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IT'S MYCORISTMAS!!
    #17756812 - 02/06/13 04:05 PM (11 years, 18 days ago)

Just wanna say ahead of time, sorry if there isnt anything important in this thread. But I am so happy and I need to share it with somebody.

So my pf cakes are 3/5 showing colonization :laugh:. and my LC's look pretty good apparently.

But today was like Xmas, shrooms xmas.

I went on an adventure to a bunch of hardware stores, grocery stores, home depot, lowes, petco, a post office, and some fancy farmers store in the middle of nowhere.

What I acquired today:
- Big bag of Perlite
- Big bag of peat moss
- Some gardening Gypsum( this is the hardest stuff in the world to find, tried home depot, lowes, and eventually found it at the famers store.
- a 1.5 inch drill bit
- 5 gallon bucket for $1 at home depot
- a 3 pack of coco coir
- a big stack of tyvek envelopes from the post office when no1 was looking :P
- Some large ziplock tuppaware containers to use as trays to spawn into
- finally got a colander(lol I know)
- a case of wide mouth pint ball jars
- a case of quart ball jars
- more tin foil

if that's not xmas idk what is :laugh:



and to top it all off I currently have 5 pint sized jars of WBS in the pressure cooker and 3 more lined up when those finish. I took a spent keurig cup and dumped some spent grounds into one of the jars for shits and giggles too.

but I also have a question. how come when u simmer the wbs u are careful not to boil it for fear of popping the grains.... yet when u pressure cook them it doesnt happen? is 15 psi external pressure on the kernels enough to keep them from popping.

also I keep reading everywhere that you should loosen ur caps a tiny bit b4 pressure cooking to prevent explosions.... but isn't the point of the tyvek/polyfill to breath?? how could it explode if it isn't totally sealed?

1 more question before I go. I haven't done any test batches of my 2 LC's should I use the 1 syringe I have that I sterilized using the boiling water tek and only use one lc on all my jars? or should I nocc half of them and then re sterIlize the syringe and use the other lc too? I know you cant really see contams in an lc ahead of time and I really dont want to waste a whole batch of 8 jars.

My LC's http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17748155


ok seriously just 1 more thing. can tyvek be reused? or no because you puncture it when u innoc?

THANKS GUYS HAVE FUN ^.^


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Re: IT'S MYCORISTMAS!! [Re: mel0n420]
    #17756860 - 02/06/13 04:13 PM (11 years, 18 days ago)

If you grab some RTV silicone you can make some proper self healing lids. I would still replace the tyvek on the lids after each use though. Also if your hole is large enough in the lid you shouldn't need to loosen the lid. I don't have experience with WBS or I would help there, and finally I personally would test the LC first. Maybe 1 jar from each LC. Just to see what was really going on in there.

One more thing, if that perlite is for use in the bottom of a SGFC, I would strongly urge you not to use it. It doesn't do its job well and it falls through the holes. I had the same stuff and quickly purchased super large grade perlite. Its waaaay better.


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Re: IT'S MYCORISTMAS!! [Re: DayTripin]
    #17756933 - 02/06/13 04:27 PM (11 years, 18 days ago)

I am planning on constructing a monotub for its use in future projects. I am probably going to case or spawn my pf cakes to bulk in a tray. My plan was to use perlite in the bottom of the monotub for my first few grows and just set the trays on top of the perlite.

My logic is this, in a monotub, all the moisture comes from the substrate and the polyfill allows decent FAE while at the same time holding in most of the moisture. I figure with a tray or 2 in there wont be enough to supply that amount of moisture. So by having a layer of moist perlite in there, hopefully it will keep the RH up without the substrate loosing much moisture.

I will be transitioning into full sized monotub grows, but I am just keeping things on a smaller scale for now while I experiment and leave room for error.

I am aware that the shotgun is probably the most effective, however I like to try new things out and experiment for myself. either way im bound to get at least a few mushies :P

also I made self healing inject ports on my LC's but I thought that grain spawn required FAE during colonization. well not required, but it speeds it up.


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Re: IT'S MYCORISTMAS!! [Re: mel0n420]
    #17756994 - 02/06/13 04:36 PM (11 years, 18 days ago)

Well sir I'm sending good vibes your way...and good luck!

Also is that peat moss for a casing layer? I wouldn't suggest trying to case on your first grow. It introduces another step for contams, and its not necessary for cubes. If you really want to I would personally use a verm layer. I know its really resistant to contams, but I'm not so sure about peat moss.


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Re: IT'S MYCORISTMAS!! [Re: DayTripin]
    #17757006 - 02/06/13 04:39 PM (11 years, 18 days ago)

I would just case with verm. I read a few different methods for using peat moss in bulk. it was on sale for $2.50 a bag so i thought why not :laugh:


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Re: IT'S MYCORISTMAS!! [Re: mel0n420]
    #17757243 - 02/06/13 05:20 PM (11 years, 18 days ago)

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- a big stack of tyvek envelopes from the post office when no1 was looking :P



Just so you know, they are free for everyone to take.


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Re: IT'S MYCORISTMAS!! [Re: PussyFart]
    #17757258 - 02/06/13 05:23 PM (11 years, 18 days ago)

I am aware they are free, but I dont think they intend for you to walk in and grab a stack of like 30 :P


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Re: IT'S MYCORISTMAS!! [Re: mel0n420]
    #17757268 - 02/06/13 05:24 PM (11 years, 18 days ago)

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I am aware they are free, but I dont think they intend for you to walk in and grab a stack of like 30 :P



Yea, but you can go online and order 800.

People ship 30 items a day all the time, eBay is the greatest excuse in the world. LOL


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Re: IT'S MYCORISTMAS!! [Re: mel0n420]
    #17757303 - 02/06/13 05:29 PM (11 years, 18 days ago)

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My plan was to use perlite in the bottom of the monotub for my first few grows and just set the trays on top of the perlite.

My logic is this, in a monotub, all the moisture comes from the substrate and the polyfill allows decent FAE while at the same time holding in most of the moisture. I figure with a tray or 2 in there wont be enough to supply that amount of moisture. So by having a layer of moist perlite in there, hopefully it will keep the RH up without the substrate loosing much moisture.




isn't that just basicly a sgfc?


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Re: IT'S MYCORISTMAS!! [Re: cronicr]
    #17757536 - 02/06/13 06:00 PM (11 years, 18 days ago)

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My plan was to use perlite in the bottom of the monotub for my first few grows and just set the trays on top of the perlite.

My logic is this, in a monotub, all the moisture comes from the substrate and the polyfill allows decent FAE while at the same time holding in most of the moisture. I figure with a tray or 2 in there wont be enough to supply that amount of moisture. So by having a layer of moist perlite in there, hopefully it will keep the RH up without the substrate loosing much moisture.




isn't that just basicly a sgfc?



Not really, the perlite is basically useless without holes in the bottom of the chamber.


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Re: IT'S MYCORISTMAS!! [Re: PussyFart]
    #17757614 - 02/06/13 06:13 PM (11 years, 18 days ago)

why is that? why do you need holes in the bottom? im not talking about a sgfc amount of perlite in the  bottom, maybe an inch or so.

A monotub by design does get fresh air, but has nowhere near as much airflow as an sgfc. thus, since the monotub will be closed other than the polyfill holes, the air/water ratio will remain homogeneous for the most part.

again I have no experience here, just based off of what I have read and the way the designs seem to work.

why would substrate maintain the RH without holes in the bottom, yet perlite which is far airier than any of the bulk substrates commonly used, would not? if anything it seems like the perlite would work better.

welp Im gunna give it a shot anyways and watch my humidity levels and let you know how it goes :thumbup:


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Re: IT'S MYCORISTMAS!! [Re: mel0n420]
    #17757642 - 02/06/13 06:18 PM (11 years, 18 days ago)

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why is that? why do you need holes in the bottom? im not talking about a sgfc amount of perlite in the  bottom, maybe an inch or so.

A monotub by design does get fresh air, but has nowhere near as much airflow as an sgfc. thus, since the monotub will be closed other than the polyfill holes, the air/water ratio will remain homogeneous for the most part.

again I have no experience here, just based off of what I have read and the way the designs seem to work.



In a SGFC the perlite only humidifies the tub because air can pass up thru the bottom and wick up the evaporating water off the perlite and into the tub, thus raising the humidity.

If air cannot pass up thru the perlite, how is it going to humidify the chamber?


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Re: IT'S MYCORISTMAS!! [Re: PussyFart]
    #17757684 - 02/06/13 06:24 PM (11 years, 18 days ago)

unless it didnt evaporate at all, where would the water vapor go? and with FAE the humidity would drop, causing the water to evaporate more easily off the perlite. but the water vapor has nowhere to go other than with the circulation of the air. or condense which would mean the air is close to its maximum humidity and is dropping water on anything cooler.

I should also mention that when I first put my trays in I will be putting bubble wrap cut to size on top of the trays to promote even, healthy pinning.


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Re: IT'S MYCORISTMAS!! [Re: PussyFart]
    #17757703 - 02/06/13 06:27 PM (11 years, 18 days ago)

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mel0n420 said:
My plan was to use perlite in the bottom of the monotub for my first few grows and just set the trays on top of the perlite.

My logic is this, in a monotub, all the moisture comes from the substrate and the polyfill allows decent FAE while at the same time holding in most of the moisture. I figure with a tray or 2 in there wont be enough to supply that amount of moisture. So by having a layer of moist perlite in there, hopefully it will keep the RH up without the substrate loosing much moisture.




isn't that just basicly a sgfc?



Not really, the perlite is basically useless without holes in the bottom of the chamber.



gotcha i just seen perlite-holes-trays on top=not a mono
i see now he's making the mono for later uses but wants to use it in the meantime. i think your better off just building both if thats the case


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Re: IT'S MYCORISTMAS!! [Re: cronicr]
    #17757730 - 02/06/13 06:31 PM (11 years, 18 days ago)

I am really limited for space :/ trying to not have big plastic containers all over the place until i get a bigger place of living.


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Re: IT'S MYCORISTMAS!! [Re: mel0n420]
    #17757767 - 02/06/13 06:35 PM (11 years, 18 days ago)

i feel ya, i just downsized houses myself and basicaly have to put most of my shit away.had an entire room dedicated to my hobby now have 1/3 of a room thats half the size of my last room...sux


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Re: IT'S MYCORISTMAS!! [Re: cronicr]
    #17760632 - 02/07/13 09:15 AM (11 years, 18 days ago)

Well since I am going to spawn it to bulk on a small scale in ziplock trays, Could I use large ziplock bags like the 1-2 gallon freezer bags and make a couple holes in the bag (fill with polyfill or double coffee filter) and place that over the trays to create a mini monotub like design?

That way its just like a monotub or dubtub on small scale and the substrate will continue to supply the moisture for itself and I can just save the perlite for other projects.

Of course I would let it fully colonize in the tray beforehand with some tin foil over the top of the tray with a few slits cut in it and another layer of tin foil over that for some air exchange.


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