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Growing Mushrooms as a minor?
    #17586712 - 01/21/13 06:40 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

A friend in my school was thinking of growing mushrooms... I was just wondering how much trouble my friend could get into for growing and potentially selling mushrooms as a minor. (location:Canada)

Just curious so I could let him know...

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Re: Growing Mushrooms as a minor? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #17589031 - 01/22/13 06:57 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Anonymous said:
A friend in my school was thinking of growing mushrooms... I was just wondering how much trouble my friend could get into for growing and potentially selling mushrooms as a minor. (location:Canada)

Just curious so I could let him know...




How old is a minor?
Under 18?
How old are you?


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Re: Growing Mushrooms as a minor? [Re: Cyclohexylamine] * 2
    #17589754 - 01/22/13 11:17 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

User has been banned for being underage.

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Re: Growing Mushrooms as a minor? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #17595992 - 01/23/13 11:47 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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User has been banned for being underage.




...apparently twice in 2 days, lol.


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Re: Growing Mushrooms as a minor? [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #17596409 - 01/23/13 01:12 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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...apparently twice in 2 days, lol.




No, he was banned just once, permanently, until he can prove that he is 18.

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Re: Growing Mushrooms as a minor? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #17596835 - 01/23/13 02:14 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Just in case someone is lurking at a later date.


http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/PDF/C-38.8.pdf


"46. Every person who contravenes a provision of this Act for which punishment is not
otherwise provided or a regulation, other than a
designated regulation within the meaning of
Part V,
(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to a fine not exceeding five thousand
dollars or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three years, or to both; or
(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on
summary conviction and liable to a fine not
exceeding one thousand dollars or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months,
or to both."


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36fuckin5 said:
...apparently twice in 2 days, lol.




No, he was banned just once, permanently, until he can prove that he is 18.




How can he prove he's 18 if he's perma-banned?

Edited by Baybadays (01/23/13 02:16 PM)

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Re: Growing Mushrooms as a minor? [Re: Baybadays]
    #17597481 - 01/23/13 04:10 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Hope he also realizes dealing at schools can raise the consequences significantly

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Re: Growing Mushrooms as a minor? [Re: Baybadays]
    #17597649 - 01/23/13 04:46 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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How can he prove he's 18 if he's perma-banned?




He can file a support ticket that includes documentation of his age.

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Re: Growing Mushrooms as a minor? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #17605430 - 01/24/13 08:22 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't say this otherwise, but this is the security and safety forum, so here goes...

He could simply use a proxy, or wait a few days for his ISP to give him a new IP, no need for a support ticket. Let's not pretend that the Shroomery has some amazing banning program.

With all due respect, Alan, I think I speak for most on this site when I say I am very hesitant to trust companies with copies of my identification, especially sites associated with illegal activity (e.g. the Shroomery). If I were unfairly banned for being a minor, there's not a chance I'd send you a copy of my personal documents.

That said, the answer is that most minor CDSA violations (and selling small amounts of mushrooms would be considered minor) result in a Young Offender Summary Offense charge. If you are found guilty, you will probably get some probation and community service, but probably no drug tests.

Young Offenders aren't "convicted," but rather, "found guilty." This may seem like semantics, but it means that you can legally and honestly tick "no" if you are ever asked on a job application if you have been "convicted" of a criminal offense. Additionally, the record of your offense is sealed 3 years after the completion of your sentence. A common misconception is that it is sealed on your 18th birthday but this is NOT the case! If you are 16 and sentenced to a year of probation, your record will not be sealed until you are 20. This means that it is visible to border guards, government officials, and possibly even basic police background checks. Certainly, vulnerable sector police checks will see it.

After the three years, however, it is as if the offense never happened. Even the U.S. customs officers will not be able to see this. Keep in mind though, that if you try to cross the border during that three years, there is nothing stopping the U.S. government for keeping information about your offense indefinitely. In my experience, however, they don't care about minor drug offenses committed as a minor.

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Re: Growing Mushrooms as a minor? [Re: MikeOlogy]
    #17609668 - 01/25/13 03:24 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

He could do that, but Alan, representing the shroomery, took reasonable measures.


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Re: Growing Mushrooms as a minor? [Re: shaggyp]
    #17609726 - 01/25/13 03:36 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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He could do that, but Alan, representing the shroomery, took reasonable measures.




Exactly, we do what we can. 

Though I didn't ban the guy, another mod saw it first.  He actually posted something in a different forum that was a whole lot more hilarious and obvious.

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Re: Growing Mushrooms as a minor? [Re: MikeOlogy]
    #17619588 - 01/27/13 03:35 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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MikeOlogy said:
I wouldn't say this otherwise, but this is the security and safety forum, so here goes...

He could simply use a proxy, or wait a few days for his ISP to give him a new IP, no need for a support ticket. Let's not pretend that the Shroomery has some amazing banning program.





So what?

You seem to be under the misconception that anybody particularly cares about stuff like that.  The main problem is the tolerance of children on this site, in my opinion.  So long as minors are not tolerated and are banned when discovered, it cannot be said that this site functions as a knowing gathering place/community for them.

Anyways, things aren't as simple as you make them out to be.  If you want to find someone's puppet, its pretty easy in most cases, even if they never use the same IPs again (which is unlikely).

Those that are more successful aren't a problem anyways or they'd be banned on the merits rather than as a puppet.
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With all due respect, Alan, I think I speak for most on this site when I say I am very hesitant to trust companies with copies of my identification, especially sites associated with illegal activity (e.g. the Shroomery). If I were unfairly banned for being a minor, there's not a chance I'd send you a copy of my personal documents.






Nobody wants your identification, they just want you to be over 18.  If you don't self-identify yourself you won't be banned for being under 18 and if you do, its no sweat off the admin's back if you decline to identify yourself.
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That said, the answer is that most minor CDSA violations (and selling small amounts of mushrooms would be considered minor) result in a Young Offender Summary Offense charge. If you are found guilty, you will probably get some probation and community service, but probably no drug tests.




This is very misleading.  Please don't attempt to summarize the entirety of the world's law in one statement.

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Re: Growing Mushrooms as a minor? [Re: johnm214]
    #17620574 - 01/27/13 07:23 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I haven't tried to "summarize the entirety of the world's law in one statement." I was offering my layman's opinion of a specific violation of a specific law in a specific jurisdiction by a specific individual, based on my personal experience. Which parts do you think are misleading? Are you going to provide any meaningful input, or are you just going to project your negative attitude?

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Re: Growing Mushrooms as a minor? [Re: MikeOlogy]
    #17620674 - 01/27/13 07:46 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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I haven't tried to "summarize the entirety of the world's law in one statement." I was offering my layman's opinion of a specific violation of a specific law in a specific jurisdiction by a specific individual, based on my personal experience. Which parts do you think are misleading? Are you going to provide any meaningful input, or are you just going to project your negative attitude?





Where did you specify the 'specific law' and 'specific jurisdiction' and 'specific individual'?  I didn't see that part, but I did see you make declarative staements about what would happen in certain circumstances.  That's the part I found misleading.

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Re: Growing Mushrooms as a minor? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #17627840 - 01/27/13 07:46 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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