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Allyander
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Crystaline Psilocybin Extraction from LC Mycelia
#17758014 - 02/06/13 07:18 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok, I love growing mushrooms, but I find the fruiting process a little nerve wracking. As much as I love watching them grow, I don't like having big containers full of mushrooms that need light, fresh air, and attention while being a schedule 1 substance at the same time.
Therefore, I have been contemplating the idea of growing a few jars, maybe 5 or 10, of LC mycelia and extracting psilocybin. I will explain my idea and I would love some feedback on your personal experiences with similar ideas and what you might expect.
After the LC jars have fully colonized, the mycelia would be filtered out using a coffee filter and a funnel. The remaining material would be dried in the usual manner and broken down into a powder like substance. Then, the substance would be mixed in a solution of 90% water, 10% vinegar (acidic and therefore helps with dissolving the psilocybin) and set aside for a while to allow for complete extraction. A warm water bath might help aid in extraction. The remaining solution would be passed through a filter to remove the mycelia, but the mycelia would not yet be discarded. A few repeated extractions would make sure all active compound was removed. With the new solution, allow the water/vinegar mixture to evaporate. This would leave you with the apparently brown residue of active compound. This compound would then be added to a solution of naphtha or chloroform and shaken until completely disolved, which would defat the residue, and another evaporation would bring back the new residue. This residue would then be added to a solution of methanol or anhydrous ethanol and shaken, possibly very gently heated, and allowed to evaporate.
From what I have read from other users, posts, research and whatnot, this should eventually yield crystalline psilocybin. Although the process sounds a little over kill, I personally would enjoy a discreet crystal instead of bags of mushrooms. However, I actually have little experience working with mycelium when it comes to how active it is. Therefore, I have no idea how much psilocybin/psilocin would be obtained from 5 or 10 pint sized jars of LC, and I would like to know whether it would be an amount that was worth it. Also, I know psilocin degrades with exposure to oxygen, so I guess there would be some potency loss. Hopefully I would end up with enough crystalline product that the loss wouldn't be detrimental. And finally, if anyone has ever extracted crystalline psilocybin, I am interested to know how many mg would be roughly equivalent to 3.5 gs of typical cubies. This way I could cap it and create a bunch of 'doses'.
Any input you guys have to offer would be great. I am still in the contemplating and learning stage of the whole process, and I don't wanna go all out and find out that it wasn't worth it. Anyways, thanks for reading my post and offering any feedback.
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Tmethyl
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Re: Crystaline Psilocybin Extraction from LC Mycelia [Re: Allyander]
#17758082 - 02/06/13 07:30 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mycelium contains just as much psychedelic compounds as the fruits, it will work. But using your mycelium to grow fruits would obviously yield much more psychedelics. But your method will be faster obviously.
Keep us updated, sounds like a good experiment.
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Allyander
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Re: Crystaline Psilocybin Extraction from LC Mycelia [Re: Tmethyl]
#17758250 - 02/06/13 08:01 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Actually, just thinking about it, if i allowed it to dissolve in water, the evaporation proccess might evaporate off the psilocybin. probably not a good idea
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JoeMama1992
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Re: Crystaline Psilocybin Extraction from LC Mycelia [Re: Tmethyl]
#17758483 - 02/06/13 08:50 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mycelium contains just as much psychedelic compounds as the fruits, it will work.
I thought actives weren't present in the mycelium until at least pinning?
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Re: Crystaline Psilocybin Extraction from LC Mycelia [Re: JoeMama1992]
#17758620 - 02/06/13 09:12 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have tried making tea from mostly mycelium bits and it did not seem as potent as fruits IME but i may not have measured the dose properly 
Growing sclerotia is an awesome way to get potent edibles without fruiting. Psilocybe mexicana and Psilocybe tampanensis both form sclerotia.
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Tmethyl
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Re: Crystaline Psilocybin Extraction from LC Mycelia [Re: JoeMama1992]
#17758958 - 02/06/13 10:10 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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JoeMama1992 said:
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Mycelium contains just as much psychedelic compounds as the fruits, it will work.
I thought actives weren't present in the mycelium until at least pinning?
No, I and many other people have tripped off mycelium. There are a few unwritten teks using organic pasta as a substrate, and eating colonized pasta cakes. It works.
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Allyander
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Re: Crystaline Psilocybin Extraction from LC Mycelia [Re: Tmethyl]
#17760679 - 02/07/13 09:25 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've read a little bit about sclerotia, it seems pretty interesting. I'm really just looking for the most discreet and non bulky options while still obtaining a good amount of psilocybin. But i would also like to end up with something that i could measure into doses for 'future use/ sharing'. whether that be liquid or crystals, or even just the slerotia/mycelium dried.
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Re: Crystaline Psilocybin Extraction from LC Mycelia [Re: Allyander]
#17760698 - 02/07/13 09:25 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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This thread has been closed.
Reason: Off topic in advanced mycology. Extraction/drug manufacturing has no place in advanced mycology, despite constant threads being started in that regards.
Now for some facts: You can't extract psilocybin to 'crystals'. If you do, those crystals are actually useless salts, as everyone who has done this knows.
I got on the PF 'extraction tek' bandwagon too a decade or so ago, but soon realized he had published his dream, not science. RR
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