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OfflineAlphaFalfa
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: teknix]
    #17784961 - 02/11/13 06:27 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Any ultimate conclusion about the existence or non existence of god as defined in a general sense, rather than secular, is irrational.

Only a moron would argue with -1 or 1. It's a false dichotomy.




:lol:

Thats absurd.

Say I asked to 'disprove' the existence of a being who you could not 'disprove' the existence of....

How would you approach that?


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #17785021 - 02/11/13 06:37 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Secondly, even if this god exists his existence is irrelevant to our existence because you could not attribute any one thing to him which he may or may not want us to do/think/feel.

Ultimately, it makes no difference if this type of god exists.

The only god that we should care about existing, is a benevolent or malevolent one.

Other than that it is free reign for human morality or a lack thereof.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: teknix]
    #17785123 - 02/11/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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There is a likelyhood or degree of certainty, that one is correct, and that likelyhood is determined by all the known facts and limited by the missing facts.





That's foolish.

You will never know what you cannot possibly know.

A guy who doesn't speak English and will never be able to speak english will never be able to know what a book written in english will say.

So your telling him that he can never be certain about anything because he hasn't read that book????

Cmon'

Stop being a fatalist and answer the tough questions, climb the highest peak possible, transverse the path to the fullest, even if you aren't certain you will ever....

As the saying goes;

DO THE BEST YOU CAN WITH THE MOST YOU HAVE.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: teknix]
    #17785147 - 02/11/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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To be a 1 or -1  all data has to be present. ALL OF IT.





:thumbdown:

If I told you god likes to eat peanut butter and banana sandwiches, what sort of data would you need to prove and/or disprove this?


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: teknix]
    #17785202 - 02/11/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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You couldn't unless you were able to define god.

Look; the less data you have the less certain the conclusion becomes.





How do you know HOW MUCH data THERE IS, in the first place???


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: teknix]
    #17785545 - 02/11/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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AlphaFalfa said:
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You couldn't unless you were able to define god.

Look; the less data you have the less certain the conclusion becomes.





How do you know HOW MUCH data THERE IS, in the first place???




Exactly, until everything is unified or correlates, we can't make any absolute conclusions about anything absolute.

That's why the "Big Bang" is a theory, it seems most likely, not certain.




No buddy, you don't understand.

Scientists don't mean LITERALLY that there is a chance that big bang theory is correct.

They mean that the evidence points to it being correct.

When a scientists says that there is a chance that something is correct, its another way of saying that there is 'evidence' for it.

That given what we know to be true, we hold that big bang theory is an accurate description of the universe.

We don't know for sure because there are obscurities which we cannot measure with our instruments right now.

:lol:

Now that this is out of the way, please, answer me;

WHAT DATA DO WE NEED TO KNOW BEFORE WE CAN BE CERTAIN THAT GOD DOESN'T EXIST?


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #17796818 - 02/13/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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I spoke wrongly, but that actually makes my point more clear: disbelief in God is required to be an atheist; lack of belief is not.  A lack of evidence for the existence of 3 is, to fix the analogy, similarly not sufficient to be an athree-ist, since that would require disbelief.





I don't think I responded well enough to this last time.  You can't compare 3 to "god." That is a category error.  3 is a concept.  Here it's appropriate to say that, as I explained with "peace." So if you want to say that "god," too, is just a concept, then fine.  But then it's not a physical entity.  If you want a more accurate analogy, just take the tooth fairy (defined for this purpose as a physical entity). 

Do you believe in the tooth fairy?  If not, would you call yourself an a-toothfairyest?  I would. 

If you think god is a physical entity, then compare it to a physical entity
If you think god is a concept, then compare it to a concept.

But you can't have it both ways.




Regardless of your personal definition of what a concept is, the analogy still holds.  I don't believe in [some primitive culture's boogeyman that I've never heard of], but that doesn't make me an a-[some primitive culture's boogeyman that I've never heard of]-ist.  And I've never believed in the existence of [some number I've never thought about], but that doesn't make me an a-[some number I've never thought about]-ist. 

I am an a-toothfairy-ist, and that is because I actively deny the existence of the tooth fairy.  People in Finland that have never heard of the tooth fairy are not a-toothfairy-ists.  Active disbelief is required to be an atheist, regardless of whether or not you think God is a concept or a physical being or both.





Gods MOM is a physical being.

BITCH WHAT!!!


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