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1st flush ever (Mazatapec growbox)
    #17613849 - 01/26/13 12:48 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Hi,

I've ordered a Mazatapec growbox and I'm near harvesting time of the first flush, I think.





I have several questions though:
1. The first shroom had its veil break today, should I harvest everything, or wait for the other ones to grow ? (there are still some really tiny ones, it's a pitty not to let them grow)
2. The growbox is like a tupperware (transparent on the sides) and some mushrooms were growing on the sides. Seemed like a waste so I put a cardboard box around it so as to prevent it. Is this a good idea ?
3. I put the growbox on a shelf, and the mushrooms grew pretty small (I think). Will putting it on the ground make the mushrooms grow taller ?

Thanks for reading !

Edited by MyXiLo (01/26/13 03:01 PM)

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Re: 1st flush ever (Mazatapec growbox) [Re: MyXiLo]
    #17613861 - 01/26/13 12:51 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Hey, most people like it better if you upload your pics to your shroomery account.

Just click "Pics" by your username at the top left.

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Re: 1st flush ever (Mazatapec growbox) [Re: Khii Khwaay]
    #17613870 - 01/26/13 12:54 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

OK, thanks for the info !

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Re: 1st flush ever (Mazatapec growbox) [Re: MyXiLo]
    #17613890 - 01/26/13 01:03 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I think you can let it wait a day or so but harvest the one's the are fully matured (:

If you see black spots, harvest immediately

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Re: 1st flush ever (Mazatapec growbox) [Re: SkeletalSpore]
    #17613910 - 01/26/13 01:12 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the reply.

Okay, so I think I'll wait until tomorrow to harvest. But what do you do with the little ones ? Is it the end of the flush as soon as you harvest the matured ones, or can you wait for the tiny ones to grow ?

What are the black spots you are talking about ?

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Re: 1st flush ever (Mazatapec growbox) [Re: MyXiLo]
    #17613932 - 01/26/13 01:18 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Harvest matured one's as soon as you can, black spots/mold grow on mushrooms not too long after mushrooms have matured. You can wait for the pins, but if you start seeing any mold or discolorations harvest immediately. :mushroom2:


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Re: 1st flush ever (Mazatapec growbox) [Re: SkeletalSpore]
    #17614067 - 01/26/13 02:02 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

What you're talking about- "black spots"- aren't mold. They are spores released from mature mushrooms.

OP, those are almost there... Harvest them selectively as the veils break.

Just curious, but what temperature are you fruiting at, and how deep is the substrate in that box?

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Re: 1st flush ever (Mazatapec growbox) [Re: Khii Khwaay]
    #17614118 - 01/26/13 02:20 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

At the end of the flush you'll probably have to pick a couple that have not yet grew up completely. I don't usually pick any until the day i go in and harvest than dunk the same night and birth the next day.  It's all up to your preference really, do you like it when their veils have broken or not?  Some wait until they all have broken and spores are every where after that.  Others wait until they all look like there about to pop and just go in and pick most of them than dunk it.  You want to put something that light cannot get threw on the sides( preventing the mushies from growing up the sides). Putting it on the ground will not make it grow any better.  Keep it on a shelf with temps aroung 74F and you should be good to go.
You are near your first flush, if the pictures are today's recent, I'd maybe wait another day or two for all the other mushies to catch up before picking them all.


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Re: 1st flush ever (Mazatapec growbox) [Re: SkeletalSpore]
    #17614139 - 01/26/13 02:26 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Black spots appearing after the mushies broke their veils are spores that are falling.  When spores do fall in your FC on the mycelium, it does make it harder for pinning.  I do not prefer to let my mushies spore in the FC.


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Re: 1st flush ever (Mazatapec growbox) [Re: Zeparthian]
    #17614169 - 01/26/13 02:33 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: 1st flush ever (Mazatapec growbox) [Re: MyXiLo]
    #17614319 - 01/26/13 03:02 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

@Khii Khwaay:
My radiator says it's 22°C (71.6°F), but I suspect it's actually colder, maybe 20°C (68°F).

The substrate is 6.5cm deep (2.6 inches).


@Zeparthian:
I find them more beautiful when the veil has broken, but I'm concerned that the spores will make it more difficult for the next ones to grow, as you've said. Since it's my first flush, I think I'll wait until the veil has broken so that I can see what it looks like, then, the next flush, I'll try to pick them right before. Do spores have a taste ?

Indeed, I probably should have put something to prevent the light to go through, right at the beginning. A LOT of shrooms have grown on the sides...:frown: Will it be "dangerous" for the next flush ? Will it rot or something ? Because it would be perilous to try to remove them.

Wow, 74°F ? Are you living in a sauna ? :smile:


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Just did, it wasn't adding much info...

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Re: 1st flush ever (Mazatapec growbox) [Re: MyXiLo]
    #17614394 - 01/26/13 03:13 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

MyXiLo said:
Hi,

I've ordered a Mazatapec growbox and I'm near harvesting time of the first flush, I think.





I have several questions though:
1. The first shroom had its veil break today, should I harvest everything, or wait for the other ones to grow ? (there are still some really tiny ones, it's a pitty not to let them grow)
2. The growbox is like a tupperware (transparent on the sides) and some mushrooms were growing on the sides. Seemed like a waste so I put a cardboard box around it so as to prevent it. Is this a good idea ?
3. I put the growbox on a shelf, and the mushrooms grew pretty small (I think). Will putting it on the ground make the mushrooms grow taller ?

Thanks for reading !




Once the veil starts to tear or/and has broken it's a sign that the mushroom will not become any more potent but you'll still see increased growth (this is why aborts are considered so potent). Actually some of the more mature pins already have all the actives that they will ever have as that's how shrooms grow, not by cell division but by retaining water, hence the 90% loss of weight when dried. So when the veil starts to tear is considered the optimum time to harvest, if it's next to or part of a group of shrooms that aren't as mature just cut off at the base with a sterilized blade or scissors.

It's advised to allow your substrate to recover for a couple of days after each flush then dunk for 1-4 hours and do it all again...

Never remove the pins as these are your future flushes!!

Never place on the floor as the first foot or so above the floor is by far the most contaminated air in your house.


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Re: 1st flush ever (Mazatapec growbox) [Re: MyXiLo]
    #17614405 - 01/26/13 03:15 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

It will make it more difficult for the pins to grow on the spot the spores hit your substrate. I'd only let a few pop than if you want a few that have fully matured. My current tub is sitting at a good 22C-25C during the day and at night, 19C-22C.  For your side problem, if you cant harvest them, or get to them.  Just leave them until you flush, that use sterile procedures in getting them mushies on the sides.  Because they'll all taste good :eek:


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Re: 1st flush ever (Mazatapec growbox) [Re: MyXiLo]
    #17614545 - 01/26/13 03:37 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

@Doc_D
Thanks for the info !

I was wondering if I could seperate mushroom groups. Now I know.

@Zeparthian
Do you mean you actually keep the mushrooms that grew on the sides ? There's so much of them ! But they don't all look too good...


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Re: 1st flush ever (Mazatapec growbox) [Re: MyXiLo]
    #17614592 - 01/26/13 03:44 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Yes I would still get all them mushies, I would harvest them bad boys in at least 3 days.  Using all sterile procedures though. Can you get the Tupperware container off of the sub? (i wouldnt try until your ready to flush)


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Re: 1st flush ever (Mazatapec growbox) [Re: Zeparthian]
    #17614600 - 01/26/13 03:45 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I don't see any reason why you can't take them mushies, they all look good and not contaminated.  Good luck :thumbup:


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Re: 1st flush ever (Mazatapec growbox) [Re: Zeparthian]
    #17614642 - 01/26/13 03:52 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

@Zeparthian
Yes I can get the tupperware out of the bag. As you're advising, I'll only do that when the others will be harvested.

I have no idea how to get the substrate out of the tupperware in a sterile way though. Any advice ?

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Re: 1st flush ever (Mazatapec growbox) [Re: MyXiLo]
    #17614703 - 01/26/13 04:03 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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@Zeparthian
Yes I can get the tupperware out of the bag. As you're advising, I'll only do that when the others will be harvested.

I have no idea how to get the substrate out of the tupperware in a sterile way though. Any advice ?




It doesn’t really matter now as your substrate is colonised and consequently much more contaminate-resistant, a lot of people remove the substrate to dunk as it’s either not convenient or they struggle fitting a monotub in the bath.

Personally I would advise that after your first flush and just prior to dunking simply turn the tub upside down to release the substrate then  remove the pins (if you need to).


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Re: 1st flush ever (Mazatapec growbox) [Re: Doc_D]
    #17614720 - 01/26/13 04:07 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Good point ! And it makes my life much easier !

Thanks.

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Re: 1st flush ever (Mazatapec growbox) [Re: Zeparthian]
    #17614729 - 01/26/13 04:09 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Yes I would still get all them mushies, I would harvest them bad boys in at least 3 days.  Using all sterile procedures though.





Sterile? Do you mean washing your hands or using gloves/sterile blade?


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Re: 1st flush ever (Mazatapec growbox) [Re: MyXiLo]
    #17614760 - 01/26/13 04:15 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Good point ! And it makes my life much easier !

Thanks.




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Re: 1st flush ever (Mazatapec growbox) [Re: Doc_D]
    #17614778 - 01/26/13 04:18 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

put some duct tape around the container or paint it  to help stop side pinning. (Y)


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Re: 1st flush ever (Mazatapec growbox) [Re: Doc_D]
    #17614793 - 01/26/13 04:20 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Yes I would still get all them mushies, I would harvest them bad boys in at least 3 days.  Using all sterile procedures though.





Sterile? Do you mean washing your hands or using gloves/sterile blade?



You really don't need to be sterile. Before I harvest, I like to clean my hands, throw on gloves, alcohol wipe and flame my blade. There isn't a really good way to harvest the shrooms in a sterile manner. I just try to be as clean as possible.

By the time you are harvesting, the substrate should be absolutely colonized so there is far less chance of contamination (when compared to grains or raw sub.)

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Re: 1st flush ever (Mazatapec growbox) [Re: elcooperino]
    #17614804 - 01/26/13 04:22 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

The growbox was shipped in a fitting cardboard box so I put it back into its box, its perfect, but a little too late... Now I know !

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Re: 1st flush ever (Mazatapec growbox) [Re: ps118]
    #17614849 - 01/26/13 04:32 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Yes I would still get all them mushies, I would harvest them bad boys in at least 3 days.  Using all sterile procedures though.





Sterile? Do you mean washing your hands or using gloves/sterile blade?




You really don't need to be sterile. Before I harvest, I like to clean my hands, throw on gloves, alcohol wipe and flame my blade. There isn't a really good way to harvest the shrooms in a sterile manner. I just try to be as clean as possible.

By the time you are harvesting, the substrate should be absolutely colonized so there is far less chance of contamination (when compared to grains or raw sub.)




Yeah I know, :wink: a couple of posts back I wrote:


Quote:

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It doesn’t really matter now as your substrate is colonised and consequently much more contaminate-resistant,






This is why I was asking what exactly was meant by Zeparthian when he said to, "use all sterile procedures though."


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Re: 1st flush ever (Mazatapec growbox) [Re: Doc_D]
    #17617810 - 01/27/13 07:42 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Hi !

So I've harvested the little guys :

(Photo is 3h after harvesting)

and still several questions:
1. How do you clean them if you plan to dry them ?
2. Can you tell me how they look ? Especially almost all of them darkened at the bottom (seems pretty normal, right ?).


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Re: 1st flush ever (Mazatapec growbox) [Re: MyXiLo]
    #17619046 - 01/27/13 01:31 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

The darkening is from bruising, when you picked them you kind of hurt the little fellows.  Also spores from the open ones have dropped on the stem a tad I'm sure, adding the the "darkness" look.  Cubes usually bruise dark blue were pressed to hard or "hurt". They all look great man, congratulations :thumbup: :mushroom2:


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Re: 1st flush ever (Mazatapec growbox) [Re: Doc_D]
    #17619051 - 01/27/13 01:33 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

"You really don't need to be sterile. Before I harvest, I like to clean my hands, throw on gloves, alcohol wipe and flame my blade. There isn't a really good way to harvest the shrooms in a sterile manner. I just try to be as clean as possible" 
This is all I had meant, sorry for the confusion though.


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Re: 1st flush ever (Mazatapec growbox) [Re: Zeparthian]
    #17619494 - 01/27/13 03:09 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I simply went for a good hand washing. I didn't use a knife since it's not very practical in the bag.

Good to know you can bruise mushrooms.

Thanks everyone for your replies !


(If anyone has advices on cleaning mushrooms ? I simple rubbed them with my fingers : that's not very clean. But it may be enough)

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Re: 1st flush ever (Mazatapec growbox) [Re: MyXiLo]
    #17619666 - 01/27/13 04:01 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I use scissors to harvest and i just cut off the bottoms where there is sub...That's my method at least..


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