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Rape law permits changing mind during sex act
    #1777049 - 08/04/03 12:07 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/07/30/rape.law.ap/index.html


Illinois law believed to be first of its kind in the country
Wednesday, July 30, 2003 Posted: 10:10 AM EDT (1410 GMT)




SPRINGFIELD, Illinois (AP) -- A new rape law in Illinois attempts to clarify the issue of consent by emphasizing that people can change their mind while having sex.

Under the law, if someone says "no" at any time the other person must stop or it becomes rape. The National Crime Victim Law Institute said it believed the law is the first of its kind in the country.

Lyn Schollett, general counsel for the Illinois Coalition Against Sexual Assault, said the law was important to make it clear to victims, offenders, prosecutors and juries that people have the right to halt sexual activity at any time.

"I think it will empower prosecutors in charging cases where the victim and the offender have a sexual history," she said.

But the director of the Victim Advocacy & Research Group in Boston said it would be hard to imagine courts not upholding a woman's right to withdraw consent.

"To me, it's demeaning," Wendy Murphy said. "It's like the old saying: 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it.' I don't think it was broke."

The law was inspired by a California case involving two 17-year-olds who had sex at a party. The girl changed her mind about having sex, but the boy did not stop immediately.

He was charged with rape, and it took years for the courts to decide that he could be found guilty under California law. The California Supreme Court ruled in January that a man can be convicted if a woman first consents but later asks him to stop.

Lawmakers said they wanted to avoid the same kind of long legal battle in Illinois. Gov. Rod Blagojevich signed the law Friday but did not announce it until Monday.

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I have some family in Illonois but I will never live there. Their gun laws are bad enough, but this is stupid!

Bitch: Officer, I changed my mind while I after I climaxed but he didn't stop can we put him in prison for 15 years?


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1777066 - 08/04/03 12:14 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I think the maximum penalty for that should be a small fine.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1777094 - 08/04/03 12:28 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

-----You don't see any women complaining about
making rape laws even worse.

Men: 'We are frightened of all of malicious/liberal
whores who will trick us into raping them and then
send us to prison and they will watch Mad About You
re-runs instead of scrubbing the floors, etc.'

Women: 'Seriously, you can't have sex with us if
we don't want you to. Just because we're fucking
stupid (or, say, drunk or you're a coercive asshole)
and we let you put your penis inside of us a little
bit and even move it around, doesn't mean we sacrifice
ownership of our own bodies. Get over yourselves.
There is no feminist conspiracy to send men to prison
for rapes that they didn't commit. Show us some
statistics or something more than, My cousin's
friend's nephew got it on with this bitch and then
the morning after she called the cops and said he
raped her.'

Men: 'Ehhh. We still run the world, you dumb bitches.'


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: bivalve]
    #1777242 - 08/04/03 01:45 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

still, there are many a dumb bitch, and you can't tell me this won't help a few of them with some grudges.

anyone see "the life of david gale"?


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Malachi]
    #1777252 - 08/04/03 01:49 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

this whole issue would be a lot less confusing if women didn't so often say 'no' and really mean 'yes'



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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1777271 - 08/04/03 01:59 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

This whole issue would be a lot less confusing if
men didn't rape women so often.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: bivalve]
    #1777308 - 08/04/03 02:43 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

both statements are true.... and noncontradictory...


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1777332 - 08/04/03 03:03 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

But, saying things like, "Women 'no' and really mean
'yes'" and, "This law won't work because women lie
too much" is meant to support a sexist idea. Neither
of those things really makes any sense. It would be
like saying, "Making stronger laws against shoplifting
would only encourage more store managers to bring false
charges against innocent shoppers!" (But you wouldn't
say that because you don't have the deep loathing and
mistrust of store managers that you do of women, right?)



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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: bivalve]
    #1777351 - 08/04/03 03:11 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

What if the woman just quietly mumbles "no" or says "aren't you done yet" If the guy keeps going is that rape, and how long should he go to jail?


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1777359 - 08/04/03 03:16 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

there a lesson here for us guys:

finish first and finish FAST!


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1777365 - 08/04/03 03:20 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

They'll probably make that illegal next.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1777371 - 08/04/03 03:25 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

She should have to forcefully make the point,
probably, or it's too bad.

If you were having sex with a guy and you
reconsidered, even though you'd done ecstasy
with him at a circuit party and gone back to
your apartment, and you told him, "Please stop
penetrating my asshole with your cock," you
should expect him to stop.

I don't know about a sentence. A maximum of
half of whatever a maximum rape sentence is
and a minimum of I don't know. I don't know
if it's a good idea to consider it half a
rape and I don't know what a good sentence
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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: bivalve]
    #1777381 - 08/04/03 03:33 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

>>>She should have to forcefully make the point,
probably, or it's too bad.<<<

I can agree with that.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1777393 - 08/04/03 03:43 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

infidelGOD said:
there a lesson here for us guys:

finish first and finish FAST!
   



That's my philosophy. Best is to beat off until you're almost ready and then stick it in. Then it's just boom boom boom and you're done.  :smirk:


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1777615 - 08/04/03 08:45 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I believe that anytime a woman tells you to stop, you stop. That is pretty simple. If you don't stop you are forcing her to do something she does not want to do. I wonder how many false claims actually happen. I would think this is a lot more prevalent in younger girls who regret doing it in the morning, so the yell rape. I would also think that this would amount to a small percentage of actual victims though. That is pure speculation on my part though.

Anyway the problem with the law is how do you prove it? Would there be any physical evidence? I guess there would have to be some sort of physical damage to show a struggle happened. Otherwise it is just he said she said. It seems like this will just make it even harder to figure out if a woman was raped or not.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: shakta]
    #1777624 - 08/04/03 08:57 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Anyway the problem with the law is how do you prove it? 




Mandatory videotaping of ALL sexual activity :wink: 


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: shakta]
    #1777626 - 08/04/03 08:59 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Do you have any idea how hard it is for a guy to stop once he's going? Once the girls moaning and you're going who knows what shes saying, not that you could stop anyways. I think someone could shoot me with a small claiber pistol and it wouldn't much affect me much until I was done.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: whiterasta]
    #1777627 - 08/04/03 09:00 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Mandatory videotaping of ALL sexual activity


Now there's an idea who's time has cum.... I mean come.

But how do you explain it to your (anyones) significant other?


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1777690 - 08/04/03 09:37 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Bullshit law, period.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Steevil]
    #1777746 - 08/04/03 10:09 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Isn't it kind of taking away/diminishing women's power? It kind of paints a weak picture of women, kind of makes them look like they are unable to forcefully say no or otherwise get the picture across that they don't want to do the horizontal samba. Can't they just crush they guys feelings beforehand, like many of us know all too well?


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: neutralizer]
    #1778692 - 08/04/03 04:37 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

the bare fact of the matter is that I have rarely had sex dropped in my lap by a woman.  Most women will admit that they expect the man to be a pursuer.  Most of the times I have gotten laid was because I went out on a limb and grabbed me some ass.

I have seen girls repeatedly tell guys no and then they're bangin on dude's door screaming when he eventually kicks them to the curb for not puttin out.  Why?  Because the girl wanted it, but she didn't want the man to ask her for it like a fucking john. 

But hey, maybe we should make consensual sex a contractual thing.  Of course, both the man and the woman will have to hire lawyers to sit down and hammer out what both parties expect from the deal- but hey, it least then consensus will be provable in a court of law :smile:


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1778765 - 08/04/03 04:56 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

You better learn to stop if she tells you to. Not doing so is just wrong, and it should be illegal. If a woman changes her mind in the middle of it, pull out, and finish yourself off. Not respecting her wishes at any point is disrespectful, and should land you in jail. Again, my only problem with the law is how to enforce it.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: shakta]
    #1778816 - 08/04/03 05:08 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

What about having to ask consent for each new act that is iniated during sex. Where if you are having sex and you have to stop everything and ask her if something is alright. Soon we'll need to have a clip board next the bed just to document what went on.

"Now here is a list of what i would like to do. Just sign at the bottom and inital next to each act you agree to."


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: d33p]
    #1778897 - 08/04/03 05:35 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

It really is not that difficult. If she tells you to stop doing something you stop.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: d33p]
    #1778898 - 08/04/03 05:35 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

It really is not that difficult. If she tells you to stop doing something you stop.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: shakta]
    #1778954 - 08/04/03 05:59 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

The problem is who is going to debate if the milliseconds it takes for that info to reach your brain and be processed is already long enough to qualify as rape. There was already to much he said she said bullshit and this law further inforces that.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: d33p]
    #1779022 - 08/04/03 06:23 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

It's easy to present a bunch of hypothetical
situations in which any law wouldn't work.

Is it a bad idea to strongly discourage men
from raping women?


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: bivalve]
    #1779058 - 08/04/03 06:34 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

The situation a presented is the extact situation that would have any time that law comes into effect.

And how does the new law discourage people from rapeing others. It just makes a person imediatly stop when their partner says no for fear of being labeled as a rapist.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: d33p]
    #1779196 - 08/04/03 07:31 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I have no problems with laws against rape. Anyone that would indulge in sex while restraining a partner is a viscious thug in my opinion.

I'm simply saying that women give mixed signals and it can be quite confusing. Obviously yelling "no" and fighting back are signs that its not cool. But often I find that women rteject men's advances not because they dont want it, but because they like playing headgames.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: d33p]
    #1779646 - 08/04/03 10:17 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I think every negative response can be reduced
to, 'We can't trust those bitches with that
much power.' I don't think that's good.





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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: bivalve]
    #1779984 - 08/05/03 12:04 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

i wouldnt trust anyone with "potentionaly" that much power weather they be a bitch or bastard. Some people are just assfucks and there is no way to protect from them.

And stop thinking women are the only rape victims. I bet men get raped a lot more than women.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: bivalve]
    #1780192 - 08/05/03 01:09 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Its just one more story of the nice go getting screwed. Heh wait a bit. Say you're making buttsex and well you're in. All the sudden she's like "wait, nahh, no I don't want to do this". Well of course you stop relax and find the right angle to slowly begin and pull out. But because you don't pull out right away, its rape. You'd think the state representatives of Illinois at least would know how painful it is to have a penis rapidly removed from your ass. But no, they send the nice guy to jail.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: djfrog]
    #1780202 - 08/05/03 01:13 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

What if she's on top and won't get off of you, is that rape?


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: d33p]
    #1780918 - 08/05/03 08:58 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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d33p said:
And stop thinking women are the only rape victims. I bet men get raped a lot more than women.




You don't seriously believe this do you?


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: shakta]
    #1783587 - 08/06/03 12:20 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

2 million people in jail in america alone most are males. I bealive it.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1783909 - 08/06/03 02:01 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I remember hearing about this.. and here's my thought:

girl: "lets fuck!"

guy: "damn bitch, we just met; you're dirty!"

girl: "I said fuck me you hot stud you!"

guy: "don't have to ask me thrice! ...... .... ......... .."

girl: "Hurry up, dumbass.. pinch 'n roll, pinch 'n roll!"

*INITIATE FUCKING SEQUENCE*

guy: .... ..... "uh! uh! uh! ah!"

girl: "You know what.. nevermind.... NO!"

guy: "uh! oo! what? uh! er! uh! uh! UH!"

girl: "I said RAPE!!!! RAPE!!!!!!! SOMEBODY HELP ME!!!"

This will become a regular scam


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Strumpling]
    #1784103 - 08/06/03 04:07 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Strumpling said:
girl: "I said RAPE!!!! RAPE!!!!!!! SOMEBODY HELP ME!!!"

This will become a regular scam



If a girl did that to me I'd strangle her and dump her in an abandoned lime quarry pit full of water so deep she'de never be found. Seriously. If it was a set up like that I'd be better off to just kill her and make her dissapear than to risk 15 years on a rape charge. I'm not kidding.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1784301 - 08/06/03 07:19 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I can't believe that's not part of rape laws already. If the girl doesn't want it, it's a very intimate violation. To those who think they couldn't stop - of course you fucking can - don't you have a cerebrum? People get interupted during sex all the time (eg. door bell rings). And the matter for considering when stopping should not be whether the woman charges rape, but what you are doing to the girls psyche, or even, life. And whoever said guys must get raped more than woman - libraries of journal articles have statistics saying it is much much more common for women to be raped - and partly because of sexism in perpetrators/society.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: enotake2]
    #1784303 - 08/06/03 07:24 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Oh, and no means no, no matter what else is going on.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: enotake2]
    #1784341 - 08/06/03 08:28 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

>>>To those who think they couldn't stop - of course you fucking can - don't you have a cerebrum? People get interupted during sex all the time (eg. door bell rings).

You would stop and answer the door! Amazing. Most of the time I don't answer the phone unless I know who it is and the door's not any more important. I mean for crying out loud why would you answer the doo when you're having sex? Stupid. Just let them pound on it and go away.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1784776 - 08/06/03 12:22 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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What if she's on top and won't get off of you, is that rape?




If you want her to move away from your penis and tell her so, and she refuses, yes of course it's rape.

Sex between human beings is legal only when it's consensual, or at least that's how it should be.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1786314 - 08/06/03 08:24 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

So you are able to stop to answer the phone = you can control it.

In humans all actions can be controlled by will except for those that are controlled by the autonomic nervous system (but even then some). The problem with sexual offenders is not whether they can control it or not, it is whether they can take responsibility for thier actions. And that is what therapy for offenders focuses on - getting the offender to take responsibility for their actions.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: enotake2]
    #1787642 - 08/07/03 08:31 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Personally, I think therapy for rapists should consist of removing their balls. Rapists are right up there with muderers in my book.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: enotake2]
    #1787648 - 08/07/03 08:38 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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So you are able to stop to answer the phone = you can control it.




You didn't read what I wrote. I wouldn't answer the door let alone the phone.


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    #1788333 - 08/07/03 01:16 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Steevil]
    #1788833 - 08/07/03 03:14 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

This law really isnt all that bad as i see it. i mean regaurdless of this law if a women was held down during sex and forced to do stuff before this law the guy would have been convicted of something.

What i think is worse it how some places have it where if the girl was at all drunk she can say rape. If a girl willing drinks alcohol and is awake and consets to sex she should have to deal with her decesions. I mean if she was drunk and robbed a bank will she not be held responsible also? What is a guy suposed to do when he hooks up with a girl at a party she says she isnt really drunk she consets and then later crys drunk. Nowadays in some places you need to carry a handheld breathalyzer


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: d33p]
    #1789231 - 08/07/03 05:15 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I can see the evil sluts now...
Seducing men between thier legs, then saying he didn't stop.  How many witnesses are there? Its a good way for a bitch to get some money or fuck some guy over! :thumbdown:


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1789574 - 08/07/03 06:50 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

maybe people should just be sure they want to have sex before they actualy start, then we wouldn't need thes bullshit laws.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: MusicSucks]
    #1790023 - 08/07/03 09:13 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Good idea. Converting the legal system to the honour
system makes perfect sense.



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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: bivalve]
    #1790048 - 08/07/03 09:17 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Oh come....have a little faith! :rolleyes:


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: bivalve]
    #1790051 - 08/07/03 09:17 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

How is it not the honor system now. Most cases turn into he said she said.



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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: d33p]
    #1790056 - 08/07/03 09:18 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

...or she said, unless the guy looks real innocent...


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1790062 - 08/07/03 09:19 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

i did say "she said"


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: d33p]
    #1790688 - 08/08/03 12:34 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

It's not turning the legal system into the honor system, it's just keeping the law out of things that people should be able to deal with themselves. There is absolutely no reason to have this be a law, which is also the case with many other laws currently in practice.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1793362 - 08/08/03 07:30 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

You said that you would answer the phone if you knew who it was. You only have to show that a person sometimes controls themselves to show that they can.

Anyway, if a girl said 'no more' that would be important enough reason for you to stop, because you wouldn't have sex with a girl without her consent, would you rail gun.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: enotake2]
    #1793541 - 08/08/03 08:12 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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You said that you would answer the phone if you knew who it was. You only have to show that a person sometimes controls themselves to show that they can.

Anyway, if a girl said 'no more' that would be important enough reason for you to stop, because you wouldn't have sex with a girl without her consent, would you rail gun.



When ever the phone rings I usually only answer it if I know who it is. Not during sex. That's what an answering machine's for.

Things would be a lot more simple is girls didn't say no when they mean yes.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1793555 - 08/08/03 08:16 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

That is just a horrible attitude. No means no, whether you think they mean it or not. How hard is it to understand?


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1793583 - 08/08/03 08:22 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

No means no. Simple. If a girl is turned on - she may say it with desire in her voice but that may be because of present other sexual activity - that does not mean that she wants to have sex and to do so can be just as damaging as otherwise. If you had already had sex a little while previous she may not feel like it again. You have to take no face value - otherwise the girl may be traumatised and you may end up in court. It really it simple, and It's not worth it.


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"Being bitter and hateful is like drinking a vial of poison and hoping the other person gets sick" FreakQLibrium

"My motto from here on out is: If someone or something (including me) in my life is conducting themselves in such a way that they can be seen on Jerry Springer, it's time to take out the garbage!!! When you stop taking their behaviour personally and see their antics as a true reflection on their character, it becomes absolutely nauseating." Anon. on abusive relationships.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: enotake2]
    #1794000 - 08/08/03 10:56 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Sometimes with a girl no means yes. One girl I made out with over a year ago. Geez. I'd start to do somthing and she'de say no and I'd stop and then she'de say don't stop. She did that over ten times that night. I dumped her for that reason. I don't mind playing head games but not that kind of games. Some times a girl says no when she means yes but she just doesn't want to feel like a pro being asked to do things. There is a big difference between a "no" and a "firm no".


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1794061 - 08/08/03 11:20 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

finally someone backs me up on this ^


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1794905 - 08/09/03 09:53 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I would have given up after the girl's second "no", and ask her what word she would use if she really meant "no", and explain to her that a clear definition of the signal is necessary if she wants to continue the game.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1806221 - 08/12/03 04:08 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Mine hollers NO,NO,Yes,YES,Stop.NO...Don't stop.Well,which the fuck is it?

Another example of retards running the show.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: shroomophile]
    #1807038 - 08/12/03 07:57 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah,I think you should have to get a lawer and a signed contract to engage in any sexual activity.

This clause entitles party A to place it's penis inside party B's anal cavity.

Intial here,here,and here,and sign here.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Ellis Dee]
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