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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: clam_dude] 1
#28606794 - 01/02/24 08:42 AM (26 days, 5 hours ago) |
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Peopleschoice said: he DOESN'T need to provide evidence that god doesn't exist because it is not the correct way of thinking about it and it is on the believer to prove that he DOES exist.
IMO that is also incorrect.
It is up to the claimant to prove their claim.
If one claims God doesn't exist, then they need to provide the evidence for the claim to be meaningful and the same is true for those who claim God does exist.
It isn't a court case where one side must prove their case more than the other, in terms of science any claim must be supported. That's how it works.
Otherwise the claim is untenable.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Freedom] 2
#28606849 - 01/02/24 09:56 AM (26 days, 3 hours ago) |
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I usually go mental when trying to imagine something that space fits in, or how space even exists, but the old yin yang loop saves my imagination, until I ask "why?"
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: clam_dude] 1
#28606855 - 01/02/24 10:01 AM (26 days, 3 hours ago) |
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No person who having not seen pink elephants should be concerned or preoccupied with the question of their existence or a lack thereof.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#28606894 - 01/02/24 10:38 AM (26 days, 3 hours ago) |
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redgreenvines said: I usually go mental when trying to imagine something that space fits in, or how space even exists, but the old yin yang loop saves my imagination, until I ask "why?"
When I reach the conceptual edge of space, or space without bound, I also reach the edge or end of thought
it can't comprehend and stops in what i like to call, 'the big whoa'. Its hard to believe I know what's going on after that
I think "Whoa" may be the deepest insight into reality
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Freedom]
#28606976 - 01/02/24 11:41 AM (26 days, 2 hours ago) |
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Freedom] 1
#28607964 - 01/03/24 04:11 AM (25 days, 9 hours ago) |
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hard yes to the almighty 'Whoa?!'.
that's the top shelf good stuff. 
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: The Blind Ass]
#28607971 - 01/03/24 04:21 AM (25 days, 9 hours ago) |
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Which is why in my opinion, God is the only rational position.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: blessed]
#28608015 - 01/03/24 05:55 AM (25 days, 7 hours ago) |
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K, but does ur god Woah?
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: The Blind Ass]
#28608029 - 01/03/24 06:27 AM (25 days, 7 hours ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: K, but does ur god Woah?
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Freedom]
#28608048 - 01/03/24 06:57 AM (25 days, 6 hours ago) |
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woah is not a rational position, it's an emotional response to stimuli converging with an elegant twist, like EUREKA.
god(s), on the other hand, is too almighty to inspire this emotion, although when people have the illusion that they have been chosen by god they may have an EUREKA like moment which never leads to anything good.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: clam_dude] 1
#28608055 - 01/03/24 07:03 AM (25 days, 6 hours ago) |
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No squirrels are called by God to save the others squirrels. It's the same with people I imagine.
If the world was created by a God, the agenda there is for people to just be themselves, same as with any creature. God can't require human spokespeople and be an all powerful being. That's like a supercomputer asking a sundial to be its screen.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Nillion]
#28608922 - 01/03/24 08:27 PM (24 days, 17 hours ago) |
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Nillion said: No squirrels are called by God to save the others squirrels. .
There's a reason Jesus is coming back a second time.
He's a once returner for a reason, dude. I mean, it couldn't be more obvious.
That reason being: He completely and utterly had forgotten about saving all the squirrel souls.. This time he'll be coming back to correct his mistake, and, the day you see thousands of them floating upwards unto the heavens, will be among the most nuttiest of all days for many a christian. 
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: The Blind Ass] 1
#28609077 - 01/04/24 03:14 AM (24 days, 10 hours ago) |
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Jesus is a grower not a shower.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: budmanman]
#28609154 - 01/04/24 06:35 AM (24 days, 7 hours ago) |
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: redgreenvines]
#28609176 - 01/04/24 07:00 AM (24 days, 6 hours ago) |
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redgreenvines said: seems fishy to me
Lol.
Two fish is the early symbol of Christianity.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: redgreenvines]
#28609494 - 01/04/24 01:44 PM (24 days, 2 minutes ago) |
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redgreenvines said: seems fishy to me
That was Mary's pussy
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: budmanman]
#28610735 - 01/05/24 03:59 PM (22 days, 21 hours ago) |
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As per told in the story of the 'Good (conglomerated assortment of selected) Book(s)'
The author writes of Jesus as a fisher of fishermen?
Although that might not explain all of the fishiness, story-wise, if you put yourself in the book, from the author's perspective, only as a phantom with an acute nose, or something, idk where I'm going with this.
TLDR:
stinky fishy men stinking it up with fishy wishes. plus maybe some actual fishing at some point, too.
Alright, I'm done. I'm not sorry but I'll leave the hooked believer fishing for something that very more likely than not won't becoming again.
Not unless the Vatican pulls some tricks and has a mass cloning program at work and somehow snags a Jesus of the 'walking on water' variety - out of the heap of genetic material wrangled through by those wizardly garbed men.
Btw, I forgot the title of it; however, IIRC, there is some movie or series where something akin to the aforementioned occurs...but it isn't the vatican, rather it was their in-movie antagonist devil worshiping enemies. Altogether it wasn't great, some knee & face slapping may have occurred, other than that - it might be better left forgotten. 
And before you think of thinking about it, RGV - just no.
It was not the epi of ST's TNG with the 'Kahless clone'.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: clam_dude]
#28610876 - 01/05/24 06:26 PM (22 days, 19 hours ago) |
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As far as Jesus being a fisher of men, he was a babtized Mandaean, which in that religion isn't a membership thing so much as a clergy thing. He became a priest in the group and so was called a Nazarene.
Anyway, the teachings from that community regarding fishing of souls still remains.
Check the Mandaean Book of Saint John section called The Soul Fisher.
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36. A fisher am I, a fisher chosen among fishers! A fisher am I, chosen among fishers, and the head of all trappers. I know the marshes, I recognize their inner trails and mounds. I recognize the netting spots and marshes, and enter all the traps, 5 traversing the marsh in darkness, my ship does not cut [them] and I am not caught.
It goes on and on like this.
Eventually it gets to stuff like this:
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“You scum-sucking fishermen! I am not a helper to those who catch fish, and I was not called forth to be someone who eats scum! I am a fisher of the souls who bear witness to Life. I am a fisher who summons the poor, gathers them together, and gives them hope,
The snippets of this material in the NT, from the logoi of Jesus, have origin in Mandaean teachings.
http://www.gnosis.org/library/The_Mandaean_Book_of_John_Open_Access_Ve.pdf
It's some fun trivia regarding historical Jesus, anyway.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Nillion] 2
#28610910 - 01/05/24 07:10 PM (22 days, 18 hours ago) |
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Atheism is for muggles.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Nillion]
#28615363 - 01/09/24 02:47 PM (18 days, 22 hours ago) |
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I see how you could say that.
But hear me out.
I am not exactly saying "god doesn't exist" like I would say an apple doesn't exist and attempt to make that proof. I am saying, god is nothing, so therefore I can't prove nothing and it is on the person who is trying to prove that something exist to prove that indeed something does exist.
Nothing can't prove nothing. Something can prove something.
For further detail, nobody can go about proving this nothingness, it doesn't have to be god, you can substitute in a new fruit that I just created called "Geluk".
Now "Geluk" does not exist. But how can I prove to you that "Geluk" doesn't exist. Or exist for that matter. I can't because it doesn't exist, it is nothing but a figment of my imagination.
- Could I share that figment with others and write stories that last centuries? Yes. Ex: All religions. Specifically look to greek gods, just stories shared about fake warriors. Ever wonder why that is laughed at but one god isn't? They are both as fake, but as a majority european decendant country (america) Christianity is a cultural pillar.
- Could I relate this imaginary fruit to other fruit related ideas to make it seem more believable, such as having seeds and being sweet? Yes. Ex: Christian philosophers reading and studying aristotle, plato, and other greek philosophers and building off their ideas with a christianity "god" spin.
So if god is real then something should be able to prove him. Is it not then just centuries of hearsay and cultural morphing of our brains when we grow up to think that god exist. There is nothing to back up the proof that god exist, besides other "noble minds" who have written about this "god" in books such as the bible.
We don't actually have proof of anything. So therefore why should I believe that god is "guilty" (to use OP's language) of existing when there is no evidence being presented. Therefore I find god "not guilty" of existing and sentence him to nothingness.
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