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a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace
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..........is all we'll ever be.
why do some people fear death so much? i meeeeaaan reeeallly. You cant ever experience death, because in order to die, your senses must be shut down. So why fear something you will never truly meet?
its like....your driving to disneyland but you dont have enough gas, so you'll never make it there. But you're still thinking:
"aw shit, whats it gonna be like? will it be fun? will it be scary?"
but you're never going to disneyland brother, you're never gonna be able to hug mickey mouse.
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I hear there are big lines to hug micky mouse too.. those fucking corporations are always lying with their mass media campaigns.
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: Dogomush]
#1758234 - 07/29/03 12:16 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't think death should feared. Although, I think their is a consiousness beyond are ordinary sense perception, especially because their are OBe's and NDE's.
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: Earth_Droid]
#1758243 - 07/29/03 12:19 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think death should be feared. Why not? Fear of death keeps your blood red.
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: Earth_Droid]
#1758247 - 07/29/03 12:20 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah, but there isnt ego consciousness after death. and your ego is your memories, so when your senses die, your ego dies and your memories evapourate. So, the living consciousness cant really pass on its experiences to the after-death consciousness. You know...there is no line of communication. But...im not really an expert on this type of thing...but! my girlfriend did have the following dream last night:
she died, and after she died she floated into outerspace and saw earth from an external point of view then thought: "oh yeah, i remember this".
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profound, my brotha!
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dogomush: "I think death should be feared. Why not? Fear of death keeps your blood red."
thats typical brainwashed american bullshit, you should read AdBusters and watch less TV.
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: Earth_Droid]
#1758258 - 07/29/03 12:25 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Earth_Droid said: I think their is a consiousness beyond are ordinary sense perception, especially because their are OBe's and NDE's.
Both of which can be induced by ketamine.
When your brain is at risk of death, it releases endopsychosins, which are neuropharmacologically identical to ketamine.
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: Pyronate]
#1758265 - 07/29/03 12:28 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeeaahh...ketemine maan, it will make you experience..the unexperiencable
hehehe...wohhhhhh! brain-fry! bssszxxxxkkkkk!!!
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Correct, you can't ever experience death as a human. There could still be a death experience to be had by some other form of consciousness, though.
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: Rhizoid]
#1758312 - 07/29/03 12:47 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Here's a thought.
If you hold the view that death of our physical body involves the loss of our memories, identity, etc. and a merging with the overall consciousness, then would it not thus follow that we CAN experience something very like death through the induction of psychedelic ego loss?
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: Rhizoid]
#1758315 - 07/29/03 12:48 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Beyond the ego, their are higher states of awareness where the memories of past and future evolution can be observed, or you can become part of a universal mind, e.t.c.
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: Pyronate]
#1758317 - 07/29/03 12:48 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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no, because it is still sensory. It may be green and not red...but its still a colour. death is black. no, its way beyond black, death is the absence of black. you dig? earth droid: sources?
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Check out www.deoxy.org and read eightfold model of consiousness. That explains lots of what I mean. And perhaps check Jung's description of archetypes.
Edited by Earth_Droid (07/29/03 12:56 AM)
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I don't know.. I've died like 400,000 times and I don't remember it ever going completely black.. except for nocturnal slumber. Consciousness is eternal. I know, sometimes I wished it would just go black, but it never did... only for short periods of time, during cogitative state..or sleep.. you know.. where you ponder your past/current lives and their experiences before returning back to physical plane for MORE PHYSICAL LEARNING WOOO! But don't worry, it will all come back to you eventually, you'll remember.
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: Pyronate]
#1758427 - 07/29/03 01:29 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think the psychedelic ego death experience shows us death and rebirth in the form of projections into a human brain. The brain is after all still living and recording stuff during the experience.
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: Rhizoid]
#1758445 - 07/29/03 01:38 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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The brain is a physical computer, it gets energy from the body. It is a processor for physical reality. Consciousness is the observer. Consciousness is in the form of spiritual energy. It is separate, yet integrated with the physical body during incarnation. Sometimes, the consciousness can wander away from the body, as in astral projection or oobe..or similarly, the 'ego death' experienced from a psychadelic experience. Memory exists with consciousness, not in the body. That is why you can leave your body and still retain full consciousness and memory. 'you' are your consciousness and memories, not your brain.
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: Shroomism]
#1758458 - 07/29/03 01:44 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Your brain holds your consiousness and memories though Shroomism.
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: Earth_Droid]
#1758471 - 07/29/03 01:48 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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While you're focused in the physical realm, sure. But when you sleep?
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: Shroomism]
#1758500 - 07/29/03 02:02 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think that your brain is connected to a sort of cosmic consiousness. And when you are asleep, this consiousness is responsable for where you go.
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: Earth_Droid]
#1758519 - 07/29/03 02:07 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think of it similarly, as the energy coming through the crown chakra into the system. But I don't think of the brain as controlling memory. Memory can be suppressed from extreme trauma, fear, or something similar. The brain processes the physical world, categorizes things, it's the home of the ego, it is conscious mind. Subconscious is deeper, and unconscious is even deeper.
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: Rhizoid]
#1758545 - 07/29/03 02:23 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Rhizoid said: Correct, you can't ever experience death as a human. There could still be a death experience to be had by some other form of consciousness, though.
From what I have seen, everyone experiences it, once...;)
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: Sev]
#1759223 - 07/29/03 09:37 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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im not scared of death. Its never happend to me! I am not quite sure that it even happens.
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why do some people fear death so much? i meeeeaaan reeeallly. You cant ever experience death, because in order to die, your senses must be shut down. So why fear something you will never truly meet?
maybe they fear the part about the senses shutting down .
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: infidelGOD]
#1760791 - 07/29/03 07:30 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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so why dont they fear sleep?
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ummm. maybe because they know they will wake up the next morning? death = senses shutting down permanently. I don't think it's irrational to fear death. as long as that fear doesn't lead to irrational beliefs.
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: infidelGOD]
#1760898 - 07/29/03 08:02 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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the moment before death is what i am looking forward too. there is no way to prepare for that moment, except to experience it. i hope not to break down in fear, then again being happy seems equally pointless. i can only watch...
then there is suicide, with a gun to your head... you know when the moment is coming, you can feel your last breath as you pull that trigger. what is going through your head? probably nothing profound. the moment before death is probably a huge mess of emotions, which don't show you anything except the chaos of the human existence.
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: ]
#1760947 - 07/29/03 08:17 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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I fear death.
but moreso than fear death, I have a definite attachment to life, and do not want to let it go. im scared of letting it go, because it's all I know. so you can bet I would FREAK if I thought I was about to die.
sorta like being really shy and going to your first day of school maybe? no idea what to expect. seeing that bus pulling around the corner to come pick you up... whats going to happen?
but I also accept that I could die anytime I get in a car. it is inevitable anyways... it will come for you eventually. when it comes I will face it, but until then I am in no hurry at all.
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: Grav]
#1760962 - 07/29/03 08:23 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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I fear death as well.. not neccassary fear the act of dying, but I don't like pain, so that's kind of a turn off, plus, I can't imagine how it would effect my little brothers and the others that I love. A few years back that's the only reason I didn't commit suicide... kinda sad, but whatever. I pulled through, and I'm feeling happy to be alive.
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atomikfunksoldier said: why do some people fear death so much?
Evolutionary advantage.
Fear of death is a trait that contributes towards the survival of the species that possesses it, even if it is irrational.
Long ago, there may have been a group of humans that didn't fear death. But then they all died and everyone else forgot about them.
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so what does this have to do with a dog's skeleton in outer space? I thought it was a huge tree.
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: infidelGOD]
#1761587 - 07/30/03 12:19 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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well, YOU and I are the dog's skeleton floating in outer space.
its a metaphor, dig?
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so why dont they fear sleep?
I used to fear sleep when I was a kid. I didn't want to disconnect.
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: Rhizoid]
#1761953 - 07/30/03 04:06 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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When you die you might ripple a morfogenetic field somewhere but you as a seperate and finite identity are gone. No input no storage no you. Dying is necessary for a species to adapt. The old models deteriorate and the newer ones replace them. I do not fear death but I I love live I do no want to die because I like ME I do not want to lose me. Even if Psychedelics could make me experience ego death I still would be pretty happy to get myself back. to not have an ego is something for the "afterlife" this life I'm on the ME trip and it's gonna take say 70 to 80 years of me. that's so little me for an eternity of not me nor I nor world simply called Death
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: JuR]
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Did Laika fear death ?
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: MAIA]
#1762491 - 07/30/03 11:16 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you die while astral projecting, will you be forever floating around, without a body, without a home, or will you get sucked back in and put into a new body? Question of the day... Peace.
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: fireworks_god]
#1762548 - 07/30/03 11:42 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's what the silver etheric cord is there for buddy.. But no, if somehow it did get cut, you would still find your way back to the body. If you died, well then you'd move on to the other side and do it like normal.
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: Shroomism]
#1762593 - 07/30/03 12:03 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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No, I know about the cord, I was just wondering what anyone thought would happen if you died in your sleep, while you were astral projecting. I wasn't being dumb about it or anything, I was just wondering. Peace.
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atomikfunksoldier said: death is black. no, its way beyond black, death is the absence of black.
Black = absence of color.
Absence of black = absence of absence of color = color.
You just contradicted yourself...
And anyways, how would you know more than anyone else here what death is...
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: Meph]
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Meph said: Black = absence of color.
Absence of black = absence of absence of color = color.
You just contradicted yourself...
Black is not a colour!
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: Azmodeus]
#1762648 - 07/30/03 12:19 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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When did I say black was a color? I said black is an absence of color, which it is...
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: Azmodeus]
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oooh good one meph, I think everyone understood my point without the needless semantic investigation.
"meph" : And anyways, how would you know more than anyone else here what death is...
ding ding ding! you win! I dont know, wow...what a surprise!
so, we might as well NEVER speculate on anything!
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I'm not saying speculating is useless. But honestly, for all we know, death could be anything. To speculate, we need at least a range of possibilities, which we don't have...
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so why dont they fear sleep? Because before you go to sleep you are not on an IV drip, in excruciating pain from the cancer eating away at your body. Nor are you surrounded by loved ones wailing at your pending demise as you look at the hot young nurse in the crisply starched uniform, achingly knowing you can never again taste that delight for all eternity...
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: Swami]
#1763133 - 07/30/03 03:05 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I for one look forward to death. I don't go and seek it out or anything, but I wish to move on and experience more in this universe than the bullshit emotions game we call earth. Also i'm tired of living in this...I don't know, I don't feel at home here. Like I know there's something bigger and greater out there, waiting for me to die. Until then, I sit here waiting for death to slip me the date rape drug of sweet bliss...
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: FtMnsWeedisDank]
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swami- i wasnt talking about the fear of immediate death, more about the general fear of death that plagues perfectly healthy people. but even in the situation you described, a fear of death is still silly.
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Re: a dog's skeleton floating in outerspace [Re: Earth_Droid]
#1763180 - 07/30/03 03:23 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Memories lost, like tears in the rain. Time to die.
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atomikfunksoldier said: swami- i wasnt talking about the fear of immediate death, more about the general fear of death that plagues perfectly healthy people.
Most people aren't plauged by a general fear of death, because they don't think about it, since they have a genearl fear of death. Get it? hehe Peace.
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