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Tmethyl
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The official bubble wrap tek 20
#17736027 - 02/03/13 12:13 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Disclaimer: You cannot make an optimal environment more optimal. If you have a perfect environment, there is no need for any WP/BW. Nor will you benefit from BW/WP if your cultural environment is optimal without it. This is a tool, if you are having no issues with pin sets, pinning speed, or humidity, you need not use bubble wrap or wax paper.
So before actually writing this explanation on bubble wrap I made sure it was tested by many cultivators, noobs and veterans, instead of just myself. I've been using it personally for about 4 months, I've thoroughly tested the small and large bubble styles which it comes in, and neither of them showed any real benefit over the other(except it's more fun to pop to bigger bubbles, you know what I mean ) I can say without a doubt, it is proven. It works better than wax paper, allows more light through the to substrate, is less maintenance, it can also be sanitized and reused forever. The entire concept is quite obviously from the original Wax Paper casing created by Faht, and nurtured by RogerRabbit over the years, I merely improved upon it by experimentation with many materials, and discovering the true magic that is bubble wrap. I'll make it as concise as possible, but I'll also touch upon the wax paper tek, since there is very little facts known about it as well.
Some things you need to know about bubble wrap casing(these mostly apply to wax paper as well):
Bubble wrap is the perfect material because the bubbles lift the plastic off the substrate, and the natural air channels between each bubble, these air channels keep air moving underneath which wicks water away, allowing for crucial evaporation(a main pinning trigger). It is also completely translucent, and does not diffuse any light.
The purpose of bubble wrap/wax paper is it maintains a very humid climate directly above the substrates surface thus inducing primordia formation (pinning). When using bubble wrap the pin sets tend to be dramatically more even and full, and they all mature at a closer rate making harvesting easier and giving you more beautiful photos to take with your camera(You better share those photos too ). I'll also add that monotubs do benefit from the wax paper, but not nearly as much as a tray, or other bulk substrate placed into a greenhouse or SGFC. It is especially important to use bubble wrap or wax paper when you're having troubles maintaining proper humidity, slow or no pinning, question the validity of your hygrometer, or have poorly constructed fruiting chambers.
It is to be applied when your substrate is put into fruiting conditions, in monotubs it is to be applied when you insert the polyfil. Do not hesitate to apply the wax paper or bubble wrap, the sooner you place it on the substrate the better. When you place a substrate into fruiting conditions, you also expose it to open air. Open air is contaminated, no matter where you live, or how clean you think your house is. Mold spores are floating around in the air and will be landing on the bubble wrap or wax paper instead of your substrate. This is why you apply it as early as possible. It not only induces pinning, but acts as a shield(or artificial atmosphere) thus prolonging the life of your substrate.
Lift the bubble wrap to mist and fan as usual, but keep in mind much less misting is necessary when using bubble wrap. I only fan. (Before you mist, be sure that all of the moisture from the previous misting has completely evaporated off, neglecting to do so can cause bacterial issues and aborted mushrooms)
Wax paper is most effective on uncased substrates. No need to case your substrate and use bubble wrap. Just use bubble wrap.
Bubble wrap and wax paper can induce pinning up to one week sooner than not using it. But keep in mind that many environmental and genetic factors can play a big role in this estimation.
You can sanitize (then rinse) the bubble wrap with 70% iso alcohol before each use. Do not attempt to sanitize wax paper.
Wax paper or bubble wrap can be used AS a fruiting chamber by themselves. No need for a fancy greenhouse, or SGFC (although they have many more applications, and generally provide a better environment). It's quite simple and has been tested by myself and RR as far as I know. Make a bulk substrate tray, or even a large cake, allow it to colonize, etc. Then sit in anywhere you want, I prefer near a window. Drape wax paper or bubble wrap over it so that it is completely covered and there is some excess, you may need to use larger pieces as the mushroom grow taller. That's it. That's a fruiting chamber, or fruiting tent is more accurate. It works quite well might I add. Here is a picture that proves the concept of 'fruiting tent', this is a picture taken by RR:
 These are healthy mushrooms, with no conventional fruiting chamber. Only plastic, doing the same exact thing wax paper and bubble wrap do. (Note: I forgot to add this in, but you can also place typical BRF cakes into a tray, as many as you can fit, and use the above method with success)
Wax paper on 1/2pint cakes: I have worked with about 6 other cultivators who were all having problems with their BRF cakes not pinning (an obviously insufficient environment). Some of them had been waiting for pins for 14+ days. I developed an experimental method to help them out, and the results speak for themselves. All 6 of them got pins in 1-4 days after applying the wax paper. Here's how you do it: Using the jars which your cakes colonized in, wrap them loosely in wax paper or bubble wrap. Use some tape to hold it together. This will form a wax paper cup slightly larger than your cake. The difference in size creates a super humid gap between the cake and the wax paper, this 99% humidity environment induces pinning quickly. Lift the cups to mist and fan as usual. If you're skeptical, just make one cup and use it properly on one cake. You will see that this one cake pins faster and more evenly than the rest.
Do not use wax paper or bubble wrap if you are having an active problem cobweb mold. It can make cobweb mold a little too happy to handle. (The best treatment of cobweb mold is proper FAE, if you cannot supply enough FAE to remedy the cobweb mold, spray it with h202[peroxide])
You may safely leave the wax paper on all the way to harvest, the mushrooms will lift it up as they grow, but I prefer to remove it once the pin set is established and beginning to grow skyward.
Finally, a quick pictorial:
Here's my favorite bubble wrap but as I've already stated, any size bubbles will work, these are small bubbles:
 
Use your tub, or tray to trace a rough size in the bubble wrap, then cut it out. This piece will be a little to big and will need trimmed up.

Trim it so it looks like this pic. You do not want your bubble wrap against the sides of the container, you want a 1" gap on all four sides. In other words make sure the bubble wrap is smaller than your substrate, air needs to travel underneath and cannot do so if there is no gap.

Please feel free to share your experiences with bubble wrap and wax paper in all it's forms.
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Edited by Tmethyl (03/12/13 08:16 PM)
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Re: The official bubble wrap casing [Re: Tmethyl] 1
#17736085 - 02/03/13 12:24 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: The official bubble wrap casing [Re: SpitballJedi] 1
#17736238 - 02/03/13 01:05 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Excellent write up! Thanks for doing this! I am sure many people will benefit greatly from this.
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Re: The official bubble wrap casing [Re: SpitballJedi] 1
#17736269 - 02/03/13 01:12 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thank you for this, I am going to go BW and polyfil a tub right now! Will edit with pictures.
edit: Would have edited with pictures. Sadly, instead I'm here to say R.I.P., tub. The green meanie took her away. I'm having some horrible contam issues after switching to bags. I'm throwing in the bag towel for now!
Edited by TFpek (02/12/13 01:04 AM)
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Re: The official bubble wrap casing [Re: TFpek] 1
#17736293 - 02/03/13 01:19 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Tmethyl
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Re: The official bubble wrap casing [Re: LustyLocks] 1
#17736299 - 02/03/13 01:21 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Claybuddy said: I am sure many people will benefit greatly from this.
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TFpek said: I am going to go BW and polyfil a tub right now!
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Re: The official bubble wrap casing [Re: TFpek] 1
#17736315 - 02/03/13 01:29 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well not much in the way of experience to have anything to compare my first tub with (apart from cakes) but using the bubble wrap I got pins the very next day which did seem rather a coincidence! Great pin-set now too very excited! Thanks for this Tim!
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Re: The official bubble wrap casing [Re: Tmethyl] 1
#17736338 - 02/03/13 01:35 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Claybuddy said: I am sure many people will benefit greatly from this.
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Re: The official bubble wrap casing [Re: LustyLocks] 1
#17736416 - 02/03/13 02:06 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said:
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Claybuddy said: I am sure many people will benefit greatly from this.
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TFpek said: I am going to go BW and polyfil a tub right now!


ME TOO!!!!!111one
Very nice information to know...Just started my fruiting chambers..going out to buy bubble wrap first thing tomorrow. =) TY
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Tmethyl
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Re: The official bubble wrap casing [Re: Jman420] 1
#17736444 - 02/03/13 02:21 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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DELETED - Wow, I was high.
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Edited by Tmethyl (07/07/13 07:22 PM)
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Re: The official bubble wrap casing [Re: Tmethyl] 1
#17736470 - 02/03/13 02:32 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said:
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Jman420 said: going out to buy bubble wrap first thing tomorrow. =) TY 
It's.. happening.. The bubble wrap revolution.
It was foretold in the prophecies for generations.. but I never believed it. How do you prepare yourself for such an event? Guns? Supplies? Bomb shelters?
No.
Nothing can save you from the bubble wrap.
Alternate ending:
"OUR WEAPONS ARE USELESS AGAINST THEM!" (an army of zombies with bubble wrap armor)
"IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT WE USE, THE BUBBLE WRAP CUSHIONS OUR EVERY BLOW." (These zombies know whats up)
"EVERYONE FALL BACK!!" *pew pew, zip, pew, bang* (They are flanking you from the rear too, commander.)
Bubble wrap zombies win.
I don't even need to watch movies anymore with posts like these.
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Re: The official bubble wrap casing [Re: Tmethyl] 3
#17736486 - 02/03/13 02:36 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said: NEW ACRONYMS: BW, Bubble Wrap - WP, Wax Paper
So, is big bubble wrap BBW then?
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Re: The official bubble wrap casing [Re: Khii Khwaay] 1
#17736551 - 02/03/13 03:00 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Awesome man! Ill give it a try on some species 
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Re: The official bubble wrap casing [Re: Joust] 1
#17736582 - 02/03/13 03:15 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nice write up man, gonna try it on one of my tray in my sgfc, lets seee what happens.
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#17736759 - 02/03/13 04:51 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: The official bubble wrap casing [Re: slushie9090] 1
#17736816 - 02/03/13 05:22 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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so u can do this for cyans without 50/50?
Edited by King Reishi (02/03/13 05:38 AM)
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Re: The official bubble wrap casing [Re: King Reishi] 1
#17736825 - 02/03/13 05:27 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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nice (Y)
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Re: The official bubble wrap casing [Re: Khii Khwaay] 1
#17736917 - 02/03/13 05:57 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Khii Khwaay said:
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Tmethyl said: NEW ACRONYMS: BW, Bubble Wrap - WP, Wax Paper
So, is big bubble wrap BBW then?
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Re: The official bubble wrap casing [Re: Trippy_Smurf] 2
#17736975 - 02/03/13 06:18 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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In the sense of accuracy, using wax paper or bubble wrap, etc., creates a mini-fruiting chamber just above the substrate. It's not a casing. A casing layer does part of this job, but a casing also holds moisture for the flush.
I've done many trays in open air with no fruiting chamber just by using wax paper. You can even fold it creatively and use on brf cakes. I like the idea of the irregular surface of bubble wrap, and this is why we wrinkle up the wax paper first. I would worry about the plastic though and its effect on the tops of the fruits as they push it out of the way. Just be careful and lift it often to fan. RR
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Re: The official bubble wrap casing [Re: RogerRabbit] 1
#17737002 - 02/03/13 06:29 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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i have been using foil with the same results.....
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