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If (Gore / Nader) had won...?
    #1770259 - 08/01/03 06:12 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

What would the last few years have been like?

Let's assume that the 9/11 attack would have still happened.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1770279 - 08/01/03 06:15 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I think...
taxes would be higher.
spending would be higher.
immigration would be higher.
guns ownership would have faced a brutal attack.
the internet would be renamed the GoreNet.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1770311 - 08/01/03 06:21 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

What about the war? I was just talking to this guy at a bar the other night, and he was all glad Bush was president because Gore is a pussy.

Which of them do youthink is the bigger pussy, and how do you think Gore would have handled Afghanistan, and Iraq?


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1770325 - 08/01/03 06:25 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I think that Afghanistan would still be in the hands of the Taliban, though there would have been some sort of strike against Al Queda camps, similar to the 98 missile strikes.

Iraq would not have been dragged back under the microscope, and would be much as it was in 2000. Sanctions reduced, maybe, since there was pressure in that direction from Russia and France.

This assumes Gore won.

Nader, hell I don't know. Ship them some Corvairs and hope they all die in traffic accidents.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1770334 - 08/01/03 06:27 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Gore would have won the following would have happened.

After pulling Al out from under the desk of the oval office he would:

***Somehow blame the US for the Attacks on the WTC.
***Would NOT retaliate for the attacks
***Would enact the Patriot act but would call it the Environmental Act
***He would send 1000 peace keepers into afganistan
***He would replace those slaughtered 1000 peace keepers with 2000 peace keepers
***He would ask the kind terrorists to please stop the killings
***He would blast Isreal for defending themselves and use his office as an example of how to get things done.
***Raise taxes to help support the under-achievers
***figure out that there is no such thing as a lock box
***Tipper Gore would head the National Censorship Board
***Tipper Gore would be in and out of only the poshist loony bins
***Environmental concerns would be the top priority over the will of the people ie: saving the "hump backed tree spider"
***Make it illegal to build on your own property
***Ditches would be considered wetlands.

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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1770341 - 08/01/03 06:30 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

You know, Gore has actually been to a war, whereas Bush is the next best thing to a draft dodger.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1770347 - 08/01/03 06:32 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

so what?

going to war doesn't mean you can run one.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1770375 - 08/01/03 06:41 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

F.D.R. was a damn good war leader, So was Churchill. Neither served in uniform. I don't think it's strictly relevant.



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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1770426 - 08/01/03 06:53 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Just my two cents, whether you want it or not. It IS a free country after all...America anyway...I cant say anything for you wierdos...

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***Somehow blame the US for the Attacks on the WTC.



You dont think the blatant disrespect that America has for the millions of people in the Middle East contributed to the feelings that made those hijackers so mad? America IS, at the very least, half responsible for the attacks.

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  ***Would NOT retaliate for the attacks



And what has Bush done to respond to the attacks? He continues to support Israel and breed MORE hatred of the U.S.. He took over Iraq, a country that has NOTHING to do with 9/11, by his admission.  He toppled the Taliban, creating a situation of extreme lawlessness and chaos in Afghanistan. Oh, yes. Revenge is sweet....

Now, I'm gonna skip a few, we may come back to them, time permitting.
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***He would blast Isreal for defending themselves and use his office as an example of how to get things done.




Yeah Inny. I see your point. Israel should in no way, shape, or form be responsible for the Palestinians they kill. Women? Children? Bah, they're just Muslims, right?  What about the right of THEM to defend themselves? Israel slaughters them INDISCRIMINATELY, and they do the same thing. But Israel has some sort of moral high ground? Bullshit...

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  ***Raise taxes to help support the under-achievers



Because god knows, helping those who are down on their luck should be a SIN!!!  Drug rehab programs suck, I know.  Oh, and feeding starving kids? That sucks too...Christ. Are you THAT heartless that you want to see LITTLE CHILDREN STARVE?
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***Environmental concerns would be the top priority over the will of the people ie: saving the "hump backed tree spider" 



Species are destroyed every day. Species that may very well hold the cures for thousands of diseases that kill MILLIONS.  When your "Hump-Backed Tree SPider" turns out to have the cure for AIDS in its venom, I want to see you justify destroying its habitat so you could raise your canadian geese, or whatever it is you do.
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***Make it illegal to build on your own property 



It's already illegal to build on your own property without a permit. They're called "Zoning Laws".  I'm not sure what your talking about here...I assume you mean watershed laws and the things? Refer to above reply...

Now, back to above...
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***He would replace those slaughtered 1000 peace keepers with 2000 peace keepers 



And maybe they would actually DO something. What have the troops there done? Drug harvests are through the roof, People live in constant fear...I feel like I'm repeating myself...

Consider that your daily enlightenment lesson...  :smile:


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1770603 - 08/01/03 07:44 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Lesson in what? BS liberal tripe? :grin:


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1770622 - 08/01/03 07:49 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

>>>He would blast Isreal for defending themselves <<<

Maybe it's just my imagination, but it seems to me that Bush is being a little tougher on Israel than Clinton was. Something I approve of.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1770632 - 08/01/03 07:53 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Oh reeeeeeeeally? please explain.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1770652 - 08/01/03 07:57 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1770679 - 08/01/03 08:04 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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You dont think the blatant disrespect that America has for the millions of people in the Middle East contributed to the feelings that made those hijackers so mad? America IS, at the very least, half responsible for the attacks. 




nope, sorry.  not to blame at all. try again.

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And what has Bush done to respond to the attacks? He continues to support Israel and breed MORE hatred of the U.S




So siding with Isreal breeds hate?  wow that's great.  I oppose homocide bombings, i'd say that is hate.

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Yeah Inny. I see your point. Israel should in no way, shape, or form be responsible for the Palestinians they kill. Women? Children? Bah, they're just Muslims, right?




Homocide bombers target civilians, Isreal does not target them as a primary objective.  To say otherwise is wrong.
From your flip remark about them being Muslim: You have it in your thick yet empty skull that i have some sort of hatred towards Muslims. How many Muslims do you have contact with?  The ones that i am friends with would differ from your generalization.  As with most groups out East i despise the radical groups, you may support them, i'd rather not.

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He toppled the Taliban, creating a situation of extreme lawlessness and chaos in Afghanistan.




It would probably do you good to actually know what the fuck you are talking about.  Women can now go out in public in order to get an education in Afganistan, women have rights now.  Afganistan is better today than it has been in our life time.  People aren't being tortured for play anymore either.  But i see you support them as well. Good job :thumbup:

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Israel slaughters them INDISCRIMINATELY, and they do the same thing. But Israel has some sort of moral high ground? Bullshit... 




Yeah Isreal goes into shopping malls and blows things up INDISCRIMINATELY....uh wait a minute, i meant the radical Palastinians.

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Because god knows, helping those who are down on their luck should be a SIN!!! 




So someone who can work that decides not to is someone down on their luck? Cry me a fuckin' river.

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Oh, and feeding starving kids?




What the fuck are you talking aboot?

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hat sucks too...Christ. Are you THAT heartless that you want to see LITTLE CHILDREN STARVE? 




Yes you figured it out my mission in life is to make sure every child in the world starves to death,  Get your head out of your ass.

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Species are destroyed every day. Species that may very well hold the cures for thousands of diseases that kill MILLIONS. When your "Hump-Backed Tree SPider" turns out to have the cure for AIDS in its venom, I want to see you justify destroying its habitat so you could raise your canadian geese, or whatever it is you do.





Species die off everyday naturally, but telling someone they cannot develope their own land because there is a possibility that some Gnat might land on it is not only laughable but pathetic.  You can discuss all the "woulda, coulda, shoulda' you want but when the smoke clears it's just a steaming pile of BS.

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It's already illegal to build on your own property without a permit. They're called "Zoning Laws". 




No shit genius, that's not what i was referring to, besides a permit is free in my city.

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I'm not sure what your talking about here...I assume you mean watershed laws and the things? Refer to above reply...





go back and read my humpback spider analogy and you'll figure it out....hopefully.

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And maybe they would actually DO something.




yeah because we all know how successful our peace keepers are...Correction, the 2000 peace keepers would be replaced with 4000  peace keepers after the last 2000 were slaughtered.

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Drug harvests are through the roof, People live in constant fear...I feel like I'm repeating myself...




and none of it makes sense...huh.

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Consider that your daily enlightenment lesson... 




great a lecture from a self rightous libbie.  I'm not impressed. 

With all that said i was making light of the possibility of Gore becoming president.  Actually i don't think he'd come out from under the desk.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1770690 - 08/01/03 08:07 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

this is another:

Bush just doesn't get it

The US president has allowed himself to be comprehensively bamboozled by Ariel Sharon, says Simon Tisdall. Peace is as far away as ever

Thursday July 31, 2003

Not a little hope attached to this week's talks in Washington between the US president, George Bush, and the Israeli prime minister, Ariel Sharon.
Violence between Israelis and Palestinians has fallen sharply in recent weeks. Both sides have spoken in positive terms about the prospect of peace; both have made gestures, albeit mostly verbal, towards attaining that goal.

Not a little fear attended the talks, too. The fear, for Israelis and Palestinians but also for the many others who yearn for a just end to this interminable conflict, is that without urgent, substantive steps forward - along the lines laid out by the international "road map" - a golden opportunity may be lost.

Mr Bush put a characteristically optimistic spin on his discussions with Mr Sharon and, last week, with the Palestinian prime minister, Mahmoud Abbas. "I think we're making pretty good progress in a short period of time," he said.

He might think that is the case. He might wish it to be so. But there are three basic grounds for challenging Mr Bush's rosy judgment.

The first cause for concern arises from the sight of Mr Sharon, standing alongside the US leader, reiterating in uncompromising terms his preconditions for negotiations on the fundamental issues that separate the two peoples.

If anything, Mr Sharon hardened his position. He made no mention, as he has in the past, of Israel's acceptance of a future Palestinian state; he made no reference, as before, to the unsustainability of the occupation of Palestinian land; and perhaps most ominously of all, he omitted all direct reference to the "road map".

"I wish to move forward with a political process with our Palestinian neighbours," Mr Sharon said. "And the right way to do that is only after a complete cessation of terror, violence and incitement, full dismantlement of terror organisations, and completion of the reform process of the Palestinian Authority."

The key word in this sentence is "after". What Mr Sharon was saying, indeed demanding, was that Mr Abbas disarm, disband, and possibly lock up, leaders and members of militant organisations such as Hamas and Islamic Jihad, before Israel does anything substantive by way of reciprocal measures.

Mr Sharon appeared to anticipate failure, even to expect it. "We are thankful for every hour of increased quiet," he said. "At the same time, we are concerned that this welcome quiet will be shattered any minute as a result of the continued existence of terror organisations which the Palestinian Authority is doing nothing to eliminate."

His remarks, in a prepared statement, also seemed to imply that Mr Abbas must achieve complete political control within the authority, including ousting Yasser Arafat from any position of real influence or executive authority for good, before Israel would act.

Mr Sharon is asking for the impossible, as he must know very well. For the second reason for challenging Mr Bush's optimistic assessment is that Mr Abbas has neither the political nor military power to satisfy these Israeli demands at this stage, even if he were fully minded to do so.

His position remains weak, as is to be expected after only a few, controversial months presiding over a government divided and impecunious after years of intifada. He cannot issue fiats or make demands without risking his own downfall, or worse, an inter-Palestinian conflict. If he makes promises he cannot deliver, his credibility will be undermined among his supporters, opponents, and among the Israeli public.

He has no choice but to tread carefully. He needs real Israeli concessions, not mere gestures. So far they have not been offered.

Mr Abbas is already accused by some of his own people of collaborating with the Israelis, of being a dupe or a stooge. They say his policy of engagement, before and since the Aqaba summit, has brought few tangible results. They say the handful of prisoner releases, the charades over the uprooting of "unauthorised outposts", and the very limited military withdrawal, are proof not of Mr Sharon's good faith but of his duplicity.

They say, in short, that Mr Abbas is being taken for a ride, that the Americans are not really pushing Mr Sharon, and indeed, that Mr Sharon is to a lesser extent taking Mr Bush for a ride, too.

It would be comforting to reject all this and say it is merely the product of years of bloodshed and abiding distrust, that all will be well in the end.

But when Mr Sharon in Washington went on to defy the US president, to his face, over Israel's construction of the West Bank security wall, and to ignore the road map's requirement for a freezing of settlement activities, Palestinian suspicions that he is engaged in the old game of talking peace while seizing more and more Palestinian land understandably deepen.

In terms of the bottom line, all Mr Sharon committed Israel to do was to take unspecified "additional steps ... if calm prevails and we witness the dismantlement of terror organisations". This is no commitment at all. And still Mr Bush kept smiling.

In truth, Mr Bush himself is the third reason why optimism seems misplaced at the end of this week's talks.

He says things are moving forward quickly. But he ignores the fact that he wasted two years after he came into office, during which time the conflict grew ever more embittered and entrenched. The opportunity for action is now very limited, partly as a result.

Mr Bush says he and his advisers are committed to the "road map" and making peace work, in line with the timetable for establishing a Palestinian state by 2005. But in reality, they are massively distracted by Iraq, where problems mount, and by broader domestic controversies that are building as the US election year approaches.

Enforced regime change in Iraq is not facilitating the Arab-Israeli peace process, as Mr Bush has frequently claimed it would. If anything, the controversial US policy is obstructing it, just as it did for different reasons before Saddam Hussein's downfall.

Mr Bush also seems quite happy to be almost blatantly bamboozled by Mr Sharon, who is a much more wily and subtle politician that the former Texas governor will ever be accused of being. The Israeli leader must be privately delighted to have a US counterpart who is so easy to handle.

The way Mr Sharon flatters him so outrageously suggests just a smidgin of an older man's condescension.

But Mr Bush's biggest blind spot stems not from his vanity, but from his utter, simplistic determination to cast the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in the fundamental, black and white, for-us-or-against-us terms of his "war on terror".

"Those who want to destroy the peace process through terrorist activities must be dealt with," he said this week, "There will be no peace if terrorism flourishes... The rise of a peaceful Palestinian state and the long-term security of the Israeli people both depend on defeating the threat of terrorist groups." He went on: "The Palestinian Authority must undertake sustained, targeted and effective operations to confront those engaged in terror."

In other words, Mr Bush seems to have bought, in its entirety, Mr Sharon's Machiavellian proposition that any act of "terrorism", however loosely defined, may constitute justification for more foot-dragging by Israel, or even for a de facto suspension of the entire peace process. On this basis, logically, terrorists who oppose the "road map" process (like those politicians in Israel and the US who also oppose it) will always win.

For Mr Bush, the definition of "terrorist" appears to be almost infinitely expandable in the Israel-Palestine context, as in Iraq and elsewhere.

There is no apparent thought given to notions of legitimate self-defence, or deterrence of prior aggression, or struggle against the most provocative breaches of international law - or simply, against the daily theft of land, liberty and livelihood. His few, supposedly balancing phrases about Palestinian rights and Israeli obligations are hopelessly inadequate.

Mr Bush, it seems, just does not get it. He cannot be bothered to undertake the hard grind or to work the issues, as Bill Clinton did, preferring instead to grandstand, to clutch for credit and compliments and for "leadership moments" that look good on television. As a result, he is dangerously, and sadly, off the pace. For Mr Abbas, his complacency could be fatal. For Mr Sharon, it is a gift.

When a few Palestinian extremists finally run out of patience, or when somebody gets killed by the Israeli army, maybe by accident; and when somebody else retaliates and then, if and when the ceasefire collapses, the two sides turn on each other again, it will not be enough to say it is all the "terrorists'" fault. It will not be enough to shrug and say "we tried".

Having finally, belatedly taken charge of the peace process, Mr Bush is already running out of time and squandering rare, hard-won momentum. Before our eyes, the fragile hope of peace is being dissipated. But the US president, now off on holiday to his ranch in Texas, does not seem to realise it.



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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1770700 - 08/01/03 08:10 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

of course...time will tell!


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1770714 - 08/01/03 08:17 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

That article was all spin and speculation, more of just one person's observarions than anything substantial.

Besides, my arguement is that Bush is doing at least as much as Clinton as far as standing up to Israel. No, I don't think he does enough but he doesn't seem to have lowered the bar any.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1770814 - 08/01/03 08:43 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

yeah, the washington times is reeeeeeeeeeeeallly credible.

you do know that the times is owned by reverend sung myung moon right?
who is "A virulently anticommunist, self-proclaimed messiah".

the Times is a total peice of shit, i personally, have had a one on one email discussion with one of its editors, and he was a total dogmatic peice of shit, who labelled anyone who protested anything as a "communist"

Moon is trying to enforce his beliefs on the world, its a safe bet than anything he owns is pure propaganda,


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1770833 - 08/01/03 08:53 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

here is a quote from the owner of the washington times; Rev. Sun Myung Moon:

"Fifteen years ago, when the world was adrift on the stormy waves of the Cold War, I established The Washington Times to fulfill God's desperate desire to save this world. Since that time, I have devoted myself to raising up The Washington Times, hoping that this blessed land of America would fulfill its world-wide mission to build a Heavenly nation."

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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1770936 - 08/01/03 09:43 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

to answer the original question, gore certainly would not have capitalized so much on the whole uber nationalist facist doublespeak pathos speeches. that's the whole thing: gore's smart, not hitler.

fucking facists die die die.

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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: Malachi]
    #1771157 - 08/01/03 11:05 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

madtowntripper said:
You dont think the blatant disrespect that America has for the millions of people in the Middle East contributed to the feelings that made those hijackers so mad? America IS, at the very least, half responsible for the attacks.

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nope, sorry. not to blame at all. try again.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: Grav]
    #1771164 - 08/01/03 11:07 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Was there a point in there at all, or just fun with fonts?


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    #1771191 - 08/01/03 11:16 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Yup there definately was a point.

I think you just helped portray it even more, thanks.


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    #1771292 - 08/01/03 11:40 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Yup there definately was a point.

I think you just helped portray it even more, thanks


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    #1771377 - 08/02/03 12:09 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I'll respond nicely....Maybe you can practice the same? I know you CAN, I've seen you do it before...

1. Do you draw a big line between intentionally targetting civilians, as the Palestinians do, and not really caring how many you kill, as Israel does? The Palestinians kill MANY fewer innocent bystanders than Israel does. This is a FACT. So how are they worse? I dont understand...

2. WHO says the situation in Afghanistan is better than it is now? Certainly not the PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE. The people in the streets chanting, "Bring Back the Taliban.

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About the kids...What the "fook" I'm talking about is your hatred of ANY domestic aid programs. When I was in school, I lived with my mom. She worked, but couldnt afford lunch for me at school. So the GOVERNMENT paid for it. The Shelter I work at used to get nearly 50% of its funding from the government, now we get less than 20. The point I'm trying to make is that there are good ways to spend your money to help others.

EVERYONE who needs help isnt lazy, stupid, or worthless.
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Species die off everyday naturally, but telling someone they cannot develope their own land because there is a possibility that some Gnat might land on it is not only laughable but pathetic.



So where do you draw the line? What if the last fucking dolphin in the world lived in the ocean of your beachfront property, but you wanted to dump raw sewage...Do you have the right? I'm sure YOU say you do...But I dont see how your right to fuck up the environment impacts the right of another species to live...

I mean...what the fuck kind of place do you want to live in? Is your ideal world a place where everyoen just does whatever the fuck they want? With NO regard for how it impacts others?


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    #1771581 - 08/02/03 01:41 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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What if the last fucking dolphin in the world lived in the ocean of your beachfront property, but you wanted to dump raw sewage...




Well, since a single dolphin cannot reproduce anyway, I saw we pickle the fucker. It'll be worth a fortune in Japan.


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    #1771643 - 08/02/03 02:03 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Yea lets pickle all the sterile men, too... wastes of flesh!


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    #1771649 - 08/02/03 02:06 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

sexist.


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    #1771746 - 08/02/03 02:48 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

BABY HITLER: hey, you didnt defend the shitty media company you used to defend your belief, why not?


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    #1771833 - 08/02/03 03:20 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Don't feel I have any need to. What they reported were facts. The sincerity of the words would be a better focus of your attacks.


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    #1771869 - 08/02/03 03:39 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I'm so sick of this shit about how Al Gore would be sucking up to the Taliban and shit! His name's not Rainbow Gore, not Sunshine Gore, it's Al Gore, the guy who fought in Vietnam and supported the wars that Clinton waged. Do you really think he's that much of a dove? He's smart enough to know that there would be public outcry to find and kill the ones who perpetrated it.


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    #1771874 - 08/02/03 03:40 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Tru dat. I wonder what he would have done differently.


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    #1771876 - 08/02/03 03:41 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe I'm just imagining things but didn't Gore tecnnically win the election, (Electoral College, because the average man kind vote right)


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    #1771877 - 08/02/03 03:41 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

We probably wouldn't have gone to war with Iraq, at least not without weapons inspections being completed.


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    #1771881 - 08/02/03 03:42 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Maybe I'm just imagining things but didn't Gore tecnnically win the election, (Electoral College, because the average man kind vote right)



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    #1771907 - 08/02/03 03:55 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

The electoral college was set up to make sure the ignorant working class could not really vote, only lend their opinion to a group of well respected gentlemen to vote for them. That's why you originally needed property to vote, don't let the starving masses really choose anything, they may put us out of power. Protect the have from the have-nots (which outnumber them 1000-1).


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    #1771973 - 08/02/03 04:28 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I'm having a hard time understanding why conservatives who claim to be capitalist can defend the appropriation of palestinian land by Irael.

A lot of the palestinians still have deeds to land that is now being lived on by Israelis. But I guess little things like "deeds" and "ownership" and "private property" don't apply to opponents of the American and Zionist agendas.


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    #1771979 - 08/02/03 04:32 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

The 14th ammendment doesn't apply to foreign countries unfortunately.

I'm all for giving the Palestinians Eminent Domain, but if we just handed them cash, they's just use it to buy more bombs.

I want to see a palestinian state with free education and a whole lotta free other stuff paid for by America, the U.K., and Israel.


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    #1772216 - 08/02/03 07:50 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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1. Do you draw a big line between intentionally targetting civilians, as the Palestinians do, and not really caring how many you kill, as Israel does? The Palestinians kill MANY fewer innocent bystanders than Israel does. This is a FACT. So how are they worse? I dont understand...



Wrong. This has come up before. Here's the stats and the link to back them up.





using the following link from Iglous "proof", here's the tally from Sep 30, 2000 to Mar 15, 2002.

50 Israelis
63 Palestinians
5 Unknown
1 Palestinian from friendly fire
5 Palestinians who were playing with a tank shell.

That's 15 to 1?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,662081,00.html




2. WHO says the situation in Afghanistan is better than it is now? Certainly not the PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE. The people in the streets chanting, "Bring Back the Taliban.


Care to back that up? I've seen more clips of people who are glad the Taliban is gone than I have of those wanting them back.


3. Social programs suck ass.


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So where do you draw the line? What if the last fucking dolphin in the world lived in the ocean of your beachfront property, but you wanted to dump raw sewage...Do you have the right? I'm sure YOU say you do...But I dont see how your right to fuck up the environment impacts the right of another species to live...


I draw the line at private property rights.

Tell me where you saw anyone here advocating dumping sewage?

Your letting your rhetoric get the better of you.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1772225 - 08/02/03 08:00 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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it's Al Gore, the guy who fought in Vietnam



I'm pretty sure Albie was a journalist.







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Did Al Gore serve in Vietnam? Yes, he did. He spent five months there as a reporter/journalist.

"Mr. Gore enlisted in the Army on Aug. 7, 1969, reporting to Fort Dix, N.J. He was based at Fort Rucker, Ala., working as an information specialist. For a reason neither he nor the military can explain, Mr. Gore would remain at Fort Rucker for a lengthy period awaiting orders." "When they finally came, he would spend less than five months in Vietnam, arriving on Jan. 8, 1971, to write newspaper and magazine articles. He was discharged on May 24, 1971." (The Washington Times National Weekly Edition Nov. 28 - Dec. 4, 1994)

A five month stay in Vietnam is less than half the normal tour. Gore asked for and received an "early out" that May at a time when the 20th Engineers were standing down as part of a gradual U.S. troop reduction. (Washington Post. 12/31/99 pg. A1)

I know what people are thinking. They're probably thinking, "So? Your point is....?" The point is, I believe that Gore has misrepresented his Vietnam activities. Gore stated that he was "shot at" and that "I spent most of my time in the field" (The Washington Post, 2/3/88). In a March 1988 Vanity Fair article, Gore described his travel to various firebases where members of his engineering company were at work: "I took my turn regularly on the perimeter in these little firebases out in the boonies. Something would move, we'd fire first and ask questions later." Gore also stated to the Baltimore Sun that, "I pulled my turn on the perimeter at night and walked through the elephant grass, and I was fired upon." (reported in the Los Angeles Times 10/15/99 and The Washington Post 12/31/99) Gore had an M-16 rifle assigned to him, which he carried on only a few occasions. However, Gore refers to having an M-16 assigned to him, as well showing photographs of him with the rifle in political ads, as if carrying or using the rifle was something he did on a regular basis. (The Washington Post 12/31/99, The Washington Post 6/27/99)

According to Michael O'Hara, Gore's closest army buddy, "We never pulled guard duty in the field because we weren't part of those units. The only place we stood guard was back at Bien Hoa," the secure base where Gore lived. "It was the equivalent of being a school crossing guard. I know guys that didn't even take their rifles with them." (The National Review, November, 1999) Other soldiers with long experience in Vietnam said that Gore was treated differently from his fellow enlistees. H. Alan Leo, a photographer in the press brigade office where Gore worked as a reporter, said soldiers were ordered to keep Gore out of harm's way. "It blew me away," Leo said. "I was to make sure he didn't get into a situation he could not get out of. They didn't want him to get into trouble. So we went into the field after the fact [after combat actions], and that limited his exposure to any hazards." (Los Angeles Times 10/15/99) Leo described his half-dozen or so trips into the field with Gore as situations where "I could have worn a tuxedo." (Newsweek, 12/6/99) Gore's story changed to the more "accurate" version in his October 1999 interview with Talk magazine, though he wasn't asked why the story has now changed.

In Gore's first debate with Bill Bradley in October, 1999, Gore emphasized numerous times that he "came back from Vietnam." Do people really believe that this wasn't mentioned to give to give the impression that he went to Vietnam and fought for a period of time? Why else would he continually mention this?

Other statements about Gore's service also lead to the conclusion that he served in a combat role. In a Hardball rebroadcast on September 6, 1999, Chris Matthews, when speaking to Pat Buchanan, stated, "He [Al Gore] also fought in Vietnam, I mean, he served in Vietnam in a military capacity." This comment was preceded by a discussion of the baby boomer generation, and Pat Buchanan's comments about how many baby boomers fought in Vietnam. In November 1998, Gore attended an unveiling of three new postage stamps which recalled the fighting men of World War II and those who supported them on the home front. Gore is referred to as a Vietnam Veteran. (http://caller-times.com/autoconv/newsus98/newsus145.html) Yes, Gore is a Vietnam Veteran, but if Gore is at a ceremony which honors those who have fought in combat, and he is then referred to as a veteran, does this not imply that he too, fought in combat?


This of course isn't meant to be misleading -- right? I am sure he assumes everyone will realize that he served by spending five months writing articles. When Gore talks about "serving in Vietnam" and "carrying an M-16" and "being shot at" I'm sure he isn't expecting that people will assume he fought in combat, right?

Sure, and I have a private jet in my backyard. Really. A water jet on my sprinkler system! I am sure that by saying "jet" everyone assumed I was referring to my sprinkler, right?

People have also e-mailed me and claimed that Republicans such as Dan Quayle dodged the draft while Gore served his country. "Quayle and others just served in the National Guard," they cry. "They got preferential treatment because of who they were!" First, many people legally signed up for the National Guard instead of waiting for their draft notice. It wasn't just a "way for the rich to avoid serving" as some people often conclude. In fact, some National Guard units were called into combat. Company D, the most highly decorated Army in Vietnam, was a National Guard unit from Muncie, Indiana. Obviously, the chance of being called to Vietnam if one was in the National Guard was slim, but some units were called. I doubt those in Company D, who lost their lives in Vietnam, would be considered draft-dodgers. In addition, if one voluntarily enlisted in the Army, rather than taking a chance and waiting for a draft notice, he usually was not sent into combat and was instead given behind-the-lines jobs. According to Army historians, the fact that Gore enlisted, avoiding the vagaries of the draft, increased the likelihood that he would get the job he wanted. In practice, they said, the military favored those who joined voluntarily. (Washington Post 12/30/99)

Secondly, if people believe that those who enlisted in the National Guard "got in" because of preferential treatment, then they should acknowledge that Gore may have also received preferential treatment. If people conclude that entrance to the National Guard was based on preference, then they should acknowledge that it may not just be a coincidence that Al Gore, son of Senator Al Gore, landed a spot as a journalist for five months.

I must emphasize that the issue is not the fact that Gore served in Vietnam as a journalist, but that he and others, I feel, have tried to misrepresent his level of service. It is also hypocritical to on one hand, paint anyone who served in the National Guard as a draft-dodger who obtained preferential treatment, and on the other hand, deny that Gore could have benefited the same way.

If people want to talk about draft dodgers, perhaps they ought to start a discourse about Bill Clinton.




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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: danelectro]
    #1772226 - 08/02/03 08:02 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Maybe I'm just imagining things but didn't Gore tecnnically win the election, (Electoral College, because the average man kind vote right)



The Constitution and pre-existing election laws say no.

The Supreme Court merely upheld them.


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    #1772232 - 08/02/03 08:07 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

124 people in 18 months at an average of about 7 people a month?

That seems kind of low doesn't it?


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1772250 - 08/02/03 08:22 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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124 people in 18 months at an average of about 7 people a month?

That seems kind of low doesn't it?



Well, while the stats aren't mine, I'll say no it doesn't.

People have a tendancy to remember the bad news.

Perhaps you've heard the saying...
"Dog bites man" isn't news, "man bites dog" is? I think that applies here in that if there are no stories of people being killed few give it a thought. Besides the link is for non-combatents. (kids)


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1772260 - 08/02/03 08:34 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Well then, after looking at your statistics I would have to say that Israel is only a little worse than Palestinian terrorists.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1772359 - 08/02/03 09:57 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Heh, Gore still looks like Rambo compared to shrub.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1772616 - 08/02/03 12:57 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

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Maybe I'm just imagining things but didn't Gore tecnnically win the election, (Electoral College, because the average man kind vote right)



The Constitution and pre-existing election laws say no.

The Supreme Court merely upheld them.



Actually, since it was a case having to do with Florida law, the U.S. Supreme Court technically did not have jurisdiction over that case, and the Florida Supreme Court's decision should have been respected.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1772741 - 08/02/03 02:29 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I didn't say Gore would be sucking up to the Taliban, I think he'd do a Clinton-type missile strike and call it even, not send in ground troops.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1772765 - 08/02/03 02:42 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Actually, since it was an election for a federal office, which had it's own deadline, they did.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1773963 - 08/02/03 10:35 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Maybe I'm just imagining things but didn't Gore tecnnically win the election, (Electoral College, because the average man kind vote right)



The Constitution and pre-existing election laws say no.

The Supreme Court merely upheld them.




Bullshit. As you are so fond of saying, show me where in the Constitution and/or election law it says that a contested election may be rendered moot by judicial order.

And to boot, there was no "time frame" for deciding the election.

The US Supreme Court called a halt to the recounting of the Florida ballots at 2:30 pm on a Saturday afternoon, after Gore began to pick up votes during said recount. The reason for this?

2 of the Supreme Court justices had already announced their intention to retire in the next few years. Had Gore won, then a Democrat would have appointed the 2 new justices, swinging the Supreme Court political balance from a 6-3 conservative slant to a 5-4 moderate-liberal slant. Since they could not allow this to happen, and were not particularly excited (or willing) to serve for another 4, or even 8 years, the only logical step was to call a halt to the (legal - and necessary) recount of the Florida ballots, thereby assuring a Republican in the white house, Republican (conservative - and with Bush, likely right wing Christian-conservative) Supreme Court appointees, and a beautiful retirement in sunny northern Arizona.

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    #1777481 - 08/04/03 07:06 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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I'll respond nicely....Maybe you can practice the same?




Say things that aren't ignorant and I'll consider it.

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1. Do you draw a big line between intentionally targetting civilians, as the Palestinians do, and not really caring how many you kill, as Israel does?




First you'd have to prove that they do this but I bet you i could prove that the palastinians kill civilians.

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The Palestinians kill MANY fewer innocent bystanders than Israel does. This is a FACT.




source?

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2. WHO says the situation in Afghanistan is better than it is now? Certainly not the PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE. The people in the streets chanting, "Bring Back the Taliban.




Quite watching the BBC and do a little reading. To even suggest otherwise is pure ignorance...

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About the kids...What the "fook" I'm talking about is your hatred of ANY domestic aid programs.




Hatred for domestic aid? Give me an example. I'm not real happy with social programs but why not give me an example of my hate. (as a side note you don't see me starting threads aboot my hate for people)

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When I was in school, I lived with my mom. She worked, but couldnt afford lunch for me at school. So the GOVERNMENT paid for it. The Shelter I work at used to get nearly 50% of its funding from the government, now we get less than 20. The point I'm trying to make is that there are good ways to spend your money to help others.





If you've ever read anyones posts from the right, and i'm beginning to question that you have, you'll notice they say those that truley need it deserve the help. I don't know your situation and i have no reason to believe you so i'll just keep it at that.

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EVERYONE who needs help isnt lazy, stupid, or worthless.





Get your head out of your ass again and find ONE instance that i've ever said that they were. Quit making shit up.

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So where do you draw the line? What if the last fucking dolphin in the world lived in the ocean of your beachfront property, but you wanted to dump raw sewage...




WTF? I live in Michigan and that bastard would die before getting here. Who is pro raw sewage dumping here? You're starting to just make things up. If there is one left the species are pretty much fucked anyway.

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Do you have the right? I'm sure YOU say you do




WTF?

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But I dont see how your right to fuck up the environment impacts the right of another species to live...




get yer head out of your ass again...I probably contribute more to cleaning up the environment than you do.

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I mean...what the fuck kind of place do you want to live in?




i want to live in a place were people don't make up scenerios in their head to satisfy their whining libbie emotional side. How can i respond to any of your posts when you make things up. If i were as ignorant as some and read your posts i would assume that I would be all for dumping weapons grade plutonium in the water infested with Manatees...

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? Is your ideal world a place where everyoen just does whatever the fuck they want? With NO regard for how it impacts others?





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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1777483 - 08/04/03 07:09 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm so sick of this shit about how Al Gore would be sucking up to the Taliban and shit! His name's not Rainbow Gore, not Sunshine Gore, it's Al Gore, the guy who fought in Vietnam and supported the wars that Clinton waged.




I still feel he's be hiding under the desk, Vietnam or not....

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Do you really think he's that much of a dove?




yes

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He's smart enough to know that there would be public outcry to find and kill the ones who perpetrated it.




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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: GernBlanston]
    #1777507 - 08/04/03 07:32 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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And to boot, there was no "time frame" for deciding the election.




Sorry but there is a federal election law deadline.
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TITLE 3 > CHAPTER 1 > Sec. 1.
Sec. 1. - Time of appointing electors

The electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed, in each State, on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November, in every fourth year succeeding every election of a President and Vice President






And a Florida deadline.
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102.111 Elections Canvassing Commission.--
(1) Immediately after certification of any election by the county canvassing board, the results shall be forwarded to the Department of State concerning the election of any federal or state officer. The Governor, the Secretary of State, and the Director of the Division of Elections shall be the Elections Canvassing Commission. The Elections Canvassing Commission shall, as soon as the official results are compiled from all counties, certify the returns of the election and determine and declare who has been elected for each office. In the event that any member of the Elections Canvassing Commission is unavailable to certify the returns of any election, such member shall be replaced by a substitute member of the Cabinet as determined by the Director of the Division of Elections. If the county returns are not received by the Department of State by 5 p.m. of the seventh day following an election, all missing counties shall be ignored, and the results shown by the returns on file shall be certified.






And another view of the Florida fiasco...
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2 of the Supreme Court justices had already announced their intention to retire in the next few years.



Actually, none have announced any intention of retireing.





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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1777846 - 08/04/03 12:04 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:

The electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed, in each State, on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November, in every fourth year succeeding every election of a President and Vice President




If you'll notice, you'll find that this date refers to the date of the elections, not any arbitrary date by which disputes over the results of said elections must be resolved.

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And a Florida deadline.
Link



Yes - but even in your articles, it pionts out that the actions of the Florida Supreme Court, the Florida Secretary of State, and the Federal Supreme Court were without precedent.  The results of the election - not the wherabouts of the ballots - were under contest; these articles barely apply.

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And another view of the Florida fiasco...
Link



And for the love of... Dude, I could throw up links to the "Florida Fiasco" all day long that would contradict every link you throw up.  It serves no purpose.  I already know where to find stuff written by other people.  I post here because I want to know what y'all think - not be pointed at articles of regurgitated pablum.

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Actually, none have announced any intention of retireing.



Or, maybe you just didn't get the memo.  I have read that they have.  Rehnquist will be 80 years old next year, and has stated that he'd like  to retire by then.  Stevens and O'Connor have mentioned retirement as well.  Of course, now Ginsberg my have no choice but to retire due to her illness... and the loss of that particular voice and subsequent replacement with a Bush appointee would be the greatest blow to the fairness of the Court in it's history :frown:

 


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: GernBlanston]
    #1777932 - 08/04/03 12:55 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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If you'll notice, you'll find that this date refers to the date of the elections, not any arbitrary date by which disputes over the results of said elections must be resolved.



You can phrase it any which way you like, it's still a deadline. Which by the way, if that deadline has passed, the legislature of that state picks the electors. Now seeing as Florida had a Republican majority, whom do you suppose would have wound up as President?


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The results of the election - not the wherabouts of the ballots



I suggest you re-read that Florida link again if you came away from it thinking they are talking about physically missing ballots.


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And for the love of... Dude, I could throw up links to the "Florida Fiasco" all day long that would contradict every link you throw up. It serves no purpose. I already know where to find stuff written by other people. I post here because I want to know what y'all think - not be pointed at articles of regurgitated pablum.



Dude, methinks a better developed sense of humor would suit you. Perhaps the fact that I used the words "another view" rather than "more proof", should have given that away. Lighten up and laugh. It'll do you good.


And as for the Court, you used the term announced. I merely pointed out that to date, none have announced their intention to retire. There has been mumbles, speculation and 2nd and 3rd hand whispers. That hardly qualifies as an announcement.

And 3 or 4 Bush appointees to the SC would be a damn good thing. Perhaps he'll even give the job to some who can actually read what the constitution says rather than put their own unique spin on it.

While I wish no ill on anyone, I'd be quite happy should Ginsburg retire. Perhaps she can pursuade Souter to go along and keep her company.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1777959 - 08/04/03 01:10 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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And 3 or 4 Bush appointees to the SC would be a damn good thing. Perhaps he'll even give the job to some who can actually read what the constitution says rather than put their own unique spin on it.



Ya, and perhaps OJ really was innocent.  :rolleyes:


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1777968 - 08/04/03 01:13 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Well, while I doubt it, the jury seems to think so.

Not having been privy to the detailed evidence, I have to yield to their decision.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1777978 - 08/04/03 01:17 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

They showed all the evidence on live TV and reported it in the newspapers. I don't think anyone in that jury saw any evidence that the whole country didn't see.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1777999 - 08/04/03 01:24 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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They showed all the evidence on live TV and reported it in the newspapers. I don't think anyone in that jury saw any evidence that the whole country didn't see.



And you were informed of this by who exactly? You were on the jury? You have copies of each piece of evidence? You watched each and every minute of the trial?

Or did the Underpants Gnomes whisper in your ear?


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1778007 - 08/04/03 01:27 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Don't diss the Underpants Gnomes. They're very wise.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1778011 - 08/04/03 01:28 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Don't diss the Underpants Gnomes. They're very wise.



Hey.... I agree. That's why I asked.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1778053 - 08/04/03 01:44 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

that was a funny episode....did you go on a South Park marathon or something? a lot of references.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1778067 - 08/04/03 01:49 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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that was a funny episode....did you go on a South Park marathon or something? a lot of references.



It's on 5 nights a week so I record it on the PVR in my dish receiver and watch them late Friday or Saturday night.

Gotta love the PVR!


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1778706 - 08/04/03 05:41 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

The jury did not find OJ 'innocent' they found that he was not 'guilty beyond a reasonable doubt'.


Edited by wingnutx (08/04/03 05:43 PM)


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: wingnutx]
    #1778843 - 08/04/03 06:16 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

1. po-tay-toes, pah-tah-toes

2. I didn't say they had.. what I said, in response to a question, was...
"Well, while I doubt it, the jury seems to think so.

Not having been privy to the detailed evidence, I have to yield to their decision."


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1778865 - 08/04/03 06:24 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I cant figure out if Atomicfunksoldier is one of Alex's puppets or his girlfriend?


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1779046 - 08/04/03 07:30 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Not saying this applies to you, but many, many people do not know the difference.


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    #1779201 - 08/04/03 08:34 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Both.


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