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Offlinewingnutx
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Blair accused by Greeks of crimes against humanity
    #1759216 - 07/29/03 11:32 AM (14 years, 24 days ago)


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/07/29/wirq29.xml&sSheet=/portal/2003/07/29/ixportal.html
Blair accused by Greeks of crimes against humanity

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in Brussels
(Filed: 29/07/2003)


Tony Blair was accused yesterday of "crimes against humanity" in a lawsuit lodged at the International Criminal Court in The Hague by Greek lawyers.

The Athens Bar Association filed 22 charges against the Prime Minister and senior Cabinet members, alleging that they invaded a sovereign country on a dubious pretext.

"The repeated, blatant violations by the United States and Britain of the stipulations of the four 1949 Geneva conventions, the 1954 Convention of The Hague as well as of the International Criminal Court's charter constitute war crimes and crimes against humanity," said the group.

The case is based on press clippings and news reports, many from Greece's anti-American media.

Jack Straw, the Foreign Secretary, and Geoff Hoon, the Defence Secretary, were among those named, but the Bush administration was spared because America has refused to sign up to the ICC.

Washington fears the court could degenerate into a political circus and subject US officials to constant harassment.

Stephen Jakobi, the president of Fair Trials Abroad, said the Athens Bar was playing into the hands of those who wished to stop the ICC gaining credibility before it had prosecuted its first case.

"People with a political axe to grind can do great damage to this institution. It reminds me of the cases in the Belgian courts against [President George W] Bush and [the Israeli prime minister, Ariel] Sharon where every bunch of crazies tried to take advantage," he said.

The case is highly unlikely to reach court since it can act only in cases where national courts are unable or unwilling to pursue abuses. The ICC already has more than 500 complaints to review, at least 100 involving the war in Iraq.

There is no evidence that Mr Blair deliberately targeted civilians in Iraq, regarded as the most plausible trigger for a war crimes prosecution.

Dimitros Paxinos, the bar association president, said Mr Blair would be expected to testify if there was an "indication of guilt".

While this is a far-fetched possibility, Mr Blair cannot credibly invoke immunity as a national leader since Labour is a strong advocate of the court's statute, which applies "equally to all persons without any distinction based on offical capacity".

The court is separate from the International War Crimes Tribunal in The Hague.



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Re: Blair accused by Greeks of crimes against humanity [Re: wingnutx]
    #1759217 - 07/29/03 11:32 AM (14 years, 24 days ago)

heh, news clippings.


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Re: Blair accused by Greeks of crimes against humanity [Re: wingnutx]
    #1759307 - 07/29/03 12:35 PM (14 years, 24 days ago)

Yup, the ICC was just a wonderful idea.


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Re: Blair accused by Greeks of crimes against humanity [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1759556 - 07/29/03 02:50 PM (14 years, 24 days ago)

luvdemshrooms , do you favor or oppose an International Court?


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Re: Blair accused by Greeks of crimes against humanity [Re: TheHobbit]
    #1759573 - 07/29/03 02:55 PM (14 years, 24 days ago)

I oppose a permanent one. Special purpose ones can be judged on a case-by-case basis.



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Re: Blair accused by Greeks of crimes against humanity [Re: TheHobbit]
    #1759599 - 07/29/03 03:06 PM (14 years, 24 days ago)

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TheHobbit said:
luvdemshrooms , do you favor or oppose an International Court?


Oppose. If a person violates the laws in a country, he or she should stand trial in that country. An ICC could be used in a political, rather than a legal manner. As is evidenced by these charges against Blair.


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Re: Blair accused by Greeks of crimes against humanity [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1759634 - 07/29/03 03:21 PM (14 years, 24 days ago)

I guess I'm just wondering, if there is to be international interaction between nations, military interactions for example, should there not be a court system within which crimes of an international nature could be tried? The Geneva Conventions pertain to such activities, and should not an international court then exist for the purpose of enforcing such treaties?


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Re: Blair accused by Greeks of crimes against humanity [Re: TheHobbit]
    #1759649 - 07/29/03 03:28 PM (14 years, 24 days ago)

A court such as this can be mis-used in far too many ways.

What is fair game to you today, may not be tomorrow.

Blair is on the list, who might be next?

What goes around, comes around. Seeing as the different countries of the world have different needs and justice systems.... how can a one size fits all court ever hope to work?

If you can think of a way to keep politics out of such a court, let me know.


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