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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: PsilyPhily]
    #18139168 - 04/20/13 07:27 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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This entire thread is a contradiction,
The only thing it has proven is that we all have a irrational side that makes us argue with people over bullshit that will never be definitive ever..

Why waste you breathe?

I am agnostic, There could be something we don't know about but I wont be convinced until I can see it with my own eyes..

As far as any other religion goes, Best of luck to you.
It is not my place to insult anyone with a different belief and if you think that you are winning heavenly tokens for gods carnival by arguing that everyone else is wrong well then you are stupid..

So what is the point?

I think it is getting to the point where people have no belief in anything but just say that they do so they have something to talk about..

I know many atheist guys and well there all dicks..
The roll there eyes whenever they see anyone of any other culture or background which sickens me, If you are a believer in god you should have a similar mindset to anyone else with a belief system.

If a native american tribe was out of touch from the rest of the world,
Living in a dense forest, The word of god or any other religion would never contact those people.

My point there is that if there is a religion it could be any as even when a culture is convinced it's beliefs are true it defies logic that it could be a world religion due to the fact that this deity should love all of creation and yet neglects the closed off few..

So to sum up, Everyone needs to go get a life and just believe what they wanna believe..

P.s. If a tree falls in the woods, It doesn't make a sound unless there is someone or something to register it's presence.
It is a famous quote because although we know it would make a sound with someone standing there.
It does not make a sound when there is no device or ears or life to register it..

Please just trust me on this one, I am well educated on the subject..

:mushroom2:Phil.





The point is to win the debate.

It both makes a sound and doesn't make a sound. Because to ponder a tree falling in the thought experiment would create a sound in super-position, both existing and not at the same time.


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Quantum superposition is a fundamental principle of quantum mechanics that holds that a physical systemβ€”such as an electronβ€”exists partly in all its particular, theoretically possible states (or, configuration of its properties) simultaneously; but, when measured or observed, it gives a result corresponding to only one of the possible configurations (as described in interpretation of quantum mechanics).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_superposition





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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: teknix]
    #18139171 - 04/20/13 07:29 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

The point is to win the debate.

:thumbup:

This is about it. :shrug:  Maybe it's the lurkers who are really able to learn much here because they have much less investment in being "right".


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Icelander]
    #18139181 - 04/20/13 07:35 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Icelander said:
The point is to win the debate.

:thumbup:

This is about it. :shrug:  Maybe it's the lurkers who are really able to learn much here because they have much less investment in being "right".




Sif you can't win a debate without emotional investment.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: teknix]
    #18139185 - 04/20/13 07:37 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I haven't seen many post here without emotional investment. Can't think of any right off the top of my head.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Icelander]
    #18139188 - 04/20/13 07:39 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

So then stand on the sidelines and cheer!

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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: teknix]
    #18139191 - 04/20/13 07:40 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I'm too mouthy.  I love the sound of my own opinion. :wink:  Plus I like to joke around.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Icelander]
    #18139202 - 04/20/13 07:44 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: teknix]
    #18139212 - 04/20/13 07:51 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

The only thing that saves me from being a complete bore is I know as well as I know anything that I'm FOS and secretly not convinced of much of what I claim to believe is true.  I just like to play devils advocate.

Like this thread. :lol:  I used to believe in all things spiritual, now I'm balancing myself by being a skeptic.  But I have no idea really where the truth lies.

I don't think I'll ever know what truth is.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Icelander]
    #18139216 - 04/20/13 07:53 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

So, do you think there might be something wrong with not knowing?

Does it make you stupid or is ignorance necessarily a bad thing??


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: teknix]
    #18139222 - 04/20/13 07:55 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I have no idea. :lol:  I certainly would like to know. But if I did, I might not like the truth at all.  In fact that's a real fear of mine


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Icelander]
    #18139223 - 04/20/13 07:56 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

It seems like ignorance allows for possibilities to be pondered.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: teknix]
    #18139239 - 04/20/13 08:01 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah maybe so, I also think most of us would like to be sure of a few things.  That's a problem at times cause ultimately I don't think we really do know much that we can be sure of.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Icelander]
    #18139276 - 04/20/13 08:19 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I think life would be dull if everything was known.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: teknix]
    #18139286 - 04/20/13 08:22 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Well we won't have to worry about that.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Vaipen]
    #18139984 - 04/20/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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When all self-reflectiveness disappear from the world, the world will seize to exist.




No.  That's just wrong. Solipsism is a pretty silly idea.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: PsilyPhily]
    #18140016 - 04/20/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

PsilyPhily said:
P.s. If a tree falls in the woods, It doesn't make a sound unless there is someone or something to register it's presence.
It is a famous quote because although we know it would make a sound with someone standing there.
It does not make a sound when there is no device or ears or life to register it..

Please just trust me on this one, I am well educated on the subject..

:mushroom2:Phil.




Rofl ...Again, you win the irony contest.

Why don't you respond to what I wrote in response to you?  You defined sound as vibrations in air particles.  How is that dependent on a brain to perceive it? What if a sound shatters a window, but nobody hears it?

I can't believe some of the nonsense I've read on the last few pages of this thread.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: teknix]
    #18141830 - 04/20/13 08:37 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I think life would be dull if everything was known.

Not sure about that, i think an even more advanced concept would take form. When/if knowledge get 100% "undressed" a new concept will arise IMO.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: clam_dude]
    #18155866 - 04/23/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Quote:

Vaipen said:
When all self-reflectiveness disappear from the world, the world will seize to exist.




No.  That's just wrong. Solipsism is a pretty silly idea.




syllymagism...

no?

"hunger, the world is"
-yoda

why will the world cease to  exist?  it will cease to exist when the singer for the virgin wolves quiffs, or because the world does not want to look at itself it will exist


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: clam_dude]
    #18155895 - 04/23/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

clam_dude said:
Quote:

PsilyPhily said:
P.s. If a tree falls in the woods, It doesn't make a sound unless there is someone or something to register it's presence.
It is a famous quote because although we know it would make a sound with someone standing there.
It does not make a sound when there is no device or ears or life to register it..

Please just trust me on this one, I am well educated on the subject..

:mushroom2:Phil.




Rofl ...Again, you win the irony contest.

Why don't you respond to what I wrote in response to you?  You defined sound as vibrations in air particles.  How is that dependent on a brain to perceive it? What if a sound shatters a window, but nobody hears it?

I can't believe some of the nonsense I've read on the last few pages of this thread.




with his deaf ear, he will not oyster

tree is like a cat, you cannot see it, won't fall...too old

hear that window shatter myself was, around it myself was not

what ears do these elfs have not to listen


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: lucifane]
    #18155983 - 04/23/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

:braindamage: :youjelly:


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