectical concept of reasonableness, the judgments of ordinary arguers concerning the reasonableness of discussion moves were investigated, concentrating on argumentum ad hominem fallacies. Three variants of ad hominem were presented to the respondents: (a) the abusive direct personal attack, (b) the circumstantial indirect personal attack, and (c) the you too! (tu quoque) variant. These fallacies were incorporated in items of three types: (a) a scientific discussion, (b) a political debate, and (c) a domestic discussion. As predicted, the respondents regarded speech acts with an ad hominem fallacy as lacking in reasonableness. They considered the direct personal attack least reasonable, then the indirect personal attack, then the tu quoque fallacy. In a scientific discussion, ad hominem fallacies were viewed as less reasonable than in the other two types of discussion.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Vaipen]
#18199754 - 05/01/13 10:05 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ped said: >> Well obviously, you've been herded by the "new atheists." See, there's no way out - no matter what you believe, or how much you can think for yourself, you must have been herded and indoctrinated into the "religion of atheism". At least that's what many people here seem to believe.
Nah, "new atheists" have an agenda to obliterate religion. They see it is the root of our all our human problems, when really it's just a symptom.
Back that up, please. I've never heard any popular new atheist say that, and I've heard many of them explicitly deny it: Harris, Dawkins, Hitchens, et cet.
Once again, I suspect you of just making up a straw man to beat up because you have this vague discomfort with atheism but can't defeat it on the merits.
What are the merits to you then? What are the merits to you then?
The merits are the people who subscribe? I doubt that . . .
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Diploid]
#18199853 - 05/01/13 10:18 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wow, shit is heating up in here.
It is starting to smell pretty dangerous.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Cactilove]
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: teknix]
#18199957 - 05/01/13 10:35 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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When it is going against no logic it usually does.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Cactilove]
#18199983 - 05/01/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just wait, someone will post another idiotic argument given enough time, it's almost inevitable!
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