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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: clam_dude]
    #18544005 - 07/11/13 01:14 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

My gf was flat before the augmentation. :boobs:


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Diploid]
    #18544225 - 07/11/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

No matter what you claim to be true there everyone will smile, hold your hand, and sing Kumbaya.

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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18544421 - 07/11/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Don't give Diploid credit. I was the first to call it the Kumbaya forum and I want that noted in Wikipedia.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18544493 - 07/11/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Don't give Diploid credit. I was the first to call it the Kumbaya forum and I want that noted in Wikipedia.




We are just supposed to take your word for it?


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18544520 - 07/11/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

As long as I get credit for stoopid. :razz:


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Diploid]
    #18544580 - 07/11/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

:doingmediocre:


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Diploid]
    #18544582 - 07/11/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I addressed these questions myself. But I never get any useful reply.

While I'm at it, let me address this. I'm not sure it's true, but let's say that it is for a moment.

The problem here may well be due to the fact that you are exhaustingly long-winded. You can't seem to condense anything into a few paragraphs. This thread is littered with multiple one-after-the-other walls-o-text you write. No one (at least not me) is going to parse through all that crap to find your questions.

More often than not I skip your posts, sorry. I'm not prepared to spend 20 minutes reading each of your replies. You say in 20 paragraphs what could have been said in one. I'm here for fun, and parsing walls-o-text is not fun.

Brevity is good. You'll probably get more mileage with it. Just some friendly advice. Take it or leave it. :ohwell:




Yeah, when you start a 1000 word post with an all out assertion that the earth was at one time flat, simply because people thought it was flat, it seems rather pointless to keep reading.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Diploid] * 1
    #18545325 - 07/11/13 06:36 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Diploid said:
I addressed these questions myself. But I never get any useful reply.

While I'm at it, let me address this. I'm not sure it's true, but let's say that it is for a moment.

The problem here may well be due to the fact that you are exhaustingly long-winded. You can't seem to condense anything into a few paragraphs. This thread is littered with multiple one-after-the-other walls-o-text you write. No one (at least not me) is going to parse through all that crap to find your questions.

More often than not I skip your posts, sorry. I'm not prepared to spend 20 minutes reading each of your replies. You say in 20 paragraphs what could have been said in one. I'm here for fun, and parsing walls-o-text is not fun.

Brevity is good. You'll probably get more mileage with it. Just some friendly advice. Take it or leave it. :ohwell:




Usually if it can't be said in a couple of sentences or a small paragraph it's likely horse shit imo. :poop:


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Diploid]
    #18545821 - 07/11/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Diploid said:
As long as I get credit for stoopid. :razz:




GabbaDJ: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/449923#449923

First use of 'stoopidity' on PSP. :sorry:


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18546000 - 07/11/13 09:14 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

No way! I thought I was first.

/me quietly deletes GabbaDJ post. :snub:


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Vaipen]
    #18547014 - 07/12/13 01:58 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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So I am not pushing anything. Yet I povide the Third Perspective. I am that what makes a triangle of a dual system. I provide that point in the centre between to opposites that when you drag it upwards, creates 2 extra lines from either opposite point.  It is my very nature, the nature of my being. And it took me decades to come to this point and I can only joyfully wait to see what my consciousness is capable of doing with this in the coming decades.

I feel sad for people who are prone to dual thinking. For you the world is either theist or atheist and everyone must be on that scale. You cannot even comprehend someone like me exists that doesn't fall inside that limited view.





First of all the world is not theist or atheist. People are.




The world is what people think it is.

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And it is simply illogical to have something in between Belief and non-belief. Try finding a middle before that.




I am not in the middle. When I said that I meant to invoke a mental picture, a point out from which arises the triangular shape.

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You will most definitely come up with something that has nothing to do with it and refers to a different scale. Others have already tried with knowledge.




Well that was the point. Coming up with a totally different frame of reference.

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Belief is not knowledge




How so?

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Someone else tried that witch example where she blocks out pain and thus isn't burning which is irrelevant her body is still burning.




Yes that was me, doh. And I gave a line of reasoning that was flawless.

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Someone else argued the Berkeley stance that if a tree falls it makes no sound if no one is around to hear it.

That argument crumples onto itself by the fact that the example betrays it's own stance that a tree does even exist in the first place without anyone to witness it and no one still to witness the it falling.




You finally get the boy in The Matrix then! Congratulations. There is no sppon, there is no tree. You just discovered why I just wrote: "The world is what people think it is." You doscovere fthe nature of reality.

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Compound that with the fact that this planet developed billions of years before the first modern human. How did all those actions take place before?




Who said they did? If the nature of reality is that what we perceive to be reality, then we can with retrospective force, plot out a complete, logical and persistent past. But I won't haunt you with that. That would make most people uncomfortable. That would mean you float in some non-existing emptiness dreaming up the world and the properties that it has, its persistence and reliability, its cohesion are in fact just part of the dream.

That would be solipsism and that is a no-go area :-) People, not even philosophers dare to go there much, if they address it, they poke it with a long stick and dismiss it as some idealistic unprovable notion. But I go there, I live there. That is my home.

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I'm just waiting for a Flat Earth person to show up next.




Don't you know that the Earth was flat? It was. At some point the flat Earth changed after the consensus was changed and then when reality fluxed into a new state, one where the Earth was a sphere, the discrepancies were smoothed out by our need for time and space to be predictable. But the Earth was flat. EVERYBODY knew THAT! Look at ancient maps, 'there be monsters'. People KNEW! They had no dount or a reason to dount it. And even bore these people, it was a knowns fact the world was a sphere. The ancient Greeks knew! And they knew for sure!

Look at some ancient maps. The Piri Reis map and the FInnaeaus maps show signs of people working with longtitudes, where we are supposed to believe that the longtitude measurement needed in sailing was invented after 1780 or so? These map re copies of ancient maps, maybe belonging to a civilization existing far before the ancient Greeks and Egyptians and Sumerians. They sailed the sea and discovered Antarctica and mapped its coastline and interior. Which is now under a mile of ice. And the last time it was icefree was over 12.000 years ago.

So my point is that the Earth started as an unknown, then these ancients mapped it and found the longitude system and the Earth became a sphere, that civilization died out and we get the rise of the Sumerians and Greeks and Egyptians and a few of them know, but their civilizations collpased into the Dark Ages and the Earth became flat. And then finally explorers figured it out and the Earth became a sphere again. And each time the consensus flipped over into a new paradigm. And history immediately was altered into our minds, that the world has always been a sphere. But it wasn't.

We are so sure the Earth is a sphere nowadays. But who knows what new knowledge will appear? We now already know that matter is like over 90% nothing. It is amazing I am not falling through my chair, indeed, fall through the world, shift molecules between each other, like Kitty Pryde in the X-Men comics.

There are forces there that prevent that, but the world as we see it is basically 90% nothing. A sphere of 90% nothing, is that still considerable as a sphere? Or does that property become rather irrelevant? And then there is quantum physics. And once you drag that out all bets are off as to what reality is actually made of. And before you know it you are not in physics but dealing with MAchine Elves for my part.

The world is a sphere? Don't make me laugh. Only in our current paradigm we see it that way. Never tell me that people who believe the Earth is flat are loonies. They are people who intuit the true nature of reality by taking an example of reasoning and holding it up as some idol to be worshiped. They are failing solipsists. But they are 50% ahead of the masses.

When I go under into the psychedelic trance, the world, to me, is not ever a sphere. The realities I see never seem to be around form or predictable shapes.

And so the whole idea to make final statements about god or scales of theism versus atheism and all that is really silly. They are an attempt to come to a line of reasoning that shapes the world along predictable outlines to give us a psychological baseline or foundation lest we fall prone to randomness and unpredictability: we want to open the box with Schrödinger cat, but the fact is, like you said, there is no box, there is no cat and the world is flat.





I'm not kidding at all when I say that if you really think that way then ANYONE in the world can fool you on anything. If someone really wanted to they can do the most harmful things to you and you wouldn't even have the mental capability to retaliate. THAT is not an insult, because if you really present yourself and your way of thinking this way then there is literally nothing but laws that can protect you.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18776254 - 08/30/13 06:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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My gf was flat before the augmentation. :boobs:




:laugh:


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: clam_dude] * 1
    #19237567 - 12/06/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The only rational position is hedonism

Boom


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: purelycontradictin] * 2
    #19237706 - 12/06/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The only rational position is to not bring back to life threads that took way too long to die.  :crankey:


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: White Beard] * 1
    #19237759 - 12/06/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You're not helping :awedancexmas:


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: purelycontradictin]
    #19238257 - 12/06/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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purelycontradictin said:
The only rational position is hedonism

Boom





A boom of pure contradiction.

No Ism can possibly be a rational. An ism is defined as a predetermined bias. The only rational position is a dynamic position. Each situation is unique. The crystallization of category and archetype, as well as the infection of isms keep the individual groping in the dark. The transition out of flotsam and jetsam requires attention, focus, work.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19240217 - 12/07/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ah, pragmatism?, empiricism? lol


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: falcon]
    #19240277 - 12/07/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the only rational position is that we don't know shit


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: topdog82]
    #19240442 - 12/07/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I disagree and since you think you don't know anything, you have no basis for not agreeing with me. :cheers:


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: topdog82]
    #19240780 - 12/07/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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topdog82 said:
the only rational position is that we don't know shit



:whathesaid:

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