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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: enotake2]
    #1784341 - 08/06/03 09:28 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

>>>To those who think they couldn't stop - of course you fucking can - don't you have a cerebrum? People get interupted during sex all the time (eg. door bell rings).

You would stop and answer the door! Amazing. Most of the time I don't answer the phone unless I know who it is and the door's not any more important. I mean for crying out loud why would you answer the doo when you're having sex? Stupid. Just let them pound on it and go away.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1784776 - 08/06/03 01:22 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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What if she's on top and won't get off of you, is that rape?




If you want her to move away from your penis and tell her so, and she refuses, yes of course it's rape.

Sex between human beings is legal only when it's consensual, or at least that's how it should be.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1786314 - 08/06/03 09:24 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

So you are able to stop to answer the phone = you can control it.

In humans all actions can be controlled by will except for those that are controlled by the autonomic nervous system (but even then some). The problem with sexual offenders is not whether they can control it or not, it is whether they can take responsibility for thier actions. And that is what therapy for offenders focuses on - getting the offender to take responsibility for their actions.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: enotake2]
    #1787642 - 08/07/03 09:31 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Personally, I think therapy for rapists should consist of removing their balls. Rapists are right up there with muderers in my book.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: enotake2]
    #1787648 - 08/07/03 09:38 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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enotake2 said:
So you are able to stop to answer the phone = you can control it.




You didn't read what I wrote. I wouldn't answer the door let alone the phone.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act *DELETED* [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1788333 - 08/07/03 02:16 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Reason for deletion: I had embarrassing opinions in the noughties



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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Steevil]
    #1788833 - 08/07/03 04:14 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

This law really isnt all that bad as i see it. i mean regaurdless of this law if a women was held down during sex and forced to do stuff before this law the guy would have been convicted of something.

What i think is worse it how some places have it where if the girl was at all drunk she can say rape. If a girl willing drinks alcohol and is awake and consets to sex she should have to deal with her decesions. I mean if she was drunk and robbed a bank will she not be held responsible also? What is a guy suposed to do when he hooks up with a girl at a party she says she isnt really drunk she consets and then later crys drunk. Nowadays in some places you need to carry a handheld breathalyzer


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: d33p]
    #1789231 - 08/07/03 06:15 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I can see the evil sluts now...
Seducing men between thier legs, then saying he didn't stop.  How many witnesses are there? Its a good way for a bitch to get some money or fuck some guy over! :thumbdown:


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1789574 - 08/07/03 07:50 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

maybe people should just be sure they want to have sex before they actualy start, then we wouldn't need thes bullshit laws.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: MusicSucks]
    #1790023 - 08/07/03 10:13 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Good idea. Converting the legal system to the honour
system makes perfect sense.



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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: bivalve]
    #1790048 - 08/07/03 10:17 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Oh come....have a little faith! :rolleyes:


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: bivalve]
    #1790051 - 08/07/03 10:17 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

How is it not the honor system now. Most cases turn into he said she said.



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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: d33p]
    #1790056 - 08/07/03 10:18 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

...or she said, unless the guy looks real innocent...


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1790062 - 08/07/03 10:19 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

i did say "she said"


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: d33p]
    #1790688 - 08/08/03 01:34 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

It's not turning the legal system into the honor system, it's just keeping the law out of things that people should be able to deal with themselves. There is absolutely no reason to have this be a law, which is also the case with many other laws currently in practice.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1793362 - 08/08/03 08:30 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

You said that you would answer the phone if you knew who it was. You only have to show that a person sometimes controls themselves to show that they can.

Anyway, if a girl said 'no more' that would be important enough reason for you to stop, because you wouldn't have sex with a girl without her consent, would you rail gun.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: enotake2]
    #1793541 - 08/08/03 09:12 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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enotake2 said:
You said that you would answer the phone if you knew who it was. You only have to show that a person sometimes controls themselves to show that they can.

Anyway, if a girl said 'no more' that would be important enough reason for you to stop, because you wouldn't have sex with a girl without her consent, would you rail gun.



When ever the phone rings I usually only answer it if I know who it is. Not during sex. That's what an answering machine's for.

Things would be a lot more simple is girls didn't say no when they mean yes.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1793555 - 08/08/03 09:16 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

That is just a horrible attitude. No means no, whether you think they mean it or not. How hard is it to understand?


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1793583 - 08/08/03 09:22 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

No means no. Simple. If a girl is turned on - she may say it with desire in her voice but that may be because of present other sexual activity - that does not mean that she wants to have sex and to do so can be just as damaging as otherwise. If you had already had sex a little while previous she may not feel like it again. You have to take no face value - otherwise the girl may be traumatised and you may end up in court. It really it simple, and It's not worth it.


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Computer games don't affect kids. I mean if Pacman affected our generation as kids, we'd all be running around in a darkened room, munching pills and listening to repetitive electronic music.

"Being bitter and hateful is like drinking a vial of poison and hoping the other person gets sick" FreakQLibrium

"My motto from here on out is: If someone or something (including me) in my life is conducting themselves in such a way that they can be seen on Jerry Springer, it's time to take out the garbage!!! When you stop taking their behaviour personally and see their antics as a true reflection on their character, it becomes absolutely nauseating." Anon. on abusive relationships.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: enotake2]
    #1794000 - 08/08/03 11:56 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Sometimes with a girl no means yes. One girl I made out with over a year ago. Geez. I'd start to do somthing and she'de say no and I'd stop and then she'de say don't stop. She did that over ten times that night. I dumped her for that reason. I don't mind playing head games but not that kind of games. Some times a girl says no when she means yes but she just doesn't want to feel like a pro being asked to do things. There is a big difference between a "no" and a "firm no".


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