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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Mr Person]
#17784855 - 02/11/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Any ultimate conclusion about the existence or non existence of god as defined in a general sense, rather than secular, is irrational.
Only a moron would argue with -1 or 1. It's a false dichotomy.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#17784986 - 02/11/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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There is a likelyhood or degree of certainty, that one is correct, and that likelyhood is determined by all the known facts and limited by the missing facts.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#17785032 - 02/11/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Depends how you define god, controlling of humans or allowing for free-will through decisions?
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: clam_dude]
#17785039 - 02/11/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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teknix said: Any ultimate conclusion about the existence or non existence of god as defined in a general sense, rather than secular, is irrational.
Only a moron would argue with -1 or 1. It's a false dichotomy.
Teknix, you don't make yourself easy to understand.
What does it mean - a general sense, rather then a secular one?
It means looking at the big picture and realizing you can't even define god rather than accepting the varying interpretations of god through religion, rituals, magic, etc.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#17785081 - 02/11/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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To a Christian that position would be atheist, to me it's just due to ignorance, or lack there-of.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#17785134 - 02/11/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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To be a 1 or -1 all data has to be present. ALL OF IT.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#17785158 - 02/11/13 06:57 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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You couldn't unless you were able to define god.
Look; the less data you have the less certain the conclusion becomes.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: teknix]
#17785209 - 02/11/13 07:05 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Your fallacy is this;
Fallacy of composition - assumes what is true of the parts is true of the whole. This fallacy is also known as "arguing from the specific to the general" Since Judy is so diligent in the workplace, this entire company must have an amazing work ethic.
"Since this definition of god is shown to be false then god must be false"
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#17785222 - 02/11/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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teknix said: You couldn't unless you were able to define god.
Look; the less data you have the less certain the conclusion becomes.
How do you know HOW MUCH data THERE IS, in the first place???
Exactly, until everything is unified or correlates, we can't make any absolute conclusions about anything absolute.
That's why the "Big Bang" is a theory, it seems most likely, not certain.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: clam_dude]
#17785262 - 02/11/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Define GOD, before you decide does it exist.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: teknix]
#17785274 - 02/11/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Give god a definition you would find acceptable. Then tell me it doesn't exist and I'll call you a hypocrit.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: lessismore]
#17785321 - 02/11/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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mio said: A theory is a theory once it has been scientifically proven
No, A theory had independent lines of evidence in consilience pointing towards it, it is not proven. That's how and why science evolves.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: clam_dude]
#17785334 - 02/11/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm trying to make it simple for you.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: clam_dude]
#17785414 - 02/11/13 07:38 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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sry, i was tryin speak tard for ya's.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#17785576 - 02/11/13 08:04 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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teknix said: You couldn't unless you were able to define god.
Look; the less data you have the less certain the conclusion becomes.
How do you know HOW MUCH data THERE IS, in the first place???
Exactly, until everything is unified or correlates, we can't make any absolute conclusions about anything absolute.
That's why the "Big Bang" is a theory, it seems most likely, not certain.
No buddy, you don't understand.
Scientists don't mean LITERALLY that there is a chance that big bang theory is correct.
They mean that the evidence points to it being correct.
When a scientists says that there is a chance that something is correct, its another way of saying that there is 'evidence' for it.
There is evidence pointing at it from independent experiments, you can't test the actual Big Bang, how absurd.
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WHAT DATA DO WE NEED TO KNOW BEFORE WE CAN BE CERTAIN THAT GOD DOESN'T EXIST?
A unifying theory of everything.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: clam_dude]
#17785717 - 02/11/13 08:26 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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clam_dude said: A baby is an atheist until it is indoctrinated by it's parents. Just because the baby is not aware of what an atheist is, does not mean that it can't be an atheist. A baby also does not know that it is a baby, or that it's american, or whatever. If it doesn't believe in god, it's an atheist.
A baby isn't an athiest, it hasn't decided anything. A baby is in ignorance, the same as agnosticism. Agnosticism is more admittedly so unassuming.
Horrible analogy.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: clam_dude]
#17785803 - 02/11/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Atheism is closer related to a right, or what you claim of yourself for yourself, or a label you choose to take on.
Babys don't have a voice to make a claim.
So does a baby have rights? How?
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: GilbertC06]
#17785822 - 02/11/13 08:44 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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They don't have rights, but their parents/gaurdians do.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: clam_dude]
#17785858 - 02/11/13 08:50 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Atheism is like a -1 on a scale of -1 to 1. Agnosticism would be anything between -1 and 1, and 1 would be certainty of god.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: clam_dude]
#17785884 - 02/11/13 08:55 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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teknix said: Atheism is like a -1 on a scale of -1 to 1. Agnosticism would be anything between -1 and 1, and 1 would be certainty of god.
If this is the case then science would be statistically agnostic.
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