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Re: what does obamacare mean for people like me? [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#17754327 - 02/06/13 06:59 AM (11 years, 18 days ago) |
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Re: what does obamacare mean for people like me? [Re: shaggyp] 1
#17754348 - 02/06/13 07:10 AM (11 years, 18 days ago) |
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If you want to disagree with me, then fine, but don't try to talk down to me in that way like I'm even suggesting that "Europeans don't work for money".
I have a grasp of the modern economic system. You might be surprised at how much I do understand about it, especially the Eurozone crisis as it relates to the process of globalization (which is kinda my area of interest).
Laying out a case for communally provided infrastructure sounds great and all, and I bet you have a million great points about the benefits of free enterprise, and we can go on and on and on. But please, don't take me for some dumb idealistic child who thinks Europeans don't use money. Take me at least for a well studied idealistic adult who's experienced micro-scale commune living and is grappling with the concept of moving it to a larger scale.
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Re: what does obamacare mean for people like me? [Re: shaggyp]
#17754381 - 02/06/13 07:24 AM (11 years, 18 days ago) |
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Abandoning social Darwinism is the way of the future, apparently.
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Re: what does obamacare mean for people like me? [Re: shaggyp]
#17754382 - 02/06/13 07:25 AM (11 years, 18 days ago) |
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shaggyp said: If you want to disagree with me, then fine, but don't try to talk down to me in that way like I'm even suggesting that "Europeans don't work for money".
I didnt make a claim like this... unless you wish to show examples of private industry building bridges for free and their workers working without promise of pay
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Europe's had the concept of ownership for a long time, and most westerners don't really understand how communism actually works, or how you can convince people to build city infrastructure just because the city needs it, and not because they are promised a wage.
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Laying out a case for communally provided infrastructure sounds great and all, and I bet you have a million great points about the benefits of free enterprise, and we can go on and on and on. But please, don't take me for some dumb idealistic child who thinks Europeans don't use money. Take me at least for a well studied idealistic adult who's experienced micro-scale commune living and is grappling with the concept of moving it to a larger scale.
you seem to be under the impression that nations like the US dont have that communally provided infrastructure when in reality we do and it's paid for through the tax fund on the local, state and federal levels, we, just as europe also have privately funded infrastructure because these companies in order for people to make use of their goods or services need to deliver i to the people, hence things like oil pipelines that are provided by the oil companies, shipping, electrical transmission lines, sanitation, etc...
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Re: what does obamacare mean for people like me? [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#17754423 - 02/06/13 07:41 AM (11 years, 18 days ago) |
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Thanks for the lesson. I didn't know about taxes. What would I do without you?
I'll go explain the concept to the guys on the commune. Why are we building all this shit together with our collective resources, when we can fight over the resources, then force each other to give up a percentage, then form a construction crew to pay that percentage to do the work we were already doing?
And especially thank you for your excellent understanding of the content of my last few posts. It's great that your responses don't seem to forget the previous responses, especially the one where you repeated "europeans don't work for money?" over and over again despite nobody ever claiming that.
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Re: what does obamacare mean for people like me? [Re: shaggyp] 1
#17754560 - 02/06/13 08:23 AM (11 years, 18 days ago) |
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shaggyp said: Thanks for the lesson. I didn't know about taxes. What would I do without you?
assume that modern medicine would be where it is if we traded rocks and twigs for treatment and assume that people would voluntarily build infrastructure with no promise of payment
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I'll go explain the concept to the guys on the commune. Why are we building all this shit together with our collective resources, when we can fight over the resources, then force each other to give up a percentage, then form a construction crew to pay that percentage to do the work we were already doing?
oh, so what you're saying is that a few people get together and decide to do something and do it without pay because it's something mutually beneficial, a barter of labor for labor and goods for goods, something that doesnt work on a large scale like in europe or the US because not everyone needs a 5th garage or a flock of chickens
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Re: what does obamacare mean for people like me? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#17754565 - 02/06/13 08:24 AM (11 years, 18 days ago) |
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shaggyp said: Thanks for the lesson. I didn't know about taxes. What would I do without you?
assume that modern medicine would be where it is if we traded rocks and twigs for treatment and assume that people would voluntarily build infrastructure with no promise of payment
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I'll go explain the concept to the guys on the commune. Why are we building all this shit together with our collective resources, when we can fight over the resources, then force each other to give up a percentage, then form a construction crew to pay that percentage to do the work we were already doing?
oh, so what you're saying is that a few people get together and decide to do something and do it without pay because it's something mutually beneficial, a barter of labor for labor and goods for goods, something that doesnt work on a large scale like in europe or the US because not everyone needs a 5th garage or a flock of chickens
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Re: what does obamacare mean for people like me? [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#17756429 - 02/06/13 03:04 PM (11 years, 18 days ago) |
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shaggyp said: Thanks for the lesson. I didn't know about taxes. What would I do without you?
assume that modern medicine would be where it is if we traded rocks and twigs for treatment and assume that people would voluntarily build infrastructure with no promise of payment
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I'll go explain the concept to the guys on the commune. Why are we building all this shit together with our collective resources, when we can fight over the resources, then force each other to give up a percentage, then form a construction crew to pay that percentage to do the work we were already doing?
oh, so what you're saying is that a few people get together and decide to do something and do it without pay because it's something mutually beneficial, a barter of labor for labor and goods for goods, something that doesnt work on a large scale like in europe or the US because not everyone needs a 5th garage or a flock of chickens
The largest population this has worked with is about 30,000 people building irrigation canals without any currency exchange, so yeah, there's a bit of an issue there bringing it to a larger more advanced population, but clearly this kind of thing works beyond the micro scale.
As far as your comment about trading twigs and berries... well that would make the twigs and berries currency, right? Not at all what I'm talking about.
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Re: what does obamacare mean for people like me? [Re: shaggyp] 1
#17756441 - 02/06/13 03:06 PM (11 years, 18 days ago) |
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What exactly are you trying to convince me of? That communism has never been implemented on a large scale? That the world is dominated by a capitalist system of currency exchange?
Are you really assuming I'm not aware of the world outside me or how it works?
I really just don't follow where you're going with all this.
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