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ConfettiHead
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God Is A Higher Form Of Myself
#17738347 - 02/03/13 01:06 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Recently I took two hits of acid. I do not know how much LSD was on each hit, but I know it was strong. The acid took me away from my everyday reality into a world where anything was seemingly possible. During the trip I wondered about the nature of reality and what life is all about (not much different from all my other trips). However, the gray area, the middle path, was emphasized during this trip. What I mean by that is that I realized that there would be no darkness without light, there would be no good without bad, there would be no winter without summer, no male without female, etc. Duality is the nature of the universe. Action and reaction, cause and effect, everything has a polar opposite and it's not about being on one side or the other it's about finding the happy medium and sticking to it. Life is about balance, you need both sides of the coin in order to complete the whole. So I wondered, how could this be applied to the theism vs. atheism argument? Lo and behold, I found the answer. I will give an example of the answer and then explain a little more from there.
So, I am into spirituality and I like Eastern philosophy, particularly Hinduism. I do not consider myself "Hindu" and I am not of Indian descent either, but I am very drawn towards Hinduism and the various demigods within the culture. However, I do not believe that the demigods are real. But, on the flip side I am not atheist either. I believe there is something more than just what we can perceive with our five senses. So during my acid trip I stared at a cloth painting of Sarasvati that I have hanging in my room and I asked myself why do I meditate on and pray to Sarasvati if I don't believe she is real? Why? Because Sarasvati has all the qualities that I want for myself. She is always pictured with a veena, representing music and the arts. I am a musician and an artist, therefore I am drawn towards her instrument. She holds a book of knowledge in one hand, representing knowledge, education and wisdom. I am in college trying to earn a PhD and become a scholar, therefore I am attracted towards her book of knowledge. She holds beads in one hand, representing prayer, meditation and cosmic consciousness. I am a spiritual person on many levels and daily perform meditation and prayer in search for the Divine, so I am drawn towards her beads. She rests upon a lotus flower which represents enlightenment; enlightenment, to me, just means having full knowledge and this is something I strive for, so I am attracted to the lotus flower. She is pictured with a swan which represents inquisitiveness; again, I am very inquisitive and am always seeking, therefore I am drawn towards the swan. So why do I meditate and pray to Sarasvati? It's a psychological thing, the more I ask her to help me in all the areas which she has perfected, the more motivated I actually become to help myself master those things. And each demigod has their own unique qualities which one can meditate upon in order to help them attain those qualities. So if you're a businessman seeking wealth and success, you may meditate upon Lakshmi and if you're in a hole and need help overcoming obstacles, you may meditate upon Ganesha. But the point is, Sarasvati, Lakshmi and Ganesha won't help you, because they aren't real; their metaphorical presence can only motivate you to help yourself. YOU are in control; YOU have the power to be anything you want to be; YOU ARE GOD. This is the essence of religion. Religion is not history, it is metaphor. But, it should not be neglected, it should be embraced. Because through religion, you don't learn that God can save you; you learn that you can save yourself. So God is just you working on a higher plane. When you expand your consciousness, when you become aware of the power you hold, then everything makes sense. Therefore we should embrace the beauty of religion, not as historical fact, but as allegorical wisdom.
So, in conclusion, this acid trip helped me to realize that theism is wrong because it believes in a God that is far away and far beyond us, but in reality God is right here, right now. However, atheism is also wrong because it believes in no God, but in reality there is a God. That God is you. YOU ARE GOD. So accept your role as God and move forward, becoming everything that you can possibly be!
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Agentchewy
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Re: God Is A Higher Form Of Myself [Re: ConfettiHead]
#17738360 - 02/03/13 01:08 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Deism > theism
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Re: God Is A Higher Form Of Myself [Re: Agentchewy]
#17738547 - 02/03/13 01:49 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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you know that is the reason alex gray changed his name to "gray"? his first acid trip he said same thing you did and saved his life
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LysergicX7
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Re: God Is A Higher Form Of Myself [Re: ConfettiHead]
#17738916 - 02/03/13 02:58 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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“God is consciousness and we are all god trying to realize our full potential"
-------------------- “Everybody is fundamentally, the ultimate reality. Not god in the political kingly sense, but god in the sense of being the self – the deep down basic whatever there is. And you’re all that… only you’re pretending you’re not.” -Alan Watts I think that in human evolution it has never been as necessary to have this substance LSD. It is just a tool to turn us into what we are supposed to be.” ― Albert Hofmann
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flickedbic
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Re: God Is A Higher Form Of Myself [Re: LysergicX7]
#17738967 - 02/03/13 03:05 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pantheism for the win...
-------------------- Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order: 1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine 2)Amanita (urine drank twice) 3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose) 4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators) 5)Salvia (need to try quid) All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental. Blessing.
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Re: God Is A Higher Form Of Myself [Re: LysergicX7]
#17738982 - 02/03/13 03:07 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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this is kinda like a theory I have jokingly believed for years although I don't believe in any god whatsoever. but the closest plausible thing I could come up with for an all knowing entity was a collective of minds. to say that every humans brain is linked in a telepathic sense creating the all knowing entity people attribute to god. it goes much deeper but I think you get the point.
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joemolloy
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Re: God Is A Higher Form Of Myself [Re: bishlap]
#17739451 - 02/03/13 04:40 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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YOU ARE GOD
I'm a pleasure-seeking, pain-avoiding human with prewired programs and instincts to survive and fuck. It would be nice to be God, but that's a leap, even a metaphorical one, that would put me in the realms of Christianity or other silly ideas. You're a bag of meat, temporarily moving about for food and pussy, and then you'll die, rot, and disappear. That's as far as anyone can tell, anything beyond that is wild speculation, outright lies, or drug-induced poetry.
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Re: God Is A Higher Form Of Myself [Re: flickedbic]
#17739498 - 02/03/13 04:51 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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i had very similar experience on 3 hits about 3 weeks ago except i was shown how enlightenment cannot be reached in this life because it is too much to handle for us. i realized that god is life and everything on earth is alive or has living things on it no matter how small. that means that everything is god including us and every part of us. i learned that there is only one life experiencing itself through different medium(humans,plants,animals ect.) and that in a sense we cannot truly kill any form of life because as soon as something dies something new is born.
nothing goes to waste. everything feeds off life. its an endless cycle
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LysergicX7
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Re: God Is A Higher Form Of Myself [Re: allseeingike]
#17739557 - 02/03/13 05:02 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Take shrooms.
-------------------- “Everybody is fundamentally, the ultimate reality. Not god in the political kingly sense, but god in the sense of being the self – the deep down basic whatever there is. And you’re all that… only you’re pretending you’re not.” -Alan Watts I think that in human evolution it has never been as necessary to have this substance LSD. It is just a tool to turn us into what we are supposed to be.” ― Albert Hofmann
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Re: God Is A Higher Form Of Myself [Re: allseeingike] 1
#17739849 - 02/03/13 05:59 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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allseeingike said: i had very similar experience on 3 hits about 3 weeks ago except i was shown how enlightenment cannot be reached in this life because it is too much to handle for us. i realized that god is life and everything on earth is alive or has living things on it no matter how small. that means that everything is god including us and every part of us. i learned that there is only one life experiencing itself through different medium(humans,plants,animals ect.) and that in a sense we cannot truly kill any form of life because as soon as something dies something new is born.
nothing goes to waste. everything feeds off life. its an endless cycle
well you were being deluded. enlightenment is already here and now, we all have it, we're just not awakened to it.
there's the ordinary self, and the true enlightened self.
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Re: God Is A Higher Form Of Myself [Re: Lucyfer]
#17742427 - 02/04/13 06:20 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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allseeingike said: i had very similar experience on 3 hits about 3 weeks ago except i was shown how enlightenment cannot be reached in this life because it is too much to handle for us. i realized that god is life and everything on earth is alive or has living things on it no matter how small. that means that everything is god including us and every part of us. i learned that there is only one life experiencing itself through different medium(humans,plants,animals ect.) and that in a sense we cannot truly kill any form of life because as soon as something dies something new is born.
nothing goes to waste. everything feeds off life. its an endless cycle
well you were being deluded. enlightenment is already here and now, we all have it, we're just not awakened to it.
there's the ordinary self, and the true enlightened self.
well i didnt put it the the rigth words i guess it showed me how life was truly perfect but that being in the state of pure consciousness or knowing all is impossible to achieve as individuals in this life. it is here but it is shared between every living thing.
when i said enligthenment i meant being in that perfect state of being where everything is pure love and you know everything. and it is impossible to reach that state and survive because you wouldnt function in this world so you have to wait until we evolve or die. i know im not good at explaining things but i think thats good enough to understand. it makes sense in my head at least but i do believe life is perfect the way it is and i am going to enjoy every fucking second of it regardless of my situation
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Re: God Is A Higher Form Of Myself [Re: allseeingike]
#17742499 - 02/04/13 07:09 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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(...)impossible to achieve as individuals in this life
There are some said to have attained it. The teacher of Ram Dass sounded interesting.
-------------------- Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order: 1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine 2)Amanita (urine drank twice) 3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose) 4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators) 5)Salvia (need to try quid) All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental. Blessing.
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ConfettiHead
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Re: God Is A Higher Form Of Myself [Re: joemolloy]
#17742669 - 02/04/13 08:30 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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joemolloy said:
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YOU ARE GOD
I'm a pleasure-seeking, pain-avoiding human with prewired programs and instincts to survive and fuck.
Who and/or what prewired you?
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It would be nice to be God, but that's a leap, even a metaphorical one, that would put me in the realms of Christianity or other silly ideas.
No it wouldn't because Christianity says God is some divine being that resides in heaven. In reality, God is the universe. God is nature. God is everything. Therefore, you are God. That is to say that you are part and parcel of the supreme whole. It doesn't mean you hold all the power in the universe; it means you are a unique aspect of God and without you, the whole would not be complete.
Look at the Big Bang, it is a burst of energy that predated human existence, yet it established material reality as we know it today. So the energy behind the Big Bang is God also. Saying everything is God is Pantheistic, not Christian.
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You're a bag of meat, temporarily moving about for food and pussy, and then you'll die, rot, and disappear. That's as far as anyone can tell, anything beyond that is wild speculation, outright lies, or drug-induced poetry.
You are what you believe yourself to be. If you believe that you are nothing more than a bag of meat meant to only perform mundane, animalistic activities, then that's all you'll ever amount to.
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joemolloy
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Re: God Is A Higher Form Of Myself [Re: ConfettiHead]
#17743756 - 02/04/13 01:15 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Who and/or what prewired you?
I don't know. No one does, except fools and liars who claim to know.
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No it wouldn't because Christianity says God is some divine being that resides in heaven. In reality, God is the universe. God is nature. God is everything. Therefore, you are God. That is to say that you are part and parcel of the supreme whole. It doesn't mean you hold all the power in the universe; it means you are a unique aspect of God and without you, the whole would not be complete.
Look at the Big Bang, it is a burst of energy that predated human existence, yet it established material reality as we know it today. So the energy behind the Big Bang is God also. Saying everything is God is Pantheistic, not Christian.
If you want to say I am a piece of the whole universe, then I'll concede. I don't understand why you call it God though. It seems as if you are infusing meaning or purpose into the universe.
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You are what you believe yourself to be. If you believe that you are nothing more than a bag of meat meant to only perform mundane, animalistic activities, then that's all you'll ever amount to.
And ultimately you can kick and scream all you want, but you are an animal whose behavior is largely dictated by pre-programmed systems and programs interacting in an environment where food and pussy are main rewards.
I live life under no illusions. I admit illusions are comforting though.
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ConfettiHead
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Re: God Is A Higher Form Of Myself [Re: joemolloy]
#17743864 - 02/04/13 01:33 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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I live life under no illusions.
Dare I say, that believing we are only the body is an illusion?
Ultimately, we'll have to agree to disagree. I wholeheartedly get what you are saying, and it makes sense, don't get me wrong. I just believe that there is something more and that that something more is not entirely out of our reach. I don't pretend to know what that something more is, and I may never know, but in my gut that's what I feel is true. Anyway, thank you for your input, I appreciate you voicing your opinion on the matter. It makes for a more rounded discussion.
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Re: God Is A Higher Form Of Myself [Re: flickedbic]
#17743995 - 02/04/13 01:51 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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(...)impossible to achieve as individuals in this life
There are some said to have attained it. The teacher of Ram Dass sounded interesting.
is that the guy who took 900 mcg and felt no change in his state of mind ( that or he could really handle his shit)?
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Peace of Mind 1
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Re: God Is A Higher Form Of Myself [Re: ConfettiHead]
#17744099 - 02/04/13 02:05 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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ConfettiHead said:
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I live life under no illusions.
Dare I say, that believing we are only the body is an illusion?
Ultimately, we'll have to agree to disagree. I wholeheartedly get what you are saying, and it makes sense, don't get me wrong. I just believe that there is something more and that that something more is not entirely out of our reach. I don't pretend to know what that something more is, and I may never know, but in my gut that's what I feel is true. Anyway, thank you for your input, I appreciate you voicing your opinion on the matter. It makes for a more rounded discussion.
So do I, I believe there is more. But we all come from different walks of life and experience different situations that cause us to believe what we subjectively believe today. I went through all different phases of beliefs in my lifetime, some complete opposites of the one before. Experiences of this life are what craft our current perception of reality.
I personally don't believe I have any right to disrespect someones belief because I don't know what they have been through, what they've experienced, I've never walked in their shoes. I almost can't even believe in "Free Will" to much of an extent for the fact that we don't consciously make decisions, past experiences are what makes for us to decide on anything. Your mind simply favoring "yes" or "no" to a question in and of itself contradicts free will. You only believe your choosing because you're somehow convinced that "this" is what you want, whether it be past experiences, or just the feeling of "I want this" or "I don't". My point being, I try to understand anyone's perspective because they are who they are and have been crafted to be themselves as an individual.
Whether Religion, or any sense of more to life is an illusion or not, I have learned a lot taking bits and pieces out of any Faith I have come across in life, if not in some deep Spiritual way, then just in a regular life lesson. I don't believe that you can only choose one, I believe people are missing out. It can be a Fairy Tale for all I care, if I can read one line of it and say "Wow I can apply this to my life" then that's fine by me.
I do believe that Death brings us more though. Even if we do truly just Die and cease to exist, then that to me is eternal sleep, which to me, seems absolutely Heavenly and Peaceful. Perhaps the "oneness" we all hope for is just merely eternal sleep. We aren't aware of existence when we are asleep, and it doesn't please nor bother us. To me, that in and of itself is Heaven enough for me.
However, I do hope for something more. The Universe is so infinite, it's profound, and if it all just happened, then that in and of itself is a damn miracle. I just truly believe it was the work of something greater. It doesn't have to be God or anything. Just some sense of energy that brings about cause and effect.
I believe in something greater, a higher power in some way. I hope for some sense of true life after Death, difference is, I don't get hung up on this stuff like many people. They seem to believe what they do so intensely that they fear it. I'm not bothered by the chance of nothing, but I am joyous about the possibility of anything.
For example: Being Spiritual has cause me to believe Nature is far more complex than we realize. Full of beauty, and in many ways, life of it's own.
Say that's all bullshit. Well, I only get one life, and if the illusion of Spirituality has allowed me to see beauty in things that are bullshit, I'm enjoying my only life more, you know? So it does work, if not on some deeper realm, then it certainly helps us appreciate this meaningless one we experience now.
It's all gravy man. The only thing that is certain is Death and Taxes
Best you can do is appreciate and enjoy the life we DO have, because here and now is the only certainty. My next breathe isn't guaranteed. Be the best person you can be, enjoy life the best you can.
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Re: God Is A Higher Form Of Myself [Re: ConfettiHead]
#17744132 - 02/04/13 02:11 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, I'm on the same page OP. There are aspects of ourselves that we aren't used to defining as ourselves. We tend to project those parts 'out there' as Divinity, where they take on symbolic, mythological, archetypal form. 'Know Thyself'
Whatever you call it, it's 'in here' AND 'out there'. It's both subjective AND objective. It's dual AND non-dual. It's immanent AND transcendent. It's ineffable omnijective paradox.
Edited by Blue Mule (02/04/13 02:20 PM)
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peace of mind 1 said: But we all come from different walks of life and experience different situations that cause us to believe what we subjectively believe today. I went through all different phases of beliefs in my lifetime, some complete opposites of the one before. Experiences of this life are what craft our current perception of reality.
I personally don't believe I have any right to disrespect someones belief because I don't know what they have been through, what they've experienced, I've never walked in their shoes. I almost can't even believe in "Free Will" to much of an extent for the fact that we don't consciously make decisions, past experiences are what makes for us to decide on anything. Your mind simply favoring "yes" or "no" to a question in and of itself contradicts free will. You only believe your choosing because you're somehow convinced that "this" is what you want, whether it be past experiences, or just the feeling of "I want this" or "I don't". My point being, I try to understand anyone's perspective because they are who they are and have been crafted to be themselves as an individual.
Whether Religion, or any sense of more to life is an illusion or not, I have learned a lot taking bits and pieces out of any Faith I have come across in life, if not in some deep Spiritual way, then just in a regular life lesson. I don't believe that you can only choose one, I believe people are missing out. It can be a Fairy Tale for all I care, if I can read one line of it and say "Wow I can apply this to my life" then that's fine by me.
I do believe that Death brings us more though. Even if we do truly just Die and cease to exist, then that to me is eternal sleep, which to me, seems absolutely Heavenly and Peaceful. Perhaps the "oneness" we all hope for is just merely eternal sleep. We aren't aware of existence when we are asleep, and it doesn't please nor bother us. To me, that in and of itself is Heaven enough for me.
I was kinda trying to type up a reply that you pretty much covered quite well, it even had similar stuff about free will in it! haha
"beliefs" lol, people get crazy 'bout 'em
My favorite phrase is "I don't know"
Edited by Hiro (02/04/13 02:34 PM)
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Re: God Is A Higher Form Of Myself [Re: joemolloy]
#17745482 - 02/04/13 05:48 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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joemolloy said:
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YOU ARE GOD
I'm a pleasure-seeking, pain-avoiding human with prewired programs and instincts to survive and fuck. It would be nice to be God, but that's a leap, even a metaphorical one, that would put me in the realms of Christianity or other silly ideas. You're a bag of meat, temporarily moving about for food and pussy, and then you'll die, rot, and disappear. That's as far as anyone can tell, anything beyond that is wild speculation, outright lies, or drug-induced poetry.
Hahahaha!!!!!!!..... that was awesome Joe!
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