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Re: Datura Dreams... Datura Stramonium as a lucid dream enhancer? [Re: LuSiD9]
#17625003 - 01/28/13 05:36 PM (11 years, 27 days ago) |
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Didn't feel anything last night, had one dream that I remember but it was fairly mundane. I'll up the dose in a few days and see what happens.
Galantamine, cool. I'll have to look into that.
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Re: Datura Dreams... Datura Stramonium as a lucid dream enhancer? [Re: OnePerEyeM8]
#17625201 - 01/28/13 06:08 PM (11 years, 27 days ago) |
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if your looking for intense dreams, there are 2 almost garunteed things:
Nicotine Patches and "ZMA", a zinc-magnesium complex supplement, you can get it at GNC for the vitamine shoppe. maybe some pharmacies. their pretty much perfectly safe. i would expect a lot of false awakenings and intense dreams and nightmares. maybe lucid dreams
edit, i guess this thread is specifically about datura. still though
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Re: Datura Dreams... Datura Stramonium as a lucid dream enhancer? [Re: Adolin]
#17625317 - 01/28/13 06:29 PM (11 years, 27 days ago) |
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Dang right lol
I chewed that one seed of stramonium about 830. Didn't fall asleep til 1130 or later. Woke up at 620. Had a long wild dream and felt out of it and drowsy for the most part of work today. But I went running after work today and feel great
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Re: Datura Dreams... Datura Stramonium as a lucid dream enhancer? [Re: Seekingtruth]
#17625332 - 01/28/13 06:33 PM (11 years, 27 days ago) |
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Ahh, re-reading this thread is making me want to do some Datura soon. For anyone who's interested, here's a trip report of my experience with Stramonium seeds:
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The Entrée:
25 finely chewed seeds of Datura Stramonium, aged to racemize the hyoscyamine to atropine and the scopolamine to atroscine. Each seed is roughly 7-8 mgs, but alkaloid content of each seed varies too much to be consistent. 2 bowls of Blueberry Kush, cured to decarboxylate the THCA, and smoked approximately two hours after ingestion of the Datura.
I eye the small cluster of black, teardrop-shaped seeds in the palm of my hand with a mix of apprehension and usual pre-trip anxiety. They taste bitter with a hint of an earthy bite; not bad by any means but the hard husks get stuck in my teeth. I chew well and let the mass sit in my mouth for a few minutes to aid any sublingual absorption, and prepare to joyously delve into the bowels of torment and despair.
The Trip:
Eyes closed, pitch blackness. A sense of evil, a seductively malevolent vibe. Apprehension as the gears of my perspective slowly creak into the lower planes. Streaking spirals of light, growing brighter and brighter until... suddenly, break through. People and landscapes in perfect clarity as if I were watching through an invisible camera. A man turns towards his wife before stabbing her violently in the back. He rips the peeling flesh from her body as insects suddenly pour out. Cut. A pool of blood, undulating with red waves. Body parts falling in, silently splashing. No sound whatsoever to these visions. Cut. A wolf, black eyes, digging into an unidentifiable corpse. Strings of meat are dangling between its teeth. Cut. Many scenes of erotica, usually ending in gory climax. My skull is but a padded cell, the walls of which my inner demons bounce off. Themes of sadomasochism, violence punctuated by guilty pleasure. I hear sounds of sheer chaos. Screams, thumps. Dragging noises. Someone calling my name, louder, and louder. A gentle hiss and a bump. Cut. Spiders. Lots of spiders, pouring through the cracks of reality as if puncturing through this thin veil of ordinary life. I feel things gently running over my body. I don't open my eyes. Cut. Swinging bodies on nooses, burning. Fire, blood dripping as maggots squirm into the quivering flesh. I am carrying on a conversation with something, but I do not know what. My mind echoes with distorted fragments of meaning; snippets of grand truth ripped from this primeval chaos. Lots of blood. Death. Churning corpses being flayed. Rotating scenes of razor-sharp blades dissecting through my mind. I contemplate the nature of fear in all its manifestations--here there is true, unmitigated terror. A woman reaches back and rips the top part of her skull off; a horde of black moths flies out. I hear the whispering voices of angels. Cut.
I lift my eyelids and stare into the darkness of my room to find relief from the torrential deluge of demonic imagery. My wall is covered with crawling black things. Posters and my pull up bar, dimly seen in the nonexistent light, are bending at absurd angles and then popping back to their rightful shape. Swarms of gnats have infested my room, making the darkness heavier with their presence. The wall shudders as its cracks begin to disgorge countless more denizens of the shadows. I have welcomed in the eldritch beasties of the night, and I'm here to pay them homage. I close my eyes again, and sink further into the welcome depths of Hell itself.
The Aftermath:
From the intense effects that I was experiencing (including open-eyed visuals, auditory hallucinations, and a quite intense mental trip), I expected that I had ingested too much of the tropane alkaloids and that I would undergo the typical three-day delirium that comes with an overdose. However, I woke up the next morning feeling nothing but refreshed and revived with fresh exhilaration. There was also no anticholinergic loss of cognitive faculties during the experience, which I usually feel under high doses of diphenhydramine and the like. My best guess is that marijuana synergizes wonderfully with the Datura plant (in India the combination of smoking Datura Metel with Cannabis is supposed to unify Shiva, the male spirit, with Shakti, the female spirit), and that this combination allowed me to experience a form of divinatory visions and open-eyed deliria without being overly toxic or long-lasting.
I would not recommend this combination to anyone without first starting at low doses of 1 or 2 seeds and working your way up gradually with much time in between the doses. Datura is known to stress the cardiovascular system, and the combination with marijuana can put a great toll on the heart. Combine carefully and with low amounts. Silent meditation in the dark is good for best results, but I've also been able to use Stramonium before sleep for lucid dreaming purposes. Typically the trips manifest with an air of seductive evil, bloodshed, and death to them--things that I greatly enjoy as an alternative to the clichéd puppies and flowers atmosphere of most traditional psychedelics.
Tread the tropane waters carefully. Here there be demons.
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Re: Datura Dreams... Datura Stramonium as a lucid dream enhancer? [Re: deCypher]
#17625461 - 01/28/13 06:52 PM (11 years, 27 days ago) |
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I found what I believed to be datura inoxia awhile back when I was living in California. When I cracked the pods open the seeds were a dark tan color not black like everyone says. Are my seeds just not ripe or was my identification wrong? And will the work for lucid dreams Even though there tannish not black?
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Re: Datura Dreams... Datura Stramonium as a lucid dream enhancer? [Re: Dorfnob]
#17625498 - 01/28/13 06:58 PM (11 years, 27 days ago) |
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Mine are dark tan colored for stramonium
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Re: Datura Dreams... Datura Stramonium as a lucid dream enhancer? [Re: Seekingtruth]
#17625730 - 01/28/13 07:35 PM (11 years, 27 days ago) |
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Alright I'm going to try them again tonight then, I took 12 last night with no noticeable effects I didnt really dream either. Do they lose potency with age?
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Re: Datura Dreams... Datura Stramonium as a lucid dream enhancer? [Re: Seekingtruth]
#17626210 - 01/28/13 09:08 PM (11 years, 27 days ago) |
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My inoxia seeds are brown as well. I found some stramonium seeds I had totally forgotten about last night, and they're very dark brown, almost black.
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Seekingtruth said: Dang right lol
I chewed that one seed of stramonium about 830. Didn't fall asleep til 1130 or later. Woke up at 620. Had a long wild dream and felt out of it and drowsy for the most part of work today. But I went running after work today and feel great
Wow, that surprises me that that was from one seed. I'll admit I'm skeptical that those effects were anything more than the result of anxiety and placebo, but I'm open to the idea. I'll up my inoxia seed dose in a few nights, and if that doesn't do anything, then the next time around I'll try stramonium.
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Re: Datura Dreams... Datura Stramonium as a lucid dream enhancer? [Re: OnePerEyeM8]
#17627514 - 01/29/13 05:50 AM (11 years, 26 days ago) |
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Probably was placebo. The dream didn't feel much weirder than a normal wild dream. I'm not the kind of person that doesn't dream much. I usually have something, but this dream was detailed and archetypal. Either way most notable effect I had was how horribly dry my tongue was
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Re: Datura Dreams... Datura Stramonium as a lucid dream enhancer? [Re: Dorfnob]
#17629923 - 01/29/13 04:04 PM (11 years, 26 days ago) |
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Dorfnob said: Alright I'm going to try them again tonight then, I took 12 last night with no noticeable effects I didnt really dream either. Do they lose potency with age?
no, not really... unless you're talking years.
but the potency from plant to plant varies a shit load... and that's what makes datura such a dangerous gamble...
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Re: Datura Dreams... Datura Stramonium as a lucid dream enhancer? [Re: deCypher]
#17629963 - 01/29/13 04:09 PM (11 years, 26 days ago) |
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deCypher said: Ahh, re-reading this thread is making me want to do some Datura soon. For anyone who's interested, here's a trip report of my experience with Stramonium seeds:
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The Entrée:
25 finely chewed seeds of Datura Stramonium, aged to racemize the hyoscyamine to atropine and the scopolamine to atroscine. Each seed is roughly 7-8 mgs, but alkaloid content of each seed varies too much to be consistent. 2 bowls of Blueberry Kush, cured to decarboxylate the THCA, and smoked approximately two hours after ingestion of the Datura.
I eye the small cluster of black, teardrop-shaped seeds in the palm of my hand with a mix of apprehension and usual pre-trip anxiety. They taste bitter with a hint of an earthy bite; not bad by any means but the hard husks get stuck in my teeth. I chew well and let the mass sit in my mouth for a few minutes to aid any sublingual absorption, and prepare to joyously delve into the bowels of torment and despair.
The Trip:
Eyes closed, pitch blackness. A sense of evil, a seductively malevolent vibe. Apprehension as the gears of my perspective slowly creak into the lower planes. Streaking spirals of light, growing brighter and brighter until... suddenly, break through. People and landscapes in perfect clarity as if I were watching through an invisible camera. A man turns towards his wife before stabbing her violently in the back. He rips the peeling flesh from her body as insects suddenly pour out. Cut. A pool of blood, undulating with red waves. Body parts falling in, silently splashing. No sound whatsoever to these visions. Cut. A wolf, black eyes, digging into an unidentifiable corpse. Strings of meat are dangling between its teeth. Cut. Many scenes of erotica, usually ending in gory climax. My skull is but a padded cell, the walls of which my inner demons bounce off. Themes of sadomasochism, violence punctuated by guilty pleasure. I hear sounds of sheer chaos. Screams, thumps. Dragging noises. Someone calling my name, louder, and louder. A gentle hiss and a bump. Cut. Spiders. Lots of spiders, pouring through the cracks of reality as if puncturing through this thin veil of ordinary life. I feel things gently running over my body. I don't open my eyes. Cut. Swinging bodies on nooses, burning. Fire, blood dripping as maggots squirm into the quivering flesh. I am carrying on a conversation with something, but I do not know what. My mind echoes with distorted fragments of meaning; snippets of grand truth ripped from this primeval chaos. Lots of blood. Death. Churning corpses being flayed. Rotating scenes of razor-sharp blades dissecting through my mind. I contemplate the nature of fear in all its manifestations--here there is true, unmitigated terror. A woman reaches back and rips the top part of her skull off; a horde of black moths flies out. I hear the whispering voices of angels. Cut.
I lift my eyelids and stare into the darkness of my room to find relief from the torrential deluge of demonic imagery. My wall is covered with crawling black things. Posters and my pull up bar, dimly seen in the nonexistent light, are bending at absurd angles and then popping back to their rightful shape. Swarms of gnats have infested my room, making the darkness heavier with their presence. The wall shudders as its cracks begin to disgorge countless more denizens of the shadows. I have welcomed in the eldritch beasties of the night, and I'm here to pay them homage. I close my eyes again, and sink further into the welcome depths of Hell itself.
The Aftermath:
From the intense effects that I was experiencing (including open-eyed visuals, auditory hallucinations, and a quite intense mental trip), I expected that I had ingested too much of the tropane alkaloids and that I would undergo the typical three-day delirium that comes with an overdose. However, I woke up the next morning feeling nothing but refreshed and revived with fresh exhilaration. There was also no anticholinergic loss of cognitive faculties during the experience, which I usually feel under high doses of diphenhydramine and the like. My best guess is that marijuana synergizes wonderfully with the Datura plant (in India the combination of smoking Datura Metel with Cannabis is supposed to unify Shiva, the male spirit, with Shakti, the female spirit), and that this combination allowed me to experience a form of divinatory visions and open-eyed deliria without being overly toxic or long-lasting.
I would not recommend this combination to anyone without first starting at low doses of 1 or 2 seeds and working your way up gradually with much time in between the doses. Datura is known to stress the cardiovascular system, and the combination with marijuana can put a great toll on the heart. Combine carefully and with low amounts. Silent meditation in the dark is good for best results, but I've also been able to use Stramonium before sleep for lucid dreaming purposes. Typically the trips manifest with an air of seductive evil, bloodshed, and death to them--things that I greatly enjoy as an alternative to the clichéd puppies and flowers atmosphere of most traditional psychedelics.
Tread the tropane waters carefully. Here there be demons.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9479195#9479195
I fucking love reading this report every time...
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Re: Datura Dreams... Datura Stramonium as a lucid dream enhancer? [Re: LuSiD9]
#17630227 - 01/29/13 04:49 PM (11 years, 26 days ago) |
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It would be nice if there was a way to do a simplistic, standardized extraction.
As I said earlier, scopolamine is available in Britain and Australia over-the-counter as pills and patches.* Perhaps some of you experimenters would like to determine how it compares to datura.
*Goes by an older name: hyoscine.
This happend to my mother on a cruise that we had all decided to take for a family trip. We had all gotten some scopolamine patches from the pharmacist, which is suppost to help with motion sickness. She was waring one on her neck and aparently after a day or so thought it came off in the shower, when it had infact fallin on her back. She put on another patch on her neck unaware of the other patch. She began complaning about being very clostrophobic(My mom's clostrophobic anyway so I dont know if that would affect anyone else, but she was REALLY noticing it) and her eyes had become dilated somewhat. Within several hours she began halicunating and was walking around our cruse ship in a dreamy state having mild haliculitations. She almost walked right off the boat! After removing the patches she returned to normal within the next day or so. It was very strange and at the time we thought nothing about it, untill i came across scopolamine on this site. I also recall myself having touched one of the patches and then rubbing my eye, which caused it to be dilated for several days. No other side affects though. I hope this helps you.
"Dreamy Confusion: experience with Scopolamine (patch) (ID 36749)". Erowid.org. Sep 15, 2004. erowid.org/exp/36749


"Pharmacology for Anesthetists 5," John D. Current, M.D. http://books.google.com/books?id=RJpEbB9_c9MC&pg=PA195
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Re: Datura Dreams... Datura Stramonium as a lucid dream enhancer? [Re: s240779]
#17630748 - 01/29/13 06:13 PM (11 years, 26 days ago) |
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Anyone else have any experiences to add?
I was recently gifted a baby datura plant from a neighbor so naturally am curious.
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Re: Datura Dreams... Datura Stramonium as a lucid dream enhancer? [Re: Seekingtruth]
#17630796 - 01/29/13 06:20 PM (11 years, 26 days ago) |
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Seekingtruth said: Hahaha report back. I chewed up one stramonium seed. I noticed my tongue was DRY all night or seemed like it was. And still is this morning. Defitinitely had vivid dreams, nothing wild but very cool.
Are we supposed to wait a few days before upping the dose? I was unsure if these chemicals accumulate in the body.
Definitely wait a few days before trying it again. From my experience, it does have a cumulative effect.
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Re: Datura Dreams... Datura Stramonium as a lucid dream enhancer? [Re: Aquila chrysaetos]
#17630938 - 01/29/13 06:41 PM (11 years, 26 days ago) |
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Will do. I just got my order of kava with a sample of kratom!!! So I'll be busy for a while lol
Kava and stramonium seeds might be interesting for dreams
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Re: Datura Dreams... Datura Stramonium as a lucid dream enhancer? [Re: Seekingtruth]
#17631108 - 01/29/13 07:11 PM (11 years, 26 days ago) |
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Sweet! Kava is pretty incredible. It's surprising to me that it's barely ever mentioned here. Maybe it's just because there's so much low quality/weak stuff out there, I dunno. The effects are great, thank goodness it tastes like mud, because otherwise I'd probably have a serious kava problem by now.
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Re: Datura Dreams... Datura Stramonium as a lucid dream enhancer? [Re: OnePerEyeM8]
#17631203 - 01/29/13 07:24 PM (11 years, 26 days ago) |
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OnePerEyeM8 said: Sweet! Kava is pretty incredible. It's surprising to me that it's barely ever mentioned here. Maybe it's just because there's so much low quality/weak stuff out there, I dunno. The effects are great, thank goodness it tastes like mud, because otherwise I'd probably have a serious kava problem by now.
the only time I get good effects from kava, I have to ingest so much I end up with a nasty, barfy hangover the next day... which sucks, because I really enjoy the effects otherwise 
my stomach just doesn't agree with it... even the high potency paste.
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Re: Datura Dreams... Datura Stramonium as a lucid dream enhancer? [Re: LuSiD9]
#17631211 - 01/29/13 07:25 PM (11 years, 26 days ago) |
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Is a good kava experience opiate-like?
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Re: Datura Dreams... Datura Stramonium as a lucid dream enhancer? [Re: s240779]
#17631494 - 01/29/13 08:05 PM (11 years, 26 days ago) |
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240779 said: Is a good kava experience opiate-like?
more benzo/alcohol ish
kratom is your herb if you're looking for a very similar experience to opiates.. I fuckin love that shit
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Re: Datura Dreams... Datura Stramonium as a lucid dream enhancer? [Re: s240779]
#17631879 - 01/29/13 09:00 PM (11 years, 26 days ago) |
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LuSiD9 said:
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OnePerEyeM8 said: Sweet! Kava is pretty incredible. It's surprising to me that it's barely ever mentioned here. Maybe it's just because there's so much low quality/weak stuff out there, I dunno. The effects are great, thank goodness it tastes like mud, because otherwise I'd probably have a serious kava problem by now.
the only time I get good effects from kava, I have to ingest so much I end up with a nasty, barfy hangover the next day... which sucks, because I really enjoy the effects otherwise 
my stomach just doesn't agree with it... even the high potency paste.
Aw I'm sorry to hear that, sounds awful. I don't think I've ever felt anything the next day. Maybe it's the kava though? I've only ever experimented with the Vanuatu from KavaByRex. I'd put about 3 or 4 ounces in a blender with about 5 ounces of water, then drink it without straining. Far form the traditional preparation, but you get more of an effect from less.
If you ever feel like giving it another go, have a look at kavasseur.blogspot.com. It's a pretty cool resource. If I remember right, I read a review of the vanuatu from kavabyrex there, they said it was intense and high in whichever kavalactone is responsible for the trippy effects rather than the body effects. Reason I decided to go with that kind in the first place.
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240779 said: Is a good kava experience opiate-like?
Not sure, never tried an opiate. I'd compare (at least the kind I've had) to smoking weed after you've been drinking a little. Makes you really social, creative/kind of trippy thoughts, your body gets that warm radiating energy feeling, and it messes with your balance a little.
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