clam_dude said:

psychedelicchick said:

"Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs."

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Precisely.  Who's quote is that?

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cez said:

I don't understand how it's rational not to believe in a higher existence?
Why is a rational mind so important to you?

I think a lot of the brilliant minds in the world and of the past lean more towards an irrational mind.

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psychedelicchick said:

clam_dude said:

psychedelicchick said:

"Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs."

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Precisely.  Who's quote is that?

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Sam Harris from Letter To A Christian Nation

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psychedelicchick said:

Its unjustified when there is absolutely zero evidence.

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I think there's plenty of evidence that details a "master builder" so to speak.
Anything I post regarding evidence can be picked apart-Doesn't make it untrue, except maybe to you

Because you can't see something doesn't mean there's nothing there.
A shark for example may not notice the existence of humans but obviously that doesn't mean we can't affect that shark.

sVs said:

This whole thread;

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clam_dude said:

cez said:

I don't understand how it's rational not to believe in a higher existence?
Why is a rational mind so important to you?

I think a lot of the brilliant minds in the world and of the past lean more towards an irrational mind.

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There is no alternative to rationality.  There are subjective experiences - we might date someone for reasons that we can't quantify or rationalize.  But that's just because we don't understand the complexities of the human mind.  It's not "irrational" to date this person either. 

If irrationality is an alternative to rationality, then there is no point in talking about anything, ever. 

If I accept someone's statement that they don't use reason regarding god, then I must use reason to understand why this statement might lead to a belief in god.  you can't have it both ways.  You can't decide on a whim when not to use reason.

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sVs said:

This whole thread;

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clam_dude said:

Common now, this is just becoming spam.

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Mr Person said:

Actually agnosticism is the only rational position.  It's just as impossible to prove that there is no god as it is to prove that one exists.

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Aerial Boundaries said:

Well, no, atheism entirely precludes the existence of a god.

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clam_dude said:

Ok now, seriousness, I demand seriousness. We're talking about adults with imaginary friends here.

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sVs said:

It's only an imaginary friend if you're a child. If you're older, it's a mental disorder.
If you convince someone else your imaginary friend is real, it's religion!

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Phoenician said:

Would the universe exist if there were nothing to perceive it? If yes then who would be asking the question?

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clam_dude said:

Ok now, seriousness, I demand seriousness. We're talking about adults with imaginary friends here.

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Phoenician said:

I would define God as everything, yes, but that this everything has an inherent personal characteristic. Hence "God" not "the universe" or whatever. God being the universe and everything that exists beyond it. Would the universe exist if there were nothing to perceive it? If yes then who would be asking the question? I believe the experience of God exists as a unitive state between subject and object. Why God is not rational is because the rational mind cannot comprehend it. A subsystem cannot comprehend that which is meta to it.

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usulpsychonaut said:

So, what happens when you are really afraid? What higher function than prayer does a true atheist have?

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