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Invisiblewingnutx

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Re: Liberal Bias In The Media [Re: GazzBut]
    #1762570 - 07/30/03 11:53 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

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would suggest however that the majority of media moguls, those who pay the libbie journalists, may be regarded as Conservative.




I can only tink of 2 offhand, Murdoch and Turner. One is conservative and one is a leftie.


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Re: Liberal Bias In The Media [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1762597 - 07/30/03 12:05 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Even if the media does lean to the left, they don't lean that far. They are rather moderate for the most part, which is why people watch them. If the media was that much more extreme than the average American, then people would be turned off, ratings would go down, and the networks would fire those people and hire people with more moderate views.


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Re: Liberal Bias In The Media [Re: silversoul7]
    #1762624 - 07/30/03 12:13 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Everyone thinks that they are moderate. It's a very relative term.


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Re: Liberal Bias In The Media [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1762644 - 07/30/03 12:18 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

I guess we'll never know.

I think we already know plenty. Can you find me a Murdoch owned media outlet that was outspoken against the invasion of Iraq? That supports the Euro? That is for controls on monopoly media ownership?

Good luck trying.

Yes. Why? Do you think he makes every decision?

Come on Luv, you don't think an editor sits there and goes "I know what, I'll start a campaign against monopoly ownership even tho I know my boss hates it with a passion". How long do you think he'd stay in his job for? You don't get appointed to editor if Murdoch thinks you're a loose cannon.

One man cannot possibly run an empire that size by himself.

He doesn't need to "run everything". You let it be known what you want and people try and conform to it as best they can - they effectively train themselves if they know what's good for them.

However with each step down the ladder the hold weakens and sooner or later your control slips.

Nah, that's bullshit. People furthur down the ladder will be even more insecure and frightened of doing the wrong thing than the people at the top.


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Re: Liberal Bias In The Media [Re: silversoul7]
    #1762674 - 07/30/03 12:27 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

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Even if the media does lean to the left, they don't lean that far



There are towers in Pisa which don't lean as far.


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They are rather moderate for the most part, which is why people watch them.



You may find them moderate, but I'll bet if you check, you'll find the majority of Americans do not agree.


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If the media was that much more extreme than the average American, then people would be turned off, ratings would go down



News flash.

Their ratings are dropping.

One of the only news shows to see an increase is......


are you ready.....



here it comes......

crazy like a .......

FOX.


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and the networks would fire those people and hire people with more moderate views.



Sorry but that would mean admiting they don't share the same views as their audience.


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Re: Liberal Bias In The Media [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1762692 - 07/30/03 12:31 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

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News flash.

Their ratings are dropping.

One of the only news shows to see an increase is......


are you ready.....



here it comes......

crazy like a .......

FOX.



Alright, then. That means that their views were once more in line with American public opinion, but that now public opinion is shifting more to the right.


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Re: Liberal Bias In The Media [Re: silversoul7]
    #1762722 - 07/30/03 12:38 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry but that ain't necessarily so.

It could be that people just watched what was offered.

Now, there are alternatives.


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Re: Liberal Bias In The Media [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1762735 - 07/30/03 12:41 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

So if no one's watching the "liberal media" anymore, then what are you conservatives complaining about?


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Re: Liberal Bias In The Media [Re: silversoul7]
    #1762743 - 07/30/03 12:43 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

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So if no one's watching the "liberal media" anymore, then what are you conservatives complaining about? 



Everything.    :lol:

Seriously, the fact there is still way too much of it. That and it would be nice to get a more balanced view no matter what source your news comes from.


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Re: Liberal Bias In The Media [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1762762 - 07/30/03 12:49 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

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...and it would be nice to get a more balanced view no matter what source your news comes from.




Bu therein lies the problem. There are people who think Sean Hannity IS a balanced view. I personally think Fox News is so far to the right that they're about to wrap around to the far left in some sort of Einstein-Rosen accident. CNN sucks. ABC sucks.

I think that a balanced view is something like Salon.com - a left-of-center group who tries extremely hard to present the facts and only editorialize in their editorials. You, however, will find that they lean waaay to the left, and for you, are not balanced at all.

We can argue that point all day, and noone will make an inch of ground, because our perceptions of the issues are from different angles.


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Re: Liberal Bias In The Media [Re: GernBlanston]
    #1762768 - 07/30/03 12:50 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

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  We can argue that point all day, and noone will make an inch of ground, because our perceptions of the issues are from different angles.



Yes but since I'm me, I'm always right.    :wink:


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Re: Liberal Bias In The Media [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1762770 - 07/30/03 12:52 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
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  We can argue that point all day, and noone will make an inch of ground, because our perceptions of the issues are from different angles.



Yes but since I'm me, I'm always right.    :wink: 



Spoken like a true conservative.


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Re: Liberal Bias In The Media [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1762773 - 07/30/03 12:53 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Liberal Bias In The Media [Re: silversoul7]
    #1762774 - 07/30/03 12:53 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Actually no, spoken like the Omnipotent Ruler I'm destined to be!


:evil:


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Re: Liberal Bias In The Media [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1762786 - 07/30/03 12:59 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Liberal Bias In The Media [Re: GernBlanston]
    #1762788 - 07/30/03 12:59 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Liberal Bias In The Media [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1762852 - 07/30/03 01:22 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

The article you quote gives 3 statistics. A survey 11 years ago of Washington based media indicates...

The source of the article is President of an organization that states "The Media Research Center regularly documents the national media's ongoing liberal bias". Sounds like a man on a mission. Since there are others who claim that there is bias in the other direction, I'd rather hear from a source not dedicated to proving a position to begin with.

If I want to know about media bias, shouldn't the study focus on the actual published stories themselves? It would be much more useful to see a study based on some sort of objective measure attempt to determine a relative bias in the selection and content of stories in the media, and see comparisons with one news source versus another. I'd be a lot more interested in the results of that study than a survey of people.

Unfortunately, this article doesn't even attempt to look at the actual stories in terms of selection or content.


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Re: Liberal Bias In The Media [Re: ToxicMan]
    #1762857 - 07/30/03 01:25 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

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If I want to know about media bias, shouldn't the study focus on the actual published stories themselves? It would be much more useful to see a study based on some sort of objective measure attempt to determine a relative bias in the selection and content of stories in the media, and see comparisons with one news source versus another. I'd be a lot more interested in the results of that study than a survey of people.



Exactly. If you're looking for media bias, look at the stories they report, not at who's reporting them.


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Re: Liberal Bias In The Media [Re: ToxicMan]
    #1762859 - 07/30/03 01:25 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

They're out there. All you need to do is look.


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Re: Liberal Bias In The Media [Re: silversoul7]
    #1762867 - 07/30/03 01:28 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

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Exactly. If you're looking for media bias, look at the stories they report, not at who's reporting them.



Perhaps you and toxic didn't really read the article.

It is about the make-up of the media and how it possibly affects the stories, not the stories themselves.


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