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Diviners Sage
    #1762600 -

I've had relatively few experiences with salvia, but i have consistently come across a prescense...or salvia entity if you will. I've never believed in god, or encountered a phenomenon of this sort before. In my experiences i have learned things i never knew before....seemingly from the said entity. Who here has encountered similar entities, or is this just my subconscious under the effects of a chemical? Relate your own experiences too, cus i'd be interested in reading about them.

Here is an account of my salvia encounters...

First time i did it with 10x...took three large tokes with normal lighter and felt nothing.
Second time nothing.
Third time, i felt gravity pulling to the left, and after commenting about it to my g/f, felt nothing.

A few months passed, i wasn't afraid to do it, just didn't want to, but i had an urge to try it again.

So i had a small toke of 5x extract with a normal lighter, and tried meditating. I instantly cleared my mind and was in a state of existance, where i could just be and 'not think'. I had never acheived such a profound emptiness in my head through normal meditation techniques. It only lasted 5 minutes...

Heres where it gets fucked up...
Later that night i had a dream in which i was visited by a definately 'female' salvia entity. We talked some, i don't remember what about, but then she offered me a crazy long psycadelic pipe, and something to light it with. In my dream i took a HUGE toke, and was blasted into a trip...but i remeber NO detail whatsoever of the trip within the dream. The next morning i felt i needed to try it again. Months passed again, not because i didn't want to, but because it just didn't feel right. Eventually i had the calling and decided to go where i've never gone before, and have an intense salvia experience.

So i meditated to clear my mind...like when i did on the 5x, but just normal meditation. After 15min-1hour (not sure) i felt it was time, and i used a torch and vaporised the bowl holding in the smoke. It was really harsh but after exhaling i went back to that meditative 'centre' i had found. I had a vision of a salvia leaf in a grid, but felt i was to have more, so i loaded another bowl and vaped it. I don't recall what happened this time, but i ended up turning on medatative music, and felt that i was being invited, but had to take more still. So i loaded up a bowl of 10x extract and ripped it off in two hits.

I tried to keep the center, but i noticed i could see through my eyelids, like rainbow energy outlines of objects. Just then my cat jumped up, and i naturally pushed her down, but i had a feeling of deep regret, as though it was to play a part in this lesson.

Regardless i found my center, and i had the salvia 'prescense' with me again although it did not talk...it was like i knew what she was trying to say. I noticed my thoughts on the outside trying to push in, and so i let one....and it immediately manifested visually into a landscape or scene. I followed another, and was taken to a different place....like standing in a desert...or in mountains, a picture or scene. I then went back to my center and had the knowledge that what i had done was known as 'traveling'. The salvia had taught me this, and i was filled with a sense of knowledge, and familiarity. Then without warning i was to be 'tested' and an intense sensation overcame me. It was like your foot being totally asleep, then waking up, you know the pins and needles feeling....but it was 100 times that i had experienced, and it washed over me entirely...utterly. I strugled at first, and believe i may had broken out in sweat or something had i not surrendered and flowed with the sensation. It was over.

After that experience i am no longer afraid to take hits of high extract 10x or greater. I have yet to do another experience, but that is not because of fear...just timing, it took alot to digest this 'traveling' and i would hate to now have a nonscensical trip that is meaningless. Salvia has been consisten in all my trips, and even in my dreams, and i do not know what to make of this 'entity', as i have never believed in god, nor encountered such a phenomenon.

I have been growing salvia after that experience however, and have enough leaf to make my own extract..probably around 20x or so. When it is ready i shall meditate, and do a small amount to see if i am accepted. If so i shall toke that 20x with a torch lighter and seek another lesson from beyond...


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"Know your Body - Know your Mind - Know your Substance - Know your Source.

Lest we forget. "

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: Azmodeus]
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Salvia is definately a strange one.

On most, probably all, of my breakthrough experiences with Salvia have involved some "other" conciousness being present. I can never see or pinpoint where this entity is, only feel it just over my shoulder...putting thoughts into my head.

All my high-level trips are fairly similar in many ways. They all share some common "feel".

The first feeling I have is one of being pulled away from my body. I can see myself, from above and behind. Coincidentally, this is where the "conciousness" is most strongly felt: above and behind me. It's like being watched over your shoulder, while you watch yourself over your shoulder.

I can see the group of people I'm with, but nothing "feels" right.

And there is, always, a very strong anxiety. I can feel something coming...something big. I tense up in waiting, trying desperately to figure out what "it" is. Thoughts streem into my head from the other entity, giving me insight as to what "is happening".

It is at this point that I always "realize" my eternal predicament: I have become a fragment of existence - yet one that is not supposed to exist. I've tried many times to describe this revelation to people, but it's VERY hard to do so. Here's the best I've come up with: imagine that ALL creation is a block of plastic. The surface of the block is smooth on all sides. Each and every atom in the block is an "entity" in the "universe" - but as the block is a whole there is no need to discern between one entity and another...they are all One. Now imagine a small scratch, a burr, on the surface of the block. The burr is different than the rest - it sticks out of the block, giving itself uniqueness and singular "life" away from the Whole. The burr is a wonder of creation...yet it is not "supposed" to exist. The block should be smooth, all should be One.

The next thing to happen is a very intricate "story" of the unfolding of my reality - as I am "smoothed" back into the existence I was supposed to have. It feels kind of like being a kid again, under-age, out drinking on a friends farm somewhere...and having the cops pull up to break up the party. I "realize" (again, with much help from the "other" conciousness) that our time is up. My world should not have existed - ever - and it is time that it goes back to where it came from.

One time I watched as my friends began to tear apart reality around me, peice by peice.

Another time I became a peice of paint on the corner of a Fisher-Price toy person's mouth, and was obliterated as the mouth closed shut.

Plastic. Plastic seems to be a very common theme in my Salvia trips.

In the end, there is always blackness. I forget that I exist. Forget I ever existed. Then everything comes rushing back, and I find myself panting.


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: trendal]
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Ahh... plastic. It has given us everything, suspossedly, completely made our world better, but yet, we still lack that something... the something that is real, that plastic can't give us. Plastic has no meaning.
hehe, anyways, at least I thought I saw a metaphor in that. Now I'm just crazy.
Peace.


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: trendal]
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trendal said:
It feels kind of like being a kid again


I noticed this as well. My only breakthrough reminded me much of my childhood, for some reason.

For me, the visuals are a bit like this: there are thousands of "tubes" or other simple three-dimensional objects of various colors floating around at incredible speeds. They assemble and form still pictures for a short amount of time, then re-assemble to form different visions. The pictures represent things that seem concrete while I'm under the influence, but as soon as the effects vanish, I cannot recall a single one of them.

What is weird is that the visuals aren't quite "visuals" like with mushrooms. I "feel" those tubes more than I see them, yet their image remains clear in my head...

Weird stuff.  :smirk: 


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I'm a bipedal carbon-based pseudo-random number generator.

Demonstration: 152.


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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: Meph]
    #1762941 -

Salvia Divinorum is a wonderful teacher. She isn't very gentle, but rewards me with a glowing happiness for at least the rest of the day.

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1762992 -

i will relate some experiences.

the first time i smoked it, there was no presence of an entity. i was in the bathroom with my friend and a roommate watching. i was morphed into a mushroom shaped lifeform in a primative world with a gaseous forest/vegetation setting. i started swaying as it was the movement that should be. closer to the end, as i was going out of that state, i could see my friend also swaying and i could just feel that she was in this same world as i was. it seem like i was alternating between dimensions.

we smoked a lil bit more and went to lay down, putting on some music just to relax. i cant remember what music it was but it caused us to have the same closed eye visuals of a spanish woman dancing in pitch black space in a lavish orange dress. i found out we had the same visions later on when we discussed it.

i think it was the next day, i smoked again by myself in the same bathroom. this time i was taken to what seem like an ancient time. the environment was strangely familiar, was helping with what seem like a dinner or banquet (while holding onto the pipe and in this state, it was some sorta of food preparation utensil). also the sound of pots and pans and distant voices could be heard. there was strong female presence with a comforting aura of a grandmother. we engaged in short conversation ending in her guiding me to the bed saying 'everything will be okay, you must rest'. then shortly after, i fell asleep.

another time got me thinking it was just the subconscious. this time i chose the bathroom as the setting again. my mind wasnt all too clear at this time. it felt like my subconscious spewed outta my head all over the bathroom. as i sat in this subconscious jizz, i could feel a female presence but not ever directly associating with me, she was almost talking amongst other entities.

some weeks ago, i smoked again (prolly having not touched it for over a year). i had had a headache for 3 days. i was joined by 2 entities this time, a female and an androgenous one. i wanted to get out of my chair, for some reason i thot i had something to do.. but they guided me back down and told me to relax. it was a soothing feeling for the rest of the time while the 2 were by my side. after it wore off, my headache was gone.

salvia has always reminded me of childhood fever episodes. i remember enjoying those hallucinations quite a bit. it was my favorite drug for some time, prolly becuz it was my first psychedelic. salvia experiences have overall been quite calming to me.


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look buddy,,

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: Meph]
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Hmm, interesting....thanks to everyone who responded.

"They assemble and form still pictures for a short amount of time, then re-assemble to form different visions. The pictures represent things that seem concrete while I'm under the influence, but as soon as the effects vanish, I cannot recall a single one of them."

That sounds almost exactly like the travelling i did...i can't recall the landscape i saw, but one had a mountanous impression, the other deserty...

Lots report more than the one entity...i wonder if it mostly female because it is the spirit of the salvia we're smoking, but mabye it is somthing beyond just the salvia....almost like an astral plane mabye?...

What is the strongest extract one has smoked?  10x is pretty common,...can anyone relate an experience with extract greater than that of 10x?

Anyone ever smoke the crystal from an evaporated acetone extraction? :crazy:




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"Know your Body - Know your Mind - Know your Substance - Know your Source.

Lest we forget. "

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1763668 -

A home made extraction of mind that should have been around 15x. It was much stronger than the 10x I had ordered off the net.

The experience was much the same as with 10x, except it obviously required less to reach a breakthrough  :smirk:


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: trendal]
    #1764251 -

Salvia didn't work at all for me :frown:

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: Faaip_De_Oiad]
    #1764842 -

ive done salvia extract and had a break through but i dont go anywhere with my trips meaning i get nothing out of it, klinda like smokin weed....i dunno why


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Mice have feelings

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: JameZTheNewbie]
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if you compare it to smoking weed you didnt break through

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: blackout]
    #1765568 -

i have experienced the salvia entity and like everybody seems to find, it definitely has a female aura. never saw it, didnt have a female voice or form and didnt communicate anything to make me think it was female you just sort of know in a very definite way that it is in essence female.
i always experience the "pull" too and always to the left (do left handers go right?). it is like being pulled into a vortex, usually i get a face pull first and it feels very real, usually at the start of the effects so you are not mind-fucked. i have turned to friends and said "look at my fucking face!" convinced it was being pulled-always to a singular point, i.e. face is pulled into a triangular shape. i have walked around a forest seeming to take giant steps like my legs were massive and the earth seemed to be moving under me (slowing down) or it expanded as i stepped, so although i took giant steps i was not going far at all. i also get a feeling of "all knowing" and that you are about to be shown an absolutely shocking revelation like the meaning of life or the universe. once i ran through a forest in a sort of circle to escape the pull of a vortex and to escape being told the relevation (scared the shit out of some old woman walking her dog confronted with a panting drooling wide eyed fiend with bong in hand!)
the drooling is something which many seem not to mention, though it happened to everybody i know, drool like pure water sometimes hits the ground still intact from the mouth. although one guy i know insists he doent drool and is the worst! maybe its an embarrassing thing, i think it is just funny. and of course painfully hysterical laughter. and panoramic views of areas like rooms. leaving rooms and still seeing things in them out of actual view

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: trendal]
    #1769183 -

trendal said:
A home made extraction of mind that should have been around 15x. It was much stronger than the 10x I had ordered off the net.

The experience was much the same as with 10x, except it obviously required less to reach a breakthrough  :smirk: 


I wonder if the "10x" extract is commonly down graded...you know like only 7-8x...if that.  It hard to say becuase i notice a strong reverse tolerance effect.  I wish to make an extract where one toke is all thats required to break through....guaranteed.


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"Know your Body - Know your Mind - Know your Substance - Know your Source.

Lest we forget. "

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: blackout]
    #1769187 -

blackout said:
once i ran through a forest in a sort of circle to escape the pull of a vortex and to escape being told the relevation (scared the shit out of some old woman walking her dog confronted with a panting drooling wide eyed fiend with bong in hand!)



:lol: i can imagine the look on her face! :shocked:
I never experienced the drooling though....or mabye i just didn't notice...


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"Know your Body - Know your Mind - Know your Substance - Know your Source.

Lest we forget. "

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1769198 -

I'm gonna order some pure Salvinorin-A extract from MLB.  I'll let you know, but I'm sure that will do the trick. :wink:

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: MindTrap]
    #1769202 -

BTW, I've experienced full open eye visuals on 3 big hits of 15x.

That was a scary trip.

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: MindTrap]
    #1769736 -

I'm sure many vendors screw their customers. 17X that's actually 1X and such stuff.
Mindtrap, I hope you have a very accurate scale for that stuff.
Why would you use it pure? Read Daniel Sieberts pure trip if you haven't already :smile:
http://www.sagewisdom.org/salvexpe.html
Many pro-Salvia discourage the use of pure Salvinorin because they are scared it will give Salvia a bad name. Have a sitter present.

btw,
do you guys also get the needle and pins sensation over your skin? I like that feeling :smile:


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futuretribe.space

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: cybrbeast]
    #1769778 -

imo salvia is right up there with mandrake and morning glories and belladonna.... worthless shit.

toke stinky smelling harsh shit, get prickly heat, mildly dissociate, blah.

the only times I will smoke it is if I'm already tripping on something else and I want to potentiate it and it's free.


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The ultimate meaning of our being can only be fulfilled in the paradoxical leap beyond the tragic-demonic frustration. It is a leap from our side, but it is the self-surrendering presence of the Ground of Being from the other side.
- Paul Tillich

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: Malachi]
    #1769801 -

(Generic response)

How come no one can ACTUALLY divine anything using Diviner's Sage?


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: Malachi]
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Malachi said:
toke stinky smelling harsh shit, get prickly heat, mildly dissociate, blah.



mildly dissociate? HAHA, obviously you have never experienced the full effects of this plant/chemical.


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futuretribe.space

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: cybrbeast]
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cybrbeat--- what the fuck did you just say? did you think?
Of course I've experienced the "full effect"... just not the effect you got. drugs experience is subjective, get it? I'll bet you'd get alot more baked off of some shwag than I would too....
regardless, if you happened to have actually read the rest of what I wrote, you'll see that I take salvia whilst tripping on other drugs. like acid and mushrooms and amt and x and etc. so yeah, I'm fairly sure that even though it's stupid to try to one up someone based on how "fucked up" you get, I've "been" "where" "you've" "been".

don't ask about the excessive quotations, I really don't know....


swami- good question. here's another: why doesn't mind typically manifest itself when people take psychdelics? where's god in the entheogens? and where the FUCK are the open minded people on ecstasy??

I don't think they exist.


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The ultimate meaning of our being can only be fulfilled in the paradoxical leap beyond the tragic-demonic frustration. It is a leap from our side, but it is the self-surrendering presence of the Ground of Being from the other side.
- Paul Tillich

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: Malachi]
    #1769999 -

In my experience and that of all who have broken through it can never be described as mildly dissociative. I know that the effects before a breakthrough feel like a sort of stonedness or a bit trippy. But beyond that border it's a world of infinite dimensions all wrapped up inside an infinitely small point.

Oh an btw, there is no need to swear. Maybe you should visit Off-topic discussion and vent some anger..


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futuretribe.space

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: cybrbeast]
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"there is no need to swear"

ok, you have a southpart avatar. get real.


as for "breaking through".... man, I can't tell you how long I was stuck on that trip... but REALLY, REALLY, I'm telling you, YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY PERSON WHO TRIPS. ok? there are actually a wide range of mild and extreme experience to be had off of as many different substances. there isn't some set "level 5" like people enjoy pretending. it just keeps going and going deeper and deeper.

imo, if you like to stick flags and draw lines and declare this and that, then you're just looking in the wrong place, probably stagnanting.


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The ultimate meaning of our being can only be fulfilled in the paradoxical leap beyond the tragic-demonic frustration. It is a leap from our side, but it is the self-surrendering presence of the Ground of Being from the other side.
- Paul Tillich

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: Malachi]
    #1770250 -

Swearing to someone personally is a lot different than in a cartoon. South Park doesn't insult me, you do. But that doesn't matter.

Ok you maybe right, I don't know what you exactly experienced. I do know that for me and many others Salvia has provided us with some of the most intense trips ever.
Would you care to give a trip report?


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futuretribe.space

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: Malachi]
    #1770280 -

What's the the anger? I find it rather unnecessary. This isn't my fight, but it's not a fight that needs to have happened. We need a little more respect here, respect for Salvia (and all medicines whether or not they're our favourites) and respect for each other.

No entheogens are worthless shit. They may not be the right path for you or for me but they have thier value and don't deserve to be disrespected. Perhaps Salvia doesn't offer you what she offers others because you aren't patient or considerate enough to wait for her to teach you. The mazatec shamans say Salvia is a shy spirit, and she demands respect.

~Jenn

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #1770324 -

well, I think that defending a drug just because you say it fits into the "entheogen" category (which is itself contentious at best) is a very weak argument. some people think that dxm is a good thing. some think belladonna/dantura is good. some people think travel sickness medicine is enlightening. get my point? just cause other people used a drug doesn't mean you should too. no disrespect for the indians, but there are many many drugs that I think where used in the past because of availability and lack of knowledge. stagnancy = bad

you're right though, I offended your sensibilities, which I didn't mean to do. if only the world wasn't so offensive.

as for a trip report... I never write those, cause they're essentially flawed. to write a "report" implies that the event is over, which, if anything, is the one thing I'd want to report: "it" is happening. not happened.



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The ultimate meaning of our being can only be fulfilled in the paradoxical leap beyond the tragic-demonic frustration. It is a leap from our side, but it is the self-surrendering presence of the Ground of Being from the other side.
- Paul Tillich

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: Malachi]
    #1770338 -

Well could you say if you had OEV, CEV? How much Salvia you used. Extract power? Setting maybe. How often you tried. etc?


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futuretribe.space

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: cybrbeast]
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Salvia Divinorum is the whitey drug of choice.

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: Azmodeus]
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Sometime around 1996 I forget whenever DM Turners book just came out
I ordered some from Hawaii like an ounce or half ounce I forget of regular herb. I was EXTREMELY psyched about trying it since just reading the great book. I smoked some noticed nothing.......

I Chewed alot but gradually not all at once at one time my friend said "this isn't doing anything" I laughed and suddenly got a rush from it that lasted less then a minute almost as though someone else thought that was funny. I remember before waking up the next day thinking "theres a world I have to get up" which was kinda weird.

A few days later I chewed the entire remainder everything got really bright and I felt kinda drunk saw more colors on my light and sound machine thing from the LED's fell asleep.

Maybe four years later I tried the expensive tincture. I kept burning my mouth with dropers of it I didn't feel that different I fell asleep though after thinking my leg was above my head ??????
felt some sickness upon waking kinda felt like HBWS.

A few more experiences basically felt dissociated maybe once or twice rapid eye movement while awake but nothing too intense or anything. Overall the experiences were mild. Did take some while on DPT, DXM, and with Nitrous oxide. Nothing that amazing happened. I guess both times I felt for the money I paid I still didn't experience what I expected I may try smoking some 5X or 10X whatever. I think that would do it. What are your recommended vendors.

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: dilatedcreature]
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You should try a 10X extract.
Be sure to read this user guide: http://www.sagewisdom.org/smokeadvice.html
Can I post links to vendors on this site?


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MindTrap said:
Salvia Divinorum is the whitey drug of choice.



WTF? that's completely nonsensical


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futuretribe.space

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: cybrbeast]
    #1772450 -

"WTF? that's completely nonsensical "

LOL

That was for Malachi's sake since he is a staunch believer in the imminent destruction of whitey culture.

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: MindTrap]
    #1772695 -

staunch. what a whitey word.


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The ultimate meaning of our being can only be fulfilled in the paradoxical leap beyond the tragic-demonic frustration. It is a leap from our side, but it is the self-surrendering presence of the Ground of Being from the other side.
- Paul Tillich

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: MindTrap]
    #1772697 -

ah ok. Makes more sense now :smile:


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futuretribe.space

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: blackout]
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The first time I smoked it was in the form of a 10X extract on some dried salvia leaf. I had done quite a bit of research on its effects, but was still unprepared for the intensity of the experience.

Before I had even completely inhaled the first lungful from the pipe I felt a rapidly oncoming rush of strangeness. No substance had ever come close to the speed of the onset here. The crackling of the leaf burning suddenly took on an odd intensity and I distinctly felt as if someone were watching me do this. The presence was not overwhelming, but noticeable and definately feminine in character.

I had planned to do this as prescribed in a darkened and silent room, but the intensity of the experience excited me and I couldn't stay still- I had to move. I had smoked it sitting in my bed with the covers over my feet so I could lie down immediately afterwards.

As the experience rapidly peaked, I came to the absolutely mind-blowing awareness that not only was I *sitting* in the bed, but somehow someway I had *become* the bed!! I was me and the bed at the same time! A feeling of several powerful emotions merged in me, a feeling of horror, amazement, and amusement. I laughed out loud and said, "You've got to be kidding me!! I AM that??!!"

I pulled back the covers and when I did that it was like peeling back a layer of my own skin, not in a painful sense though. Maybe like how a paraplegic would feel about moving his dead leg with his arms.

Anway, other things happened, but nothing as remarkable.
It's a bizarre substance, and probably better suited in terms of inner development in it's natural form or with a tiny bit of extract.


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I am what Willis was talkin' bout.

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: Jellric]
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I can remember lying in the bed on Salvia and pulling the covers over me. It felt like entering another dimension.


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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: cybrbeast]
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cybrbeast said:
I'm sure many vendors screw their customers. 17X that's actually 1X and such stuff.
Mindtrap, I hope you have a very accurate scale for that stuff.
Why would you use it pure? Read Daniel Sieberts pure trip if you haven't already :smile:
http://www.sagewisdom.org/salvexpe.html
Many pro-Salvia discourage the use of pure Salvinorin because they are scared it will give Salvia a bad name. Have a sitter present.

btw,
do you guys also get the needle and pins sensation over your skin? I like that feeling :smile: 


That trip report wasn't that bad...i'd like to read one about someone who had experimented with salvia before and obtained a proper mind set prior to taking the crystal...It wouldbe very hard to get any lesson when your not sure what your smoking...although it was intriguing, to read of his ability to 'travel' to different time points and areas...i think his mind was totally surprised by the experience and probably trying to figure out why, rather than seeing the experience...

When i had teh pins and needles sensation, it was rather uncomftorable...until i surrendered to it...then it wasn't really good or bad...
But it was very intense.


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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: Azmodeus]
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There's an online book by D.M. Turner about Salvia which has some Salvinorin crystal trip reports. Also a cool Salvinorin DMT combo.

Here are the trip reports (at the bottom of the page):
http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/salvinorin/Jindx.shtml

And here's the book
http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/salvinorin/salvinorin.shtml


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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: cybrbeast]
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Thanks for the links.

I've experienced something similar to this on 15x. Very frightening but worth it for the experience.

It was a feeling that was impossbile to describe. At the time I felt as though I had been ripped out of the flow of time like being peeled off of a frame in a film. I was absolutely petrified that I would not return to reality and fought it the entire time. Because of this I never allowed myself to break through and wish now that I had.

Anyways.. I'll give you guys a trip report when I try the crystal. It doesn't really sound much different than my expereince on 15x.

I've never actually broken through like so many people claim. Perhaps I will this time.

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: MindTrap]
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Sorry to go off topic a bit, but does anyone know if Salvia has any tolerance build up? I know most people dont 'breakthrough' the first time, so I was wondering if its possible to just wait a few hours and try again..?


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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: DellComputers]
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I've noticed a reverse tolerance. The first few times i smoked i felt nothing, and now i can detect even a toke a plain leaf. Im not sure how it works doing back to back sessions, but i believe it would work every time you smoked it with no reduced effects....but thats just speculation...


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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: DellComputers]
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Usually I won't smoke Salvia for months. Then I'll do it three times in one evening. The third trip did seem a little less intense, but you could counter that with some extra Salvia.
Overall I think there is reverse tolerance. I can notice much smaller doses than I used to.


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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: cybrbeast]
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Im not sure this fits in here, but when i smoke salvia leaf, something happens. When I smoked it, my nose started running, my back started feeling a bit rubbery, my left big toe started to feel very strange, and my left elbow had this not so intense, but just out of place feel to it.

Now...my nose fucked up pretty recent to that time, my back has always had problems, and my toe i broke 4 months prior. I wasnt sure what what with the elbow thing, but it wasnt very strong, just a presence. Now about 3 months later, that elbow is giving me some shit.

Im not gonna swear by it, but this struck me as very fucking strange, and I started reading up on the crazy plant and it seems as though it had somewhat the same use in shamanic practises. The ill were given salvia and then could tell exactly where a problem was originating from. Something like that. I was excited to hear that and find that I wasnt alone, and although the experience is wild and not too likable, there is a medicinal value to this plant. Good shit.


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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: tak]
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Thats pretty neat...

I've heard of shamans using mescalito to help determine illness in patients...the patient gets a small dose, if i recall correctly...


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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: Azmodeus]
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I've heard of shamans using mescalito to help determine illness in patients...

A link with documentation would be nice.

No slam on Native Americans, but despite the usage of peyote in healing ceremonies, the life-span and health of the average NA is significantly less than European Americans. While I know there are many other variables at work here, it does appear that peyote's power to affect physical well-being is minimal.


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Swami, such healings are more in tune with the spirit than modern medicinal practices...in fact it may even be all in the mind. I don't recall where i read this, but im sure if your interested a quick search can tell you more information...i don't particularily feel a need to try and 'convince' you.

I'd just like to say that not a year ago i didn't believe in anything. Not god, astral projection, aliens, psi,....NOTHING. Why? because i had no reason to. I had never talked to god, been abducted, or what have you. My interest in spirituality and shamanism however eventually lead to some unexplicable occurances which show me there is more to reality than....reality.


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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: cybrbeast]
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I got my salvinorin-a and my god is this a small amount. I'm going to have a difficult time in weighing this.

I'm scared...... Someone hold me.

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: MindTrap]
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Put the smallest amount you possibly can into the bong or whatever and torch the shit out of it....the smallest possible amount now...you hear?

In fact you should meditate on a small extract and 'prepare' yourself....get the feel again, seek acceptance....


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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: Azmodeus]
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Aye...  I'm literally going to start with one grain of crystal and work up since I have no way of measuring out 1mg.

Wish me luck.  :wink:

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: MindTrap]
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Good luck!!!

...you'll need it... :crazy:


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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: MindTrap]
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1mg is really high, you need more like 0,5mg. I read it's best to vaporize it. Daniel Siebert used foil, a lighter and a tube. Hold the lighter under the foil with salvorin. Suck through the tube.


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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: cybrbeast]
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What kind of extract is it? 30x 10x or 5x?


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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: ololiuqui]
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MindTrap has the pure crystal form of Salvinorin A (the active chemical in Salvia). It is advised not to use this stuff unless you have a very accurate scale. They say you just can't eyeball this dose.

MindTrap, how much Salvinorin A do you have?


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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: cybrbeast]
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50mg.. And boy oh boy is that a small amount..

Don't want to play with this stuff.

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: MindTrap]
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Why did you buy the pure stuff then? 50mg is quite a lot of trips. You could dilute it in alcohol and make a tincture out of it. That would be easier to dose.


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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: cybrbeast]
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I'm going to dissolve in into some regular plant material and then split it up into 100 equal parts.

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: cybrbeast]
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Funny, I was of the opinion that it was worthless shit as well. But now that I think about it,that's what I've heard a whole lotta people tell me about DXM...so...perhaps a small test is in order.
  :tongue:
I just wonder if there's anyway to potentiate the stuff.
and if non-extracted is worth the trouble...but i suppose I'll have to look those questions up..won't I?? :smirk: 

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: MindTrap]
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Good plan

Elvish, just buy a 5X or 10X extract from a trusted vendor.


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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: cybrbeast]
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I just had an idea. Would salvia be orally active if combined with an MAOI?!? Has anyone tried? or heard anything about this?


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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: Azmodeus]
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I doubt it, since salvinorin-A doesn't contain any nitrogen. MAOIs inhibit enzymes that break down compounds that have an amine group (nitrogen and hydrogen) in them. But no one really knows how salvinorin works. An interesting observation is that salvinorin is a psychoactive terpene, and that there is synergy with another psychoactive terpene: THC.

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: Azmodeus]
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Azmodeus said:
I just had an idea. Would salvia be orally active if combined with an MAOI?!? Has anyone tried? or heard anything about this?


Um...they make orally active salvia tincture's all over the place...


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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: PDU]
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Salvinorin is orally active because it isn't an amine compound so it isn't oxidized by the MAO enzymes. So an MAOI won't potentiate it directly. But there could be other synergies.

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: Rhizoid]
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So basically salvia is orally active, but not as active as the smoke.  And maoi's will not potentiate it because its not an amine compound...
Interesting! :smile:

I chewed a quid of salvia on a saturday morning once...it was soo bitter and nasty i had to spit it out after 20 minutes. I felt only the slightes of buzzes, but i don't think i was supposed to be swallowing my saliva so i got sick....i haven't tried sinse... :tongue:


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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: Faaip_De_Oiad]
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Faaip_De_Oiad said:
Salvia didn't work at all for me :frown: 


I have not yet had success with it, either. However, there was a good point brought to my attention. Comparing it to the same feeling or mind phase as smoking pot is totally useless. It is a completely different state of being. That said, I may have to try another time just to see.... :tongue: 


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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: Clover]
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Well I tried Salvia twice once smoking it regular leaf and last night with the tincture and nothing I was very disappointed, but my wife did the tincture same as me and had the trip of her life.
She had no idea what salvia was or what type of images of effects to get.
She told me she was traveling inside a plant and felt a presence next to her talking guiding her, later they sent here to a carnival well she was having the best time, me noting :frown:.
I am going to try it again tonight for what she told me is completely different than shrooms or any other thing out there.
Wish me good luck I really want to experience ds.
Do any of you grow it in a cold climate? what?s the best strategy?, I live upstate NY.


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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: blackout]
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I think Blackout described it very similar to how I experienced Salvia.

The pull to the left, the drooling... Also it does this weird thing to my eyes, and my mouth usually gapes open in awe. Last time I did it I got really sweaty.

I will not try Salvia again unless I am out in the wilderness, far from the madness of modern culture.


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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: Adamist]
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Well I tried Salvia again last night (tincture form) and finally I got a trip out of it :smile: :smile:.
Thou I will consider it a low to moderate one, I was very pleased with it and definitely I want to experiment more with it.
It is completely different from any thing else that I had tried.
The experience was very odd and strange took me a "wile" to realize I was tripping kinda sneaked on to me, I was sitting In my lazy boy and got up to lay on the floor, That hole movement stretched like a movie film were I could see and feel each frame of that movement, like I could feel each frame in time (very weird) also I felt the music changing the fabric of space around parts of my body.
As per visuals none, what I was seeing was like in a dream.
 


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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: trendal]
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Quote:
nothing "feels" right.

It is at this point that I always "realize" my eternal predicament: I have become a fragment of existence - yet one that is not supposed to exist. I've tried many times to describe this revelation to people, but it's VERY hard to do so. Here's the best I've come up with: imagine that ALL creation is a block of plastic. The surface of the block is smooth on all sides. Each and every atom in the block is an "entity" in the "universe" - but as the block is a whole there is no need to discern between one entity and another...they are all One. Now imagine a small scratch, a burr, on the surface of the block. The burr is different than the rest - it sticks out of the block, giving itself uniqueness and singular "life" away from the Whole. The burr is a wonder of creation...yet it is not "supposed" to exist. The block should be smooth, all should be One.




Oh my God! This is exactly how I felt on a very high dose of DXM. Like I was out of place.I felt out of place so severely that it was a total mindfuck.

It's probably not the same exactly, but the way you described it,wow. Like the piece of plastic on the corner of the toys mouth that gets swallowed up.


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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: sirreal]
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It's probably not the same exactly, but the way you described it,wow. Like the piece of plastic on the corner of the toys mouth that gets swallowed up.

I'll admit that the feeling of knowing I'm not supposed to exist is the only time I can remember feeling true horror  :smirk:

I haven't had any Salvia in at least six months, and I'm not sure when, if ever, I'll try it again. It wasn't too much...but what I saw sticks with me long after the experience.

Salvia is not a toy. 


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Quote:
I'll admit that the feeling of knowing I'm not supposed to exist is the only time I can remember feeling true horror



Oh my God! I felt that pure horror when I was in a state of suspended thought on a high dose of DXM.

I have talked to a lot of people who have taken drugs and this is the first time I have ever been able to relate to someone so completely!

I felt like God was looking at me wondering what the hell I was doing here.


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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: sirreal]
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Quote:
I felt like God was looking at me wondering what the hell I was doing here.


Yep, that's exactly what I'd say it's like.

I felt like I had just been caught existing. Like when I was younger, at a party drinking and my friend's parents walked in.

The party is over.


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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: trendal]
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trendal said:
I felt like I had just been caught existing. Like when I was younger, at a party drinking and my friend's parents walked in.

The party is over.



Thanks for the connection!

Caught existing, that is fucking great!


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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: sirreal]
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I just moved back into my room after doing a complete makeover and i'm ready to purify the atmosphere... I went into my local hills and picked some sacred white sage...one leaf offa each plant cuz its not so abundant in this season.

the stuff is amazing...we have about 3or 4 kinds growing naturally in our hills and its frigging beautiful.

one kind has buttons which look like little buds...sticky too... put out little flowers which are white or purple ( i saw a plant that was half white and half purple...was beautiful)
the bee's love em

they say that medicinal plants purify the atmosphere even if you just sit around them and breathe the air

i beleive it


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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: Rastafari]
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Salvia is pure madness...it can be recreational in mild doses but a full trip is scary...

Last time I did it like 2 months ago I took two bong rips of home made 10x extract. I felt very strong waves of energy slapping me on the waist, and I began hearing annoying voices in unisson...they were saying ?You took the substance? or something similar to do that. That was about 20 seconds after taking the last hit. Then I discovered from where those voices wee coming from. Thousands of small difform entities were like coming really fast towards me and they hit me. But after that another entity took me on her back and I felt like I was being pulled out the vortex I entered...The trip beyong this point was gentle with cool melodies playing and colorful cevs.

It was really violent and since this time I havent tried it again, Im scared.

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: Rastafari]
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Salvia is pure madness...it can be recreational in mild doses but a full trip is scary...

Last time I did it like 2 months ago I took two bong rips of home made 10x extract. I felt very strong waves of energy slapping me on the waist, and I began hearing annoying voices in unisson...they were saying ?You took the substance? or something similar to do that. That was about 20 seconds after taking the last hit. Then I discovered from where those voices wee coming from. Thousands of small difform entities were like coming really fast towards me and they hit me. But after that another entity took me on her back and I felt like I was being pulled out the vortex I got previously pulled in...The trip beyong this point was gentle with cool melodies playing and colorful cevs.

It was really violent and since this time I havent tried it again, Im too scared.

Edited by Grapefruity (09/09/03 03:57 PM)

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Re: Diviners Sage [Re: Rastafari]
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yes, white sage is sacred. I cleanse my living space per season.



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