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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Steevil]
    #1777746 - 08/04/03 11:09 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Isn't it kind of taking away/diminishing women's power? It kind of paints a weak picture of women, kind of makes them look like they are unable to forcefully say no or otherwise get the picture across that they don't want to do the horizontal samba. Can't they just crush they guys feelings beforehand, like many of us know all too well?


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: neutralizer]
    #1778692 - 08/04/03 05:37 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

the bare fact of the matter is that I have rarely had sex dropped in my lap by a woman.  Most women will admit that they expect the man to be a pursuer.  Most of the times I have gotten laid was because I went out on a limb and grabbed me some ass.

I have seen girls repeatedly tell guys no and then they're bangin on dude's door screaming when he eventually kicks them to the curb for not puttin out.  Why?  Because the girl wanted it, but she didn't want the man to ask her for it like a fucking john. 

But hey, maybe we should make consensual sex a contractual thing.  Of course, both the man and the woman will have to hire lawyers to sit down and hammer out what both parties expect from the deal- but hey, it least then consensus will be provable in a court of law :smile:


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1778765 - 08/04/03 05:56 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

You better learn to stop if she tells you to. Not doing so is just wrong, and it should be illegal. If a woman changes her mind in the middle of it, pull out, and finish yourself off. Not respecting her wishes at any point is disrespectful, and should land you in jail. Again, my only problem with the law is how to enforce it.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: shakta]
    #1778816 - 08/04/03 06:08 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

What about having to ask consent for each new act that is iniated during sex. Where if you are having sex and you have to stop everything and ask her if something is alright. Soon we'll need to have a clip board next the bed just to document what went on.

"Now here is a list of what i would like to do. Just sign at the bottom and inital next to each act you agree to."


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: d33p]
    #1778897 - 08/04/03 06:35 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

It really is not that difficult. If she tells you to stop doing something you stop.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: d33p]
    #1778898 - 08/04/03 06:35 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

It really is not that difficult. If she tells you to stop doing something you stop.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: shakta]
    #1778954 - 08/04/03 06:59 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

The problem is who is going to debate if the milliseconds it takes for that info to reach your brain and be processed is already long enough to qualify as rape. There was already to much he said she said bullshit and this law further inforces that.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: d33p]
    #1779022 - 08/04/03 07:23 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

It's easy to present a bunch of hypothetical
situations in which any law wouldn't work.

Is it a bad idea to strongly discourage men
from raping women?


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: bivalve]
    #1779058 - 08/04/03 07:34 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

The situation a presented is the extact situation that would have any time that law comes into effect.

And how does the new law discourage people from rapeing others. It just makes a person imediatly stop when their partner says no for fear of being labeled as a rapist.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: d33p]
    #1779196 - 08/04/03 08:31 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I have no problems with laws against rape. Anyone that would indulge in sex while restraining a partner is a viscious thug in my opinion.

I'm simply saying that women give mixed signals and it can be quite confusing. Obviously yelling "no" and fighting back are signs that its not cool. But often I find that women rteject men's advances not because they dont want it, but because they like playing headgames.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: d33p]
    #1779646 - 08/04/03 11:17 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I think every negative response can be reduced
to, 'We can't trust those bitches with that
much power.' I don't think that's good.





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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: bivalve]
    #1779984 - 08/05/03 01:04 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

i wouldnt trust anyone with "potentionaly" that much power weather they be a bitch or bastard. Some people are just assfucks and there is no way to protect from them.

And stop thinking women are the only rape victims. I bet men get raped a lot more than women.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: bivalve]
    #1780192 - 08/05/03 02:09 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Its just one more story of the nice go getting screwed. Heh wait a bit. Say you're making buttsex and well you're in. All the sudden she's like "wait, nahh, no I don't want to do this". Well of course you stop relax and find the right angle to slowly begin and pull out. But because you don't pull out right away, its rape. You'd think the state representatives of Illinois at least would know how painful it is to have a penis rapidly removed from your ass. But no, they send the nice guy to jail.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: djfrog]
    #1780202 - 08/05/03 02:13 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

What if she's on top and won't get off of you, is that rape?


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: d33p]
    #1780918 - 08/05/03 09:58 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

d33p said:
And stop thinking women are the only rape victims. I bet men get raped a lot more than women.




You don't seriously believe this do you?


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: shakta]
    #1783587 - 08/06/03 01:20 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

2 million people in jail in america alone most are males. I bealive it.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1783909 - 08/06/03 03:01 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I remember hearing about this.. and here's my thought:

girl: "lets fuck!"

guy: "damn bitch, we just met; you're dirty!"

girl: "I said fuck me you hot stud you!"

guy: "don't have to ask me thrice! ...... .... ......... .."

girl: "Hurry up, dumbass.. pinch 'n roll, pinch 'n roll!"

*INITIATE FUCKING SEQUENCE*

guy: .... ..... "uh! uh! uh! ah!"

girl: "You know what.. nevermind.... NO!"

guy: "uh! oo! what? uh! er! uh! uh! UH!"

girl: "I said RAPE!!!! RAPE!!!!!!! SOMEBODY HELP ME!!!"

This will become a regular scam


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Strumpling]
    #1784103 - 08/06/03 05:07 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Strumpling said:
girl: "I said RAPE!!!! RAPE!!!!!!! SOMEBODY HELP ME!!!"

This will become a regular scam



If a girl did that to me I'd strangle her and dump her in an abandoned lime quarry pit full of water so deep she'de never be found. Seriously. If it was a set up like that I'd be better off to just kill her and make her dissapear than to risk 15 years on a rape charge. I'm not kidding.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1784301 - 08/06/03 08:19 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I can't believe that's not part of rape laws already. If the girl doesn't want it, it's a very intimate violation. To those who think they couldn't stop - of course you fucking can - don't you have a cerebrum? People get interupted during sex all the time (eg. door bell rings). And the matter for considering when stopping should not be whether the woman charges rape, but what you are doing to the girls psyche, or even, life. And whoever said guys must get raped more than woman - libraries of journal articles have statistics saying it is much much more common for women to be raped - and partly because of sexism in perpetrators/society.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: enotake2]
    #1784303 - 08/06/03 08:24 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Oh, and no means no, no matter what else is going on.


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Computer games don't affect kids. I mean if Pacman affected our generation as kids, we'd all be running around in a darkened room, munching pills and listening to repetitive electronic music.

"Being bitter and hateful is like drinking a vial of poison and hoping the other person gets sick" FreakQLibrium

"My motto from here on out is: If someone or something (including me) in my life is conducting themselves in such a way that they can be seen on Jerry Springer, it's time to take out the garbage!!! When you stop taking their behaviour personally and see their antics as a true reflection on their character, it becomes absolutely nauseating." Anon. on abusive relationships.


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