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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: teknix]
    #17786615 - 02/11/13 11:11 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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The baby is dependent upon the mother and hasn't a voice to have rights.




Again. Man made rights. Which are below natural rights.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: teknix]
    #17786620 - 02/11/13 11:13 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Rights are what we discover throughout history and living. God doesn't give you rights magically, you have to take them.





Now you are just talking sillyness. Good look proving any of that involves more than opinion and some stuff from the bible or what not.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: GilbertC06]
    #17786642 - 02/11/13 11:17 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Oh, the pretend rights that have no power or enforcer? Sounds like bullshit wishes.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: teknix]
    #17786647 - 02/11/13 11:19 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

:shrug:


Edited by teknix (02/12/13 12:17 AM)


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: teknix]
    #17786648 - 02/11/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Oh, the pretend rights that have no power or enforcer? Sounds like bullshit wishes.




I don't know about you but I'm breathing and living. And so are BILLIONS and BILLIONS and BILLIONS of other organisms such as bacteria and single celled organisms who can't talk. I don't think we had to pass a law for them to live.

Natural laws work pretty well in my view.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: GilbertC06]
    #17786657 - 02/11/13 11:21 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I'm sure there are some who don't have that right.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: GilbertC06]
    #17786659 - 02/11/13 11:21 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

And the way you live, you have to have a God for you to exist? If he doesn't you don't?

Tough shit bro. I heard through the grapevine he might not.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: teknix]
    #17786689 - 02/11/13 11:28 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Man's laws override natural law in practice. Natural law is fanciful at best and naive at worst. Survival of the fittest, no mercy, rape, murder, cannabilism, all present in nature. Is it that nature that is more civilized than man?

You will more likely be murdered by nature than by a man. Even if you were murdered by a man, he is part of nature.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: teknix]
    #17786701 - 02/11/13 11:31 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I don't need to think there is a god to exist, I don't need to pretend to know anything to exist.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: teknix]
    #17786702 - 02/11/13 11:32 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

People are murdered. People are raped.

Law, and law enforcement maybe keep the numbers down. But they don't prevent it.

Natural laws 1

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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: GilbertC06]
    #17786712 - 02/11/13 11:34 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Animals are raped by other animals, what do you think the baculum was evolved for? -1 NL, the animals don't try to prevent it as a society at all +1 ML

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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: teknix]
    #17786717 - 02/11/13 11:36 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

A Praying Mantis will decapitate and eat its mates head after mating, its her right.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: teknix]
    #17786726 - 02/11/13 11:39 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

You are confusing the argument again.

I never said which would one is better for humans. Or which one would be more comfortable or safe.

I'm saying which one has more power over the other. Which one prevails when the shit hits the fan. Which one will still be here if humans became extinct.

Natural law.

Let's just say all the electricity went away everywhere. Looting. Raping. Murder. Riots.

Natural law.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: GilbertC06]
    #17786734 - 02/11/13 11:42 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

You are confusing it, what does that have to do with rights?

People would still have rights if chaos broke out, the rights they can claim and enforce, that's it. That is natural law.

A lion claims the right to mate with the pride, because he can claim and enforce it.

What about the other lion who don't get to mate? What about his rights?


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: teknix]
    #17786737 - 02/11/13 11:44 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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You are confusing it, what does that have to do with rights?

People would still have rights if chaos broke out, the rights they can claim and enforce, that's it. That is natural law.

A lion claims the right to mate with the pride, because he can claim and enforce it.





Again you made MY point.

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A lion claims the right to mate with the pride, because he can claim and enforce it.




Because he is able to do so. Doesn't have to be written on paper.

Natural law wins.

You are fucking ridiculous.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: GilbertC06]
    #17786748 - 02/11/13 11:46 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

No, I made the point that rights are only for those who can claim/enforce them. We ultimately decide our rights, if nature decided our rights, we as a whole wouldn't have any. The toughest guys or riches guys would have all the rights and the bitches.

The hypothetical baby didn't have any rights.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: teknix]
    #17786776 - 02/11/13 11:52 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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No, I made the point that rights are only for those who can claim/enforce them. We ultimately decide our rights, if nature decided our rights, we as a whole wouldn't have any. The toughest guys or riches guys would have all the rights and the bitches.





Made my point again. The strongest/richest have all the rights and bitches. That's actually true, you know that right?

Natural law


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: GilbertC06]
    #17786803 - 02/11/13 11:59 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

And how do they have these rights? They are things within their ability that they claim.

The lion without a pride is shit out of luck, because he can't claim or enforce shit, AND no one else is gonna do it for him.

So the moral of the story is to beat some ass, get a bunch of money, take out your competitors, then send all your bitches to work and get on the front cover of Nat Geo as King Pimpin?


Edited by teknix (02/12/13 12:06 AM)


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: teknix]
    #17786861 - 02/12/13 12:20 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

This applies, in a world where life has no value, even as an atheist, you must recognize the sheer complexity of existence, and respect it's value therein, this is the only rational position.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #17786866 - 02/12/13 12:23 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Then define life? What about a nematode living in your colon?

Does sentience remain silent in life?


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