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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Icelander]
    #20745826 - 10/24/14 01:09 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Atheism is in fact the most rational position.  There is no way around this.  When atheism is understood without the bogus attributes pinned on it by theists, and when reality is correctly understood without the fetters of wishful thinking and motivated reasoning, it becomes clear that atheism is the only rational position when it comes to our approach to reality.  We know this is true because theism has--by every conceivable measure--proven itself totally inadequate as a rational approach to reality.

Nothing further needs to be said about that.  That is the final word on this subject, because it describes reality as it actually is regardless of my opinion or your opinion. People are certainly free to look at the irrational positions of theism and theistic traditions, and they are entirely free to investigate those avenues so long as their beliefs don't cause them to lose touch with reality and become dangerous to themselves and others, but this freedom does not qualify such theistic positions as being on equal rational footing with atheism.  They are not on equal footing.  Atheism is rational, while theism simply is not.



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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Ped] * 1
    #20745874 - 10/24/14 01:51 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I see no need for an intelligent creator, but can neither prove nor disprove the existence of one, nor do I care to. Evolution, however, I can thoroughly defend that one.
No matter which way you believe it came to be, nature is grand and beautiful. If you believe God made it all in one week 6,000 years ago, you are giving him far too little credit for all the time and hard work he put into your creation. You should be ashamed of your creationist leaders for their narrow veiwpoints.


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The Hell Creek formation is a gigantic slab of rocks that covers several western states. It contains an account of the dinosaurs' demise.  In the late Cretaceous period, the first Cannabis species appear, and soon after, all the non-bird dinosaurs disappeared. Obviously, marihuana killed the dinosaurs. That giant meteor that smacked the yucatan peninsula right afterwards, coincidence.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Rockhound]
    #20745901 - 10/24/14 02:15 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Ped]
    #20880319 - 11/23/14 05:27 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

To state that an undefinable unperceivable entity either does or does not exist, is a faith based argument, there is no argument either to the affirmative or to the contrary based in logic.

I am neither sure there is, or sure there isn't an ice cream stand on jupiter, a flying spaghetti monster in the sky, or a purpose to trying to explain reason to a person who rejects faith with a faith based argument (i.e. an atheist).


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #20880661 - 11/23/14 06:28 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

So all possibilities are equal for you?  Evolution vs all life created by the tooth fairy. Same same?


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Icelander]
    #20880679 - 11/23/14 06:32 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Bad example, there is evidence of evolution, there is no evidence in favour of or disagreeing with there being a deity or deities.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #20880763 - 11/23/14 06:46 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Atheists don't really do that do they? The don't know if there are gods or not.  However they don't believe in them due to lack of evidence.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Icelander]
    #20881363 - 11/23/14 09:04 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Atheists don't really do that do they?




In my experience, most say that there is no god, they think what that is what it means to be an Atheist, so from experience this is how I perceive most Athiests. The definition defended in this thread that an Atheist is someone who believes that there is no evidence for God, would have to include many Theists, because it for sure includes most of the Theists, in my experience.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: falcon] * 2
    #20881506 - 11/23/14 09:29 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Not from what I've seen on these boards. :shrug:


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Icelander]
    #20881715 - 11/23/14 10:13 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

i don't think anyone ever believed in Gods, and they all just thought they did; but when it mattered, they lived by their own base drive anyways. :shrug: religion is simply the study of God. a prediction of the certain sequential benefits and detriments of humanity circa 10,000-20,000 BC.

Atheism asserts a good purport. but most atheists take their views too strong, at lengths as any religious person does, as well. Atheism often posits that there can be no other way then such and such and reason is all important, but they can never abstain from pertaining to absolutes (a fallacy) themselves, AGAIN, like religionists, dividing their views between their "beliefs" and their "true thoughts" and actions. and also, not to mention, they believe that logic is infallible. i posit they talk to logician, themselves. logic is incredibly fallible, and to know the ins and outs of rhetoric simply leads to the conclusion that there is no absolutes (save the philosophical God [Nietzsche proclaimed he was dead, remember?]), and that the logic that is right, is simply the logic of the stronger mind.

thus, i call myself a humanist. that's all.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: akira_akuma]
    #20885561 - 11/24/14 08:00 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Well all atheism means by definition is that you don't specifically believe in god, it's not a negative proclamation.

That being said the atheists you encounter online are generally of the militant variety, no better than evangelistic christians in their practice of raping you with bullshit faith based beliefs.

And if you do make a negative proclamation to the existence of god, it is a faith based belief, no one knows the answer with certainty.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: SeaShrooms] * 1
    #20885660 - 11/24/14 08:19 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

correct. that is what i mean by Dogma. some Atheist refuse to listen to reason. like as if... if everyone were to follow it, they'd suddenly become "less wrong" somehow about everything. :rolleyes: i hate militant Atheists.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: akira_akuma]
    #20886397 - 11/24/14 10:21 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Militant atheism is an attribute of what I call intellectual hipsters, people who regurgitate other's ideas, to pretend they think for themselves.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #20910853 - 12/01/14 02:14 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Militant atheists are circlejerkers. Born-again atheists are religious. Online atheists are all about screaming in their echo chamber. Online atheists are keyboard warriors. Atheists are destroying America. Atheists are just as conformist as theists. Atheism is hipsterism.

Well, we got it years ago: it's more hipster to be an anti-atheist atheist.

We got it already when people began writing down their thoughts thousands of years ago: the masses are petty and when they touch anything it turns from gold to shit.

Yet a world without religion and instead a majority of niggling, keyboard warrior atheists memeing on about popular epistemology would be an improvement from where humans are at today.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Lakefingers]
    #20910919 - 12/01/14 03:09 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

yeah, lets set the fucking bar low. great fucking plan.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: akira_akuma]
    #20910936 - 12/01/14 03:28 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Raising the bar a little is better than not raising it at all. Improvements in the world need not correspond to your expectation of an ideal world.

Also, I never presented a plan, so that's greatly immaterial.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Lakefingers]
    #20910945 - 12/01/14 03:37 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

what is it about religion that is so bad anyways?

monasticism? the history? is it the history? lot of things evil have been done in history from all fronts. godless people once and still do, slaughter innocently; at least innocent in their towers.

still? why is religion so specifically important to label as an enemy?


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: akira_akuma]
    #20911014 - 12/01/14 05:05 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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what is it about religion that is so bad anyways?

monasticism? the history? is it the history? lot of things evil have been done in history from all fronts. godless people once and still do, slaughter innocently; at least innocent in their towers.

still? why is religion so specifically important to label as an enemy?



as I understand it is patriarchal religion which is a toxic form of thinking and when the believers in it move 'away' from it without understanding what it was (mindcontrol) they moved away from, it continues to affect their thinking and actions unconsciously. I will give a very important example

In  patriarchal religious and philosophical thinking, 'darkness' is associated with evil, and/or inferiority in contrast to 'light' which is thought to be good, pure, superior. OK, so then they move away from all that 'superstitious religious age' and embrace the 'age of reason and science'. BUT then what they do is --using 'science-- unconsciously see people who are 'dark' skinned as being....? Yip, inferior, and often demonic!! And they will use this thinking to justify all forms of exploitation including genocide. This is all revealed here in this must-see video, Though it doesn't go into the patriarchal religious and philosophical roots of this, it is surely implied for those who dig this:

Scientific Racism The Eugenics of Social Darwinism



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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: zzripz]
    #20911118 - 12/01/14 06:42 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

yeah but those people are stupid. this is my reason for positing that, let me explain.

first, i ask, do you know why people close their hands, together, when they pray? most people don't.

i'll tell you, why you are partially correct for having your suspicions of dubious piety; because you're right, alot of people move away from and have no idea what they are ideally worshipping.

people close their hands in prayer, because they are praying; but more importantly, what are they doing in prayer? what is prayer, hypothetically speaking? it is contemplation. now what are they doing when one prays and contemplates with their hands closed? mostly over their hearts, sometimes their forehead, presiding the brain... what they are doing is giving their thoughts into nothingness. that's what.

when someone closes their hands in prayer they are protecting the light in the darkness, because that is where light is found; out of nothing, is. they are presiding in and contemplating the essence of the darkness, presiding the light, in one's mind. but one usually does not know this. one usually will assume that the light is good and darkness evil, but this is a mistake.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: akira_akuma]
    #20911299 - 12/01/14 07:57 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Interesting


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