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Tmethyl
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Re: Has anyone considered the ecological implications? [Re: wire5]
#17628518 - 01/29/13 12:11 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would definitely see it more likely than a psilocybe(but still unlikely) that an edible would cause more ecological disturbance. Flamulina velutipes is cultivated commonly and can fruit aggressively in the wild. Oysters too of course, fast colonizers and prolific fruiters as well as dumping an impressive(unreal) spore load.
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Re: Has anyone considered the ecological implications? [Re: Tmethyl]
#17628641 - 01/29/13 12:35 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, I was actually thinking most about oysters being the worst possible culprit when writing this thread. For the reasons youve already stated.
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Re: Has anyone considered the ecological implications? [Re: wire5]
#17628728 - 01/29/13 12:50 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Another advantage with Pleurotus species is they adapt quickly and are not picky when it comes to substrate. They've been cultivated on wood, phone books, toilet paper, news paper, cardboard, brf cakes, dung, coffee, straw.. just to name a few. 
They are mushroom gangsters
If we could just get them to colonize politicians the world would be a better place.
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wire5
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Re: Has anyone considered the ecological implications? [Re: Tmethyl]
#17628888 - 01/29/13 01:14 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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If we could just get them to colonize politicians the world would be a better place.

I can picture going into the senate to be greeted by 100's of human sized/shaped "cakes" with oyster fruiting bodies jutting off of them.
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Tmethyl
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Re: Has anyone considered the ecological implications? [Re: wire5]
#17628922 - 01/29/13 01:20 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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The oysters fruiting from a political substrate would probably be tainted and inedible though. That doesn't keep me from losing hope however.
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Re: Has anyone considered the ecological implications? [Re: Tmethyl]
#17628942 - 01/29/13 01:24 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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How would it be any different than fruiting oysters off of wads of wasted money
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Re: Has anyone considered the ecological implications? [Re: wire5]
#17628957 - 01/29/13 01:26 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Has anyone considered the ecological implications? [Re: Tmethyl]
#17630182 - 01/29/13 04:43 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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What is the natural distribution of spores to begin with? I am under the impression that once airborne spores can end up traveling the whole globe? Is that true? or does a mushrooms spores only generally travel outward to a certain average radius?
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Re: Has anyone considered the ecological implications? [Re: vladtepes]
#17630443 - 01/29/13 05:16 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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They can travel the whole globe, and have even been found in the stratosphere, there is a theory in which they actually escape into space. It's heavily dependent on weather and environment, etc.
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Re: Has anyone considered the ecological implications? [Re: Tmethyl]
#17630863 - 01/29/13 06:29 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Holy shit space shrooms?!?! This os news to me, I demand aricles or more information Nao!
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Re: Has anyone considered the ecological implications? [Re: wire5]
#17630874 - 01/29/13 06:31 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm getting together some information for you.
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Re: Has anyone considered the ecological implications? [Re: Tmethyl]
#17630916 - 01/29/13 06:38 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Has anyone considered the ecological implications? [Re: wire5]
#17631174 - 01/29/13 07:19 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Also im not specifically talking about the psilocybe genus, but all cultivated mushrooms. However I've been using psilocybe as an example because they are the most fun to talk about 
Give some examples of species that don't require a disturbed environment
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Re: Has anyone considered the ecological implications? [Re: maryxmas]
#17631675 - 01/29/13 08:32 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have a good gif that show the movement of the airborne dust of the Sahara and of one of the desert in China.
If those aglomerations of dirt can travel to the amazon forest i have no doubt that spores can travel very long distances.
Also, past a certain aerodynamic diameter, the particules wont ever fall on the ground except if they encounter an obstacle.
Here is the gif
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Re: Has anyone considered the ecological implications? [Re: maryxmas]
#17631827 - 01/29/13 08:51 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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maryxmas said:
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Also im not specifically talking about the psilocybe genus, but all cultivated mushrooms. However I've been using psilocybe as an example because they are the most fun to talk about 
Give some examples of species that don't require a disturbed environment
P ovoids can grow in the wild, P pelliculosa and P strictipes can grow in conifer forests, although they do thrive better in clearcuts, P azurescen was just chillin in the dune grasses before we let them loose into landscaped enviroments, P caerulipes , P quebecensis and even say P yungensis grow on naturally fallen debris ........
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Re: Has anyone considered the ecological implications? [Re: wire5]
#17632411 - 01/29/13 10:30 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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I like this thread
I work with many different government and privately owned ventures eradicating invasive exotic plants and animals in south Florida...
Has anyone ever looked into how Ganoderma zonatum is actually a bad thing here in FL?
It would be really cool if we could introduce a mushroom species that could help take out melaleuca trees and brazilian peppers, among many other non-native trees, in a similar way that G. zonatum kills palm tree species...
I thought about the negatives when I was looking into doing a mycofiltration project utilizing a non-fruiting strain of pleurotus ostreatus... but IMO/IME, there aren't any known negatives 
Thanks for starting a good discussion OP
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Re: Has anyone considered the ecological implications? [Re: vladtepes]
#17632848 - 01/30/13 12:03 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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vladtepes said: I am under the impression that once airborne spores can end up traveling the whole globe? Is that true?
I don't think so.
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or does a mushrooms spores only generally travel outward to a certain average radius?
Depends on many factors, but generally you have different species in areas that are separated geographically.
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Re: Has anyone considered the ecological implications? [Re: Alan Rockefeller] 1
#17632971 - 01/30/13 12:36 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Spores can easily travel thousands of miles.
I'm sure if there's a strong enough gust of wind, and spores are swept up into a storm and eventually the stratosphere, they can easily travel around then entire globe.
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Re: Has anyone considered the ecological implications? [Re: b plus]
#17633023 - 01/30/13 12:54 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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b plus said: Spores can easily travel thousands of miles.
I'm sure if there's a strong enough gust of wind, and spores are swept up into a storm and eventually the stratosphere, they can easily travel around then entire globe.
But for spores to start a new mushroom colony, there need to be two spores from the same species that germinate near each other. If they have traveled a long ways, the chance of this happening is almost 0%.
I agree that spores can travel the entire globe, however when they arrive at their destination they will probably have been sterilized by ultraviolet light.
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Re: Has anyone considered the ecological implications? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#17634070 - 01/30/13 09:32 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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b plus said: Spores can easily travel thousands of miles.
I'm sure if there's a strong enough gust of wind, and spores are swept up into a storm and eventually the stratosphere, they can easily travel around then entire globe.
But for spores to start a new mushroom colony, there need to be two spores from the same species that germinate near each other. If they have traveled a long ways, the chance of this happening is almost 0%.
I agree that spores can travel the entire globe, however when they arrive at their destination they will probably have been sterilized by ultraviolet light.
thats just it, the chance of 2 spores landing in the same place after traveling through the stratosphere is pretty slim! good call!
i live in an area where button mushrooms are cultivated by the thousands and ive only seen an A bisporus in the wild once. and ive even hunted fields and places that are right next to mushroom farms.
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