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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #28626211 - 01/18/24 05:14 PM (9 days, 20 hours ago)

well here we are


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28626225 - 01/18/24 05:21 PM (9 days, 20 hours ago)

Isn't that just a bit odd?


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: connectedcosmos] * 1
    #28626231 - 01/18/24 05:24 PM (9 days, 20 hours ago)

Seems more even to me.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28626316 - 01/18/24 06:20 PM (9 days, 19 hours ago)

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redgreenvines said:
well here we are





this is why anything seems possible to me

The existence of a single pixel or photon of light is as absurd and unexplainable as magic, as the flat earth theory or anything


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Freedom]
    #28626384 - 01/18/24 07:09 PM (9 days, 18 hours ago)

Do you think that makes you an extra happy person?


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28626613 - 01/18/24 11:28 PM (9 days, 14 hours ago)

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could the universe have created itself, and is it inclined to repeat the show? loopy?





forgive my 'raised in a trilingual household, shuffled across the world, bad with language & communication via pure written word only, blind ass' for any technical glitches/erros :blah:
*for the error-nazi part(s) of us that maybe following along:

follow the tune, not the words....

Alright, with that out of the way...

I'm inclined towards 'emptiness'  as an actuality with real, or, meaning: true throughout eternity - intrinsic properties.  Which, ever so crudely, and, when simply stated, necessarily unbecome, is itself: the place within which (or) whereby, or, spacetime can even continually continue without end in some shape, manner, form, permutation *as a whole* as equaling that which is as truly primordial as it can possibly ever get as.  :shrug:  Some variation of that.

Reality, or Imhoe, Energy as Suchness as a natural byproduct of past events having begun...or mainstay... as in, Never having a beginning? Believe it or not, there's a difference.

That makes so much more clear sense to reason wrt physics wrt phenomena as a whole or in parts, at least, it does in my mind. 

Much more so than it does most anything else I've come across regarding the 'origination' of something...which, insofar as I can discern while mindful of my limits, it certainly does have a quality to it which simply cannot be fabricated in the first place - there's no first place, let me put it like that. 

For creative purposes - Let's just say - there's no first place, there's simply now, as in, the unoriginatable place, meaning...now as an eternity, or, something like 'the most fundamentally unobstructed, or invincible ancient'

By invincible, I mean in newtonian fashion.  That's the one clue, besides literally being here now, that, to me, fits as a functional solution to our speculative conjecture and poking and prodding in labs or any other parries ~ regardless of what happens ~ it carries on, there is a persistence of flowingness which cannot be but the aboutness of such a suchness itself, in my opinion as per experientially tested a million times, I cannot find a crack with which to even slip into the seams, not without already being there by its own being.  That is, If I worded that well enough to make some sense to you?

Mutations, permutations, cycles?  I imagine so, yeah.
Just by watching nature, and, comprehending energy, and, tracing shit through space - tracking and detecting -  this sucker definitely has to be pro-recycling.
I mean...If energy, it it truly cannot be made nor destroyed?  It's a like a big fat virtual zero.

How to even convey something beyond technology or magic as capable of producing or transforming itself or aspects or parts of itself into what can potentially outperform both in their most maximalized modalities wrt efficiency...combine both and well...isn't that a bit like, uh...the cosmos...capable of...nature...said nature, capable of psychedelics?  Yea...dude.  Our most precious receptors enabling for us to even be aware of there being consciousness of sensory organs in the midst of operating while still themselves subject to flux.  Nothing can be as such without some precedence, thus, it already always ever was.  I simply can't simulate or think or imagine or conceive of any other way that a cosmos like ours can even potentially occur by, unless of itself [although the details of the nature of it in various forms on an absolute or 'across all time' or 'across all space all at once' in any given instant of its own timeless moment (with the actual very moment phenomenologically being akin to that of emptiness) as expressing itself as the non-absolute nature of itself ~ meaning (or, rather) enabling us: incompletely evolved life forms as per at this 'point' in time, get a chance to 'take a stab at it'.  Points are like the punctualities of timing wrt circumstantiality stacking of spacetime itself (akin to how like with perception can layer...as you like to say ' framestack'). 

One thing I wonder is:

If in certain arrangements of stackings, ie. think: high artistry of the tibetans, or any other inspired architecturally awesome designs by any culture throughout history...I wonder if the passing of time itself becomes warped due to various arrangements of spatiality itself, or, if not from that, than perhaps the same'ish, but from another source ~ have you looked up all around at all lately? 

Idk if its just me, but it seems like there's literally endless tracing of light's having passed from eons ago left trails like a comet's tail behind itself while fading away -but- in so doing - with nothing being 'wasted' all passing of transient form enabling other interactivities to occur throughout, well...emptiness, the primordial.  Idk how else to put or convey something which needn't be created.  To think it needs being created in the first place is erroneous thinking to me.

For all we know, our 'place' we call the Universe, is but like a speck of dust from the waveletting of some other dreamy old particle in the midst of deforming (since, 3 the marks of existence constantly, consistently apply across any instant of any area of any thing 'momenting', probably even spacetime itself...and we simply aren't equipped enough of life yet to even be cognizant of our own ignorance of it.

The illusion of knowledge is pesky af.  I think, we may have gotten (super royal we for the whole species, ha) or rather, put the cart before the horse, so to speak.


Again, if energy itself is uncreated and undestoyable - that leaves but 1 logical superposition - which fits well with some of the wisdom traditions and some of the more deeply established scientific findings about the nature of matter.  Wrt compounded forms as transient by virtue of their 'temporarily carried' energy (not the mere appearance of their composition) being intrapositioned interdependently everywhere at once since..We can't think of things as being far apart anymore or close together even ~ its beyond baffling, frankly, that it even rings of a lick of sense, I just can't even anymore. 

hahaha.  its been fun though, thanks dude.

While not necessarily technically true exactly of what we've written of it thus far, reality is indeed  in some manner or variation of what we're technically actually speaking to of while within and of the ever aboutness itself...*knock on wood* I'm pretty sure we're at least temporarily here now...if so, then, more or less, basically the answer to your question seems more possibly of yes than an intractable impossible no. :lol:

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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: The Blind Ass] * 2
    #28626765 - 01/19/24 05:45 AM (9 days, 8 hours ago)

I think that you got a very good dosage 8-12 hours ago !


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Freedom] * 3
    #28626985 - 01/19/24 10:11 AM (9 days, 3 hours ago)

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Quote:

redgreenvines said:
well here we are





this is why anything seems possible to me

The existence of a single pixel or photon of light is as absurd and unexplainable as magic, as the flat earth theory or anything





Quote:

sudly said:
Do you think that makes you an extra happy person?





not a happy happy joy joy kind of happy.

its like before all thoughts and belief systems, before all the ideas which create meaning and purpose, everything is innately amazing. that probably just sounds like another idea, and of course with these word squiggles it is. but when I just look there is a mind blowing miracle

and it includes being alive. its like say you died and then someone resurrected you. my god that would be amazing.

that's already what its like to be alive. its already that kind of a miracle.

its like unconditional wonder. or wonder in reponse to any and every thing. like that beatles song, "Because the sky is blue it makes me cry..."



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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Freedom] * 1
    #28627078 - 01/19/24 11:17 AM (9 days, 2 hours ago)

because
ahhhhhhhh

bluuuuuuu

etc.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: clam_dude]
    #28627197 - 01/19/24 12:59 PM (9 days, 47 minutes ago)

I am God. :hehehe:

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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Pinkerton] * 1
    #28627318 - 01/19/24 02:27 PM (8 days, 23 hours ago)

I Ahtheistically object :hehehe:


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28627363 - 01/19/24 03:01 PM (8 days, 22 hours ago)

Care to elaborate what that means?


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28627463 - 01/19/24 04:31 PM (8 days, 21 hours ago)

nope


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28627495 - 01/19/24 05:01 PM (8 days, 20 hours ago)

I find this thread interesting because on multiple occasions I have heard the Voice of God and sometimes had full back and forth conversations with God. All times with multiple miracles proving to me that I was indeed hearing from God. When I say God I am meaning the God of the Bible, as defined and revealed by God and not some denomination. The more I get to know God the more awesome I realize Him to be. Beyond and better than anyone has thought or imagined. I have also physically seen demons and even heard them. As I am sure there are those on here that have seen them too, but for different reasons because of their religion. And I have gone through a lot of the struggles with questions and doubts that I have seen a lot of people have posted, from the parts of this thread I have read. It breaks my heart because I have no power to reveal God to anyone in a way that they will believe. I don't know how. All of the Bible is true. World English Bible is a nice one to read. Jesus is real. The Gospel is true. And God does love you all.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: seagu]
    #28627528 - 01/19/24 05:24 PM (8 days, 20 hours ago)

How can the Christian god exist alongside the Hindu gods, the Greek gods, the Aztec gods, the Muslim god, etc?  They have different after-lifes and stuff, right?


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #28627560 - 01/19/24 05:53 PM (8 days, 19 hours ago)

many flavours :shrug:


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28628049 - 01/20/24 02:01 AM (8 days, 11 hours ago)

"A God that never interferes is indistinguishable from a God that doesn’t exist." -Kali


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28628076 - 01/20/24 03:28 AM (8 days, 10 hours ago)

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nope



Then what is the point of communication?


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28628127 - 01/20/24 05:39 AM (8 days, 8 hours ago)

communication which exchanges valuable information about the shared experience or  environment is the point.
repetitive declarations dissappear into the background.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #28628190 - 01/20/24 06:58 AM (8 days, 6 hours ago)

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How can the Christian god exist alongside the Hindu gods, the Greek gods, the Aztec gods, the Muslim god, etc?  They have different after-lifes and stuff, right?





There are many elohim(gods). There is only One Elohim(God) that is All Powerful, All Knowing, Present Everywhere at all times, Who Created everything, Who loves us so much that He became a man to die for us to restore us back to Him(Do not most of us go away from Him?) and show us the Way to Life. And Talking with Him is part and parcel of the Christian life.


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