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Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World", and Utopia.
    #17620000 - 01/27/13 05:25 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Greeting shoomerites!

So I was remembering a conversation I had the other day with some of my friends, and we got to discussing Aldous Huxley's masterpiece Brave New World. We agreed that the main motif to be extracted from it was the idea that Utopia is indeed very very possible, but only at the expense of everything that separates human beings from animals. Things such a literature, art, values, morals, ethics, and most importantly expanded consciousness.

This got us thinking and asking ourselves, what exactly is Utopia?

Would Utopia be the Brave New World model, where a great disparity exists between equality among men, yet that are happy with what they have because they don't know any better?

Or is Utopia a world where people are completely equal and working for the benefit and prosperity for one another, simply because the happiness of man is reward enough?

What do you think?


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Re: Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World", and Utopia. [Re: CuriousPsychonaut]
    #17620046 - 01/27/13 05:36 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Personally I believe the second one but who knows?  We will never achieve either one.


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Re: Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World", and Utopia. [Re: gonzoapprentice92]
    #17620078 - 01/27/13 05:43 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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gonzoapprentice92 said:
Personally I believe the second one but who knows?  We will never achieve either one.





I think we're adaptable to either one but like you said, never gonna happen.


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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World", and Utopia. [Re: Icelander]
    #17620105 - 01/27/13 05:47 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

I love the book all the same though!  I still haven't read doors to perception I need to.


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I share the belief of many of my contemporaries that the spiritual crisis pervading all spheres of Western industrial society can be remedied only by a change in our world view. We shall have to shift from the materialistic, dualistic belief that people and their environment are separate, toward a new conciousness of an all-encompassing reality, which embraces the experiencing ego, a reality in which people feel their oneness with animate nature and all of creation.- Albert Hoffman

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Re: Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World", and Utopia. [Re: CuriousPsychonaut]
    #17620122 - 01/27/13 05:50 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

I have proven on this forum multiple time why utopia is not just improbable, but impossible.

Good luck! We are counting on you.


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Re: Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World", and Utopia. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #17620246 - 01/27/13 06:18 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
I have proven on this forum multiple time why utopia is not just improbable, but impossible.

Good luck! We are counting on you.



Aw shucks... really? Definitively?

Because honestly, that's quite a claim. Proving a negative like that.


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