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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: clam_dude]
    #17780751 - 02/10/13 11:01 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I disagree.

The human mind does incredible things with belief.
The placebo effect is a perfect example of this.

If one puts their faith in a higher power or maybe a type of destiny so to speak...The individual's will is likely to be far more stronger than someone who thinks rationally/scientifically.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: clam_dude]
    #17780850 - 02/10/13 11:21 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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cez said:
I disagree.

The human mind does incredible things with belief.
The placebo effect is a perfect example of this.

If one puts their faith in a higher power or maybe a type of destiny so to speak...The individual's will is likely to be far more stronger than someone who thinks rationally/scientifically.




I never said that belief in "god" is not a useful thing.  Maybe it is.  But that's different form the question of weather or not god exists.





I don't understand how it's rational not to believe in a higher existence?
Why is a rational mind so important to you?

I think a lot of the brilliant minds in the world and of the past lean more towards an irrational mind.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: psychedelicchick]
    #17780859 - 02/10/13 11:22 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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psychedelicchick said:
"Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs."




Because someone believes in god they are unjustified?


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: psychedelicchick]
    #17780922 - 02/10/13 11:36 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Its unjustified when there is absolutely zero evidence.





I think there's plenty of evidence that details a "master builder" so to speak.
Anything I post regarding evidence can be picked apart-Doesn't make it untrue, except maybe to you:wink:

Because you can't see something doesn't mean there's nothing there.
A shark for example may not notice the existence of humans but obviously that doesn't mean we can't affect that shark.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: clam_dude]
    #17780944 - 02/10/13 11:41 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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cez said:

I don't understand how it's rational not to believe in a higher existence?
Why is a rational mind so important to you?

I think a lot of the brilliant minds in the world and of the past lean more towards an irrational mind.




There is no alternative to rationality.  There are subjective experiences - we might date someone for reasons that we can't quantify or rationalize.  But that's just because we don't understand the complexities of the human mind.  It's not "irrational" to date this person either. 

If irrationality is an alternative to rationality, then there is no point in talking about anything, ever. 

If I accept someone's statement that they don't use reason regarding god, then I must use reason to understand why this statement might lead to a belief in god.  you can't have it both ways.  You can't decide on a whim when not to use reason.





Of course you can.
You can use reason when picking a college major and you can decide on a whim where to go out to eat.

And if your saying "atheism is the only rational position," one can only infer the opposite being  "theism is an irrational position."


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: clam_dude]
    #17781196 - 02/11/13 12:40 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I think I've seen how this argument goes before..
And I don't think I've seen viewpoints change.


I politely bow out:shitdude:


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: something super extreme]
    #17781218 - 02/11/13 12:45 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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sVs said:
I certainly don't pray, if that's what you're getting at.
If I am afraid, something is wrong, and if something is wrong well... wasting time praying isn't doing any fucking good for anyone involved. Ain't nobody got time for that.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: clam_dude]
    #17781230 - 02/11/13 12:48 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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cez said:
I think I've seen how this argument goes before..
And I don't think I've seen viewpoints change.


I politely bow out:shitdude:




Viewpoints change all the time.  It's only when we stop challenging each other's beliefs that viewpoints don't change.





You seem grounded in your argument to the point were you just wanna have a big reply count.
I predict no words argued against you in this post is gonna shift your perspective.
Maybe in time life experiences will, but not this post.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: johnm214]
    #17781250 - 02/11/13 12:55 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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cez said:
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clam_dude said:
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cez said:
I think I've seen how this argument goes before..
And I don't think I've seen viewpoints change.


I politely bow out:shitdude:




Viewpoints change all the time.  It's only when we stop challenging each other's beliefs that viewpoints don't change.







You seem grounded in your argument to the point were you just wanna have a big reply count.
I predict no words argued against you in this post is gonna shift your perspective.
Maybe in time life experiences will, but not this post.





I thought you were leaving?

Either leave or argue, but please stop making a big show of stamping your feet in the doorway- nobody cares.

:boot:




Kinda like your opinion in this matter.
Message me when you convert op to a different belief.


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