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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: Malachi]
    #1771157 - 08/01/03 11:05 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

madtowntripper said:
You dont think the blatant disrespect that America has for the millions of people in the Middle East contributed to the feelings that made those hijackers so mad? America IS, at the very least, half responsible for the attacks.

Innvertigo responded:
nope, sorry. not to blame at all. try again.


i added the fonts.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: Grav]
    #1771164 - 08/01/03 11:07 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Was there a point in there at all, or just fun with fonts?


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1771191 - 08/01/03 11:16 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Yup there definately was a point.

I think you just helped portray it even more, thanks.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: Grav]
    #1771292 - 08/01/03 11:40 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Yup there definately was a point.

I think you just helped portray it even more, thanks


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1771377 - 08/02/03 12:09 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I'll respond nicely....Maybe you can practice the same? I know you CAN, I've seen you do it before...

1. Do you draw a big line between intentionally targetting civilians, as the Palestinians do, and not really caring how many you kill, as Israel does? The Palestinians kill MANY fewer innocent bystanders than Israel does. This is a FACT. So how are they worse? I dont understand...

2. WHO says the situation in Afghanistan is better than it is now? Certainly not the PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE. The people in the streets chanting, "Bring Back the Taliban.

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What the fuck are you talking aboot?




About the kids...What the "fook" I'm talking about is your hatred of ANY domestic aid programs. When I was in school, I lived with my mom. She worked, but couldnt afford lunch for me at school. So the GOVERNMENT paid for it. The Shelter I work at used to get nearly 50% of its funding from the government, now we get less than 20. The point I'm trying to make is that there are good ways to spend your money to help others.

EVERYONE who needs help isnt lazy, stupid, or worthless.
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Species die off everyday naturally, but telling someone they cannot develope their own land because there is a possibility that some Gnat might land on it is not only laughable but pathetic.



So where do you draw the line? What if the last fucking dolphin in the world lived in the ocean of your beachfront property, but you wanted to dump raw sewage...Do you have the right? I'm sure YOU say you do...But I dont see how your right to fuck up the environment impacts the right of another species to live...

I mean...what the fuck kind of place do you want to live in? Is your ideal world a place where everyoen just does whatever the fuck they want? With NO regard for how it impacts others?


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1771581 - 08/02/03 01:41 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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What if the last fucking dolphin in the world lived in the ocean of your beachfront property, but you wanted to dump raw sewage...




Well, since a single dolphin cannot reproduce anyway, I saw we pickle the fucker. It'll be worth a fortune in Japan.


Edited by wingnutx (08/02/03 01:50 AM)


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: wingnutx]
    #1771643 - 08/02/03 02:03 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Yea lets pickle all the sterile men, too... wastes of flesh!


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: Grav]
    #1771649 - 08/02/03 02:06 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

sexist.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: wingnutx]
    #1771746 - 08/02/03 02:48 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

BABY HITLER: hey, you didnt defend the shitty media company you used to defend your belief, why not?


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1771833 - 08/02/03 03:20 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Don't feel I have any need to. What they reported were facts. The sincerity of the words would be a better focus of your attacks.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1771869 - 08/02/03 03:39 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I'm so sick of this shit about how Al Gore would be sucking up to the Taliban and shit! His name's not Rainbow Gore, not Sunshine Gore, it's Al Gore, the guy who fought in Vietnam and supported the wars that Clinton waged. Do you really think he's that much of a dove? He's smart enough to know that there would be public outcry to find and kill the ones who perpetrated it.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1771874 - 08/02/03 03:40 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Tru dat. I wonder what he would have done differently.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1771876 - 08/02/03 03:41 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe I'm just imagining things but didn't Gore tecnnically win the election, (Electoral College, because the average man kind vote right)


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1771877 - 08/02/03 03:41 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

We probably wouldn't have gone to war with Iraq, at least not without weapons inspections being completed.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: danelectro]
    #1771881 - 08/02/03 03:42 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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danelectro said:
Maybe I'm just imagining things but didn't Gore tecnnically win the election, (Electoral College, because the average man kind vote right)



Unfortunately, the Supreme Court says no.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1771907 - 08/02/03 03:55 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

The electoral college was set up to make sure the ignorant working class could not really vote, only lend their opinion to a group of well respected gentlemen to vote for them. That's why you originally needed property to vote, don't let the starving masses really choose anything, they may put us out of power. Protect the have from the have-nots (which outnumber them 1000-1).


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: danelectro]
    #1771973 - 08/02/03 04:28 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I'm having a hard time understanding why conservatives who claim to be capitalist can defend the appropriation of palestinian land by Irael.

A lot of the palestinians still have deeds to land that is now being lived on by Israelis. But I guess little things like "deeds" and "ownership" and "private property" don't apply to opponents of the American and Zionist agendas.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1771979 - 08/02/03 04:32 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

The 14th ammendment doesn't apply to foreign countries unfortunately.

I'm all for giving the Palestinians Eminent Domain, but if we just handed them cash, they's just use it to buy more bombs.

I want to see a palestinian state with free education and a whole lotta free other stuff paid for by America, the U.K., and Israel.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1772216 - 08/02/03 07:50 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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1. Do you draw a big line between intentionally targetting civilians, as the Palestinians do, and not really caring how many you kill, as Israel does? The Palestinians kill MANY fewer innocent bystanders than Israel does. This is a FACT. So how are they worse? I dont understand...



Wrong. This has come up before. Here's the stats and the link to back them up.





using the following link from Iglous "proof", here's the tally from Sep 30, 2000 to Mar 15, 2002.

50 Israelis
63 Palestinians
5 Unknown
1 Palestinian from friendly fire
5 Palestinians who were playing with a tank shell.

That's 15 to 1?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,662081,00.html




2. WHO says the situation in Afghanistan is better than it is now? Certainly not the PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE. The people in the streets chanting, "Bring Back the Taliban.


Care to back that up? I've seen more clips of people who are glad the Taliban is gone than I have of those wanting them back.


3. Social programs suck ass.


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Species die off everyday naturally, but telling someone they cannot develope their own land because there is a possibility that some Gnat might land on it is not only laughable but pathetic.


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So where do you draw the line? What if the last fucking dolphin in the world lived in the ocean of your beachfront property, but you wanted to dump raw sewage...Do you have the right? I'm sure YOU say you do...But I dont see how your right to fuck up the environment impacts the right of another species to live...


I draw the line at private property rights.

Tell me where you saw anyone here advocating dumping sewage?

Your letting your rhetoric get the better of you.


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Re: If (Gore / Nader) had won...? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1772225 - 08/02/03 08:00 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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it's Al Gore, the guy who fought in Vietnam



I'm pretty sure Albie was a journalist.







Did Al Gore Serve in Vietnam?

By Carolyn Gargaro
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August 10, 1999
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Did Al Gore serve in Vietnam? Yes, he did. He spent five months there as a reporter/journalist.

"Mr. Gore enlisted in the Army on Aug. 7, 1969, reporting to Fort Dix, N.J. He was based at Fort Rucker, Ala., working as an information specialist. For a reason neither he nor the military can explain, Mr. Gore would remain at Fort Rucker for a lengthy period awaiting orders." "When they finally came, he would spend less than five months in Vietnam, arriving on Jan. 8, 1971, to write newspaper and magazine articles. He was discharged on May 24, 1971." (The Washington Times National Weekly Edition Nov. 28 - Dec. 4, 1994)

A five month stay in Vietnam is less than half the normal tour. Gore asked for and received an "early out" that May at a time when the 20th Engineers were standing down as part of a gradual U.S. troop reduction. (Washington Post. 12/31/99 pg. A1)

I know what people are thinking. They're probably thinking, "So? Your point is....?" The point is, I believe that Gore has misrepresented his Vietnam activities. Gore stated that he was "shot at" and that "I spent most of my time in the field" (The Washington Post, 2/3/88). In a March 1988 Vanity Fair article, Gore described his travel to various firebases where members of his engineering company were at work: "I took my turn regularly on the perimeter in these little firebases out in the boonies. Something would move, we'd fire first and ask questions later." Gore also stated to the Baltimore Sun that, "I pulled my turn on the perimeter at night and walked through the elephant grass, and I was fired upon." (reported in the Los Angeles Times 10/15/99 and The Washington Post 12/31/99) Gore had an M-16 rifle assigned to him, which he carried on only a few occasions. However, Gore refers to having an M-16 assigned to him, as well showing photographs of him with the rifle in political ads, as if carrying or using the rifle was something he did on a regular basis. (The Washington Post 12/31/99, The Washington Post 6/27/99)

According to Michael O'Hara, Gore's closest army buddy, "We never pulled guard duty in the field because we weren't part of those units. The only place we stood guard was back at Bien Hoa," the secure base where Gore lived. "It was the equivalent of being a school crossing guard. I know guys that didn't even take their rifles with them." (The National Review, November, 1999) Other soldiers with long experience in Vietnam said that Gore was treated differently from his fellow enlistees. H. Alan Leo, a photographer in the press brigade office where Gore worked as a reporter, said soldiers were ordered to keep Gore out of harm's way. "It blew me away," Leo said. "I was to make sure he didn't get into a situation he could not get out of. They didn't want him to get into trouble. So we went into the field after the fact [after combat actions], and that limited his exposure to any hazards." (Los Angeles Times 10/15/99) Leo described his half-dozen or so trips into the field with Gore as situations where "I could have worn a tuxedo." (Newsweek, 12/6/99) Gore's story changed to the more "accurate" version in his October 1999 interview with Talk magazine, though he wasn't asked why the story has now changed.

In Gore's first debate with Bill Bradley in October, 1999, Gore emphasized numerous times that he "came back from Vietnam." Do people really believe that this wasn't mentioned to give to give the impression that he went to Vietnam and fought for a period of time? Why else would he continually mention this?

Other statements about Gore's service also lead to the conclusion that he served in a combat role. In a Hardball rebroadcast on September 6, 1999, Chris Matthews, when speaking to Pat Buchanan, stated, "He [Al Gore] also fought in Vietnam, I mean, he served in Vietnam in a military capacity." This comment was preceded by a discussion of the baby boomer generation, and Pat Buchanan's comments about how many baby boomers fought in Vietnam. In November 1998, Gore attended an unveiling of three new postage stamps which recalled the fighting men of World War II and those who supported them on the home front. Gore is referred to as a Vietnam Veteran. (http://caller-times.com/autoconv/newsus98/newsus145.html) Yes, Gore is a Vietnam Veteran, but if Gore is at a ceremony which honors those who have fought in combat, and he is then referred to as a veteran, does this not imply that he too, fought in combat?


This of course isn't meant to be misleading -- right? I am sure he assumes everyone will realize that he served by spending five months writing articles. When Gore talks about "serving in Vietnam" and "carrying an M-16" and "being shot at" I'm sure he isn't expecting that people will assume he fought in combat, right?

Sure, and I have a private jet in my backyard. Really. A water jet on my sprinkler system! I am sure that by saying "jet" everyone assumed I was referring to my sprinkler, right?

People have also e-mailed me and claimed that Republicans such as Dan Quayle dodged the draft while Gore served his country. "Quayle and others just served in the National Guard," they cry. "They got preferential treatment because of who they were!" First, many people legally signed up for the National Guard instead of waiting for their draft notice. It wasn't just a "way for the rich to avoid serving" as some people often conclude. In fact, some National Guard units were called into combat. Company D, the most highly decorated Army in Vietnam, was a National Guard unit from Muncie, Indiana. Obviously, the chance of being called to Vietnam if one was in the National Guard was slim, but some units were called. I doubt those in Company D, who lost their lives in Vietnam, would be considered draft-dodgers. In addition, if one voluntarily enlisted in the Army, rather than taking a chance and waiting for a draft notice, he usually was not sent into combat and was instead given behind-the-lines jobs. According to Army historians, the fact that Gore enlisted, avoiding the vagaries of the draft, increased the likelihood that he would get the job he wanted. In practice, they said, the military favored those who joined voluntarily. (Washington Post 12/30/99)

Secondly, if people believe that those who enlisted in the National Guard "got in" because of preferential treatment, then they should acknowledge that Gore may have also received preferential treatment. If people conclude that entrance to the National Guard was based on preference, then they should acknowledge that it may not just be a coincidence that Al Gore, son of Senator Al Gore, landed a spot as a journalist for five months.

I must emphasize that the issue is not the fact that Gore served in Vietnam as a journalist, but that he and others, I feel, have tried to misrepresent his level of service. It is also hypocritical to on one hand, paint anyone who served in the National Guard as a draft-dodger who obtained preferential treatment, and on the other hand, deny that Gore could have benefited the same way.

If people want to talk about draft dodgers, perhaps they ought to start a discourse about Bill Clinton.




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