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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: cez] * 1
    #17780932 - 02/10/13 11:38 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

This whole thread; :facepalm:




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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: clam_dude] * 2
    #17780992 - 02/10/13 11:52 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

It's only an imaginary friend if you're a child. If you're older, it's a mental disorder.
If you convince someone else your imaginary friend is real, it's religion!


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #17781198 - 02/11/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I certainly don't pray, if that's what you're getting at.
If I am afraid, something is wrong, and if something is wrong well... wasting time praying isn't doing any fucking good for anyone involved. Ain't nobody got time for that.

If I'm afraid, I pick apart why and what's causing it, and make the situation less daunting. If not, I accept there's nothing more I can do. And then I pee my pans.
I realise that ration thought process isn't for everyone, however.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: lessismore] * 2
    #17781275 - 02/11/13 01:12 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I've tripped plenty of times and I don't confuse chemically-induced euphoria for spiritual revelation.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: lessismore]
    #17781289 - 02/11/13 01:21 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

You make many baseless assumptions and provide no substantiation.
You'll certainly not be changing my opinion anytime soon.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #17788932 - 02/12/13 12:02 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

How does atheism actively encourage ennui and how did you reach this conclusion?


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: GilbertC06]
    #17789839 - 02/12/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

:downswords: everywhere.
Look what you've gone and done, OP.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #17791908 - 02/12/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

What is so sad or empty about atheism?


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: teknix] * 1
    #17791921 - 02/12/13 08:06 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Could you elaborate? I don't usually acknowledge empty rhetoric, sorry.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Ara16w]
    #17792012 - 02/12/13 08:22 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

:rofl:
More angry, empty rhetoric.
I asked none of those things, and while amusing, your tangents address none of my concerns.
Since this is turning far too circular, I'll let you folks have it from here.
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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #17792093 - 02/12/13 08:35 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I suspected as much, but I wasn't certain.
Thanks. :cheers:


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Ara16w]
    #17792191 - 02/12/13 08:55 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

The part that said "re: sVs".
Thanks for playing, smart guy.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: GilbertC06]
    #17908303 - 03/05/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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GilbertC06 said:
there is no evidence to prove that they exist, But the idea of them exists.



Did I fall asleep and wake up in an alternate dimension where ideas are considered evidence?
Didn't think so.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #17909303 - 03/05/13 06:00 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

The ontological argument put forth in Proslogion II is only remotely compelling if you're already part of the intended audience; a fool looking for a weak rationalisation of foolish beliefs. There is nothing written in Anselm's ontological argument to persuade those who hold a differing opinion. This is the first major intrinsic flaw in the argument.

The rest of us refer to this argument as reductio ad absurdum. Anselm's ontological argument is spoiled by the implicit assumption that existence is something predicated, which were you familiar with the writings of Immanuel Kant, you would have already known.

Then again, perhaps you're referring to some different ontological argument. There have been very many set forth over the years. It helps to be specific.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #17911021 - 03/05/13 11:38 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Platinga's ontological argument fails in the very first premise.
Premise one stating:

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Alvin Platinga said:
A being has maximal excellence in a given possible world W if and only if it is omnipotent, omniscient and wholly good in W





To possess both of these qualities is to exist in a state contrary to reason. If god is omniscient, then all outcomes are already known. This means that god cannot exercise omnipotence, as this would be contradictory to omniscience.
The premise then becomes invalid.

Platinga's argument also cannot be understood without a thorough understanding of modal logic. Without this understanding, the entire argument cannot be epistemologically fathomed, and fails. Should you possess the understanding of modal logic regarding axiom S5, the argument begs the question; the conclusion is stated within the premise. Moving along.

Immanuel Kant's deconstruction of Anselm's traditional ontological argument rests on Anselm's assumption that existence is predicated. However, ascribing existence to an object adds nothing to the nature of the object itself. To describe something as "existing" is to, in a sense, describe the world as possessing something matching the description of said object.

Assuming the assertion that existence is not a property something can possess is correct, then you cannot compare an omnipresent, omniscient god which exists to an omnipresent, omniscient god that does not exist. They are one in the same.

Anselm states that a god which exists is greater than a god which does not exist. Therefor, based on Kant's reasoning, the postulation that a god which exists is greater than a god which does not exist becomes false, as they are the same.

This has all been covered in less eloquent terms in the first eight-trillion pages of this thread and the others like it.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Diploid]
    #17913030 - 03/06/13 12:20 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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Diploid said:
Pólya's Walk.




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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: lessismore] * 1
    #17919912 - 03/07/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Who don't want to provide logic or reasoning to defend their position?
Well, frankly, their opinions don't really matter.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Diploid]
    #17920167 - 03/07/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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Diploid said:

When you reach the life experience I have acquired, you will realize that your point of view is meaningless and you will agree with me.




Or they won't, and they will live and die in delusion.
:shrug:

Not my problem.


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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: lessismore]
    #17920316 - 03/07/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Pretty much all of this basic rhetoric has been thoroughly deconstructed in the first billion pages of this thread.
Let's try not to go in circles for another billion.

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Re: Atheism is the only rational position [Re: Space Monkey]
    #17920379 - 03/07/13 05:41 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

My friend ate seven grams of mushrooms and saw god.
Guess what? There's still no god. More importantly, anecdotal evidence is still worthless.


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