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coco based coir and steer manure?
    #17730350 - 02/02/13 12:55 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

i got my grandma too pick me up coir (she is super cool) she got me steer manure, black gold vermiculite, and a brick of coco based coir. i just read up on coco based coir, and i found some negative feedback due to its lack of nutriton. if i mixe some steer manure in with it would it work?


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Re: coco based coir and steer manure? [Re: mike-ologist] * 1
    #17730373 - 02/02/13 01:01 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Go 1/3 steer manure, 1/3 coir and 1/3 vermiculite ... mix in 5% gypsum ... pasteurize it ... mix with grain spawn .. voila !


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Re: coco based coir and steer manure? [Re: uncle_rico]
    #17730394 - 02/02/13 01:09 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I dont have the money for gypsum or grain spawn, im gonna try to inoculate my coir/verm/steer mix idk if that workstho... idk if i realy understand spawn, i got the rest down to a T but spawn confuses me :/


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Re: coco based coir and steer manure? [Re: mike-ologist]
    #17730421 - 02/02/13 01:17 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

just reasearched more and now i feel stupid haha im not using a grain spawn im using cakes haha im trying to use my verm coir steer, ill abreviate, VCS mix as my cake. would that inoculate and colinize right?


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Re: coco based coir and steer manure? [Re: uncle_rico]
    #24266693 - 04/23/17 04:18 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Go 1/3 steer manure, 1/3 coir and 1/3 vermiculite ... mix in 5% gypsum ... pasteurize it ... mix with grain spawn .. voila !




Old post I know.  Given that I will be pasteurizing in quart jars, how long can I store this before using it?  Can I seal it after pasteurizing? Doing the math it looks like ~8 quarts per tub, can I do it ahead of time so I don't find myself trying to do a bunch in one day.....

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Re: coco based coir and steer manure? [Re: dlcain]
    #24266718 - 04/23/17 04:33 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

NOPE, pasteurizing only gives you a window. Pasteurize and sterilize are not the same thing. You want to use ASAP after you pasteurize.


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Re: coco based coir and steer manure? [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #24266819 - 04/23/17 05:21 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23989353

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I use only coir, you don't need fancy substrate for yield. maximize the yield you get from the amount of spawn you use.

if you use coir you don't have to dick around with pasteurization at all

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Re: coco based coir and steer manure? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24266928 - 04/23/17 06:23 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Using only coir kind of sucks unless you are really dialed in...I'm sure it works great for Bodhi, but it is not user friendly for all IMO. Too dense, too small of particles and low porosity in comparison to CVG... Tends to get wet and stay wet.

Running uncased, and esp. uncased straight coir is also not really a beginners game either.

If you get dialed with these methods they obviously can work very well.

CVG is just so easy.


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Re: coco based coir and steer manure? [Re: Crispykoot]
    #24267315 - 04/23/17 09:25 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I don't really consider it difficult a lot of people just over do the adjustments thinking they're helping

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Re: coco based coir and steer manure? [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #24267374 - 04/23/17 10:07 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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NOPE, pasteurizing only gives you a window. Pasteurize and sterilize are not the same thing. You want to use ASAP after you pasteurize.



This is correct.  Pasteurization, and sterilization operate on the same principle, though, which is the application of two separate heat ranges to knock back invader spores to the point where healthy cultures inoculated in a timely fashion will be able to consume them before they can recover. 

Since pasteurization is a much lower heat application, than sterilization, pasteurization spoils faster, than sterilization.  Sterilization will eventually go sour as well.  Pasteurization also keeps microbes that prey on invader spores alive.  Sterilization wipes the slate clean of all living microbes.


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