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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? *DELETED* [Re: PussyFart]
#17597302 - 01/23/13 03:38 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: Sillyputty67]
#17597357 - 01/23/13 03:48 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pan Cambo is not more potent than Pan Cyan. Whoever said that obviously hasn't grown and tested them both.
Its a difference of night and day. Cambo are kinda potent. Cyans will destroy you potent or "oh shit I ate too much" potent.
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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: Tmethyl] 1
#17597914 - 01/23/13 05:34 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said: ...Its a difference of night and day. Cambo are kinda potent. Cyans will destroy you potent or "oh shit I ate too much" potent. 
I respectfully disagree. Both have the capabilities to blow your socks off, in my experience. I have grown both quite a bit, and both are very potent. Head and shoulders above your average cubensis. I've had cambos a tad stronger than certain (pan.) cyans, and vice versa. Though that could come from any number of variables...
Regardless, they (along with tropicalis) are all quite strong, and equally easy/difficult to cultivate. Do the research (on here especially), don't deviate from trusted/proven teks/recipes/methods, and you'll have success. It's as simple as that.
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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: PussyFart]
#17600337 - 01/24/13 01:43 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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ok now I found a couple of manure and straw from Out Grow.
Well what do you call those things they sell in jars?
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CLIT said: I don't see anyone selling manure or straw substrate inoculation jars. Maybe I haven't looked hard enough. I was going to get the inoculation jars from Midwest Grow Kits but I'd have to look for manure and or straw substrate jars.
They would not sell substrate in jars, it would most likely be in bags.
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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: Sillyputty67]
#17600390 - 01/24/13 01:59 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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well you had "read". I read the same thing about Pan Cambo on the hawk's eye. It was supposed to be the strongest of all Pans. Pan Cyan is "also" strong. I had just bought some Pan Cyan (Copelandia - Hawaiian). I'll see if what you all are saying is true. I'll try Pan Cambo some other time. I'm thinking should I get manure or straw or 50/50 to inoculate? Out Grow sells a 50/50 manure/straw mixture. Should I just stick with manure?
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malicom said: I had read that Pan Cambo was supposed to be more potent than the other pan cyans. I admit it is difficult to disambiguate hype from fact.
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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: CLIT]
#17604141 - 01/24/13 05:37 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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I would personally just stick with manure...I don't know myself, but according to what I have read here, straw either has a tendency to contaminate and/or produce fewer flushes than manure.
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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: PaperTiger]
#17604163 - 01/24/13 05:40 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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PaperTiger said: I would personally just stick with manure...I don't know myself, but according to what I have read here, straw either has a tendency to contaminate and/or produce fewer flushes than manure.
Correct, but it's better to have multiple ingredients in any grows substrate. So just do something like 70% dung 30% straw, etc.
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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: Tmethyl]
#17604411 - 01/24/13 06:12 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'd stay away from straw altogether if I were you. It's not necessary, and it's a pain to work with.
Here's a good mix that I like to use for copes:
60% horse manure (leeched and dehydrated) 20% vermiculite (for aeration and water retention) 15% coco coir (for some added fluff) 5% gypsum (calcium, sulfur, pH stabilizer, among other things)
Like Tmethyl said, and I whole-heartedly agree with:
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..it's better to have multiple ingredients in any grows substrate.
If you'd rather buy a substrate blend, I highly recommend High Mountain Compost. Their stuff comes pre-hydrated, pre-pasteurized, and it's fantastic; best stuff out there in my opinion. It's literally ready to go right out of the bag. It can get pricey though.
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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: Boozie]
#17604459 - 01/24/13 06:19 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Boozie said: I'd stay away from straw altogether if I were you. It's not necessary, and it's a pain to work with.
I concur. However, if you have a farm supply store nearby, or want to order it online, you can buy straw pellets. It's basically compressed pelletized straw. Or you can chop it tiny pieces with a blender. I have a blender devoted to straw lol. It's much easier to work with when it's small pieces.
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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: Tmethyl]
#17606859 - 01/25/13 01:23 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think a lot of good stuff grow on shit. I'll stick with shit.
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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: CLIT]
#17617374 - 01/27/13 02:12 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have the pan cyan Hawaii and Australia. Is there a difference between the two other than origin?
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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: CLIT]
#17617385 - 01/27/13 02:19 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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must I use grain spawn first or I can spawn straight to manure substrate? I'm confused again now. The seller of manure substrate has a note that "if I plan to start from spore solution I need to begin with grain spawn". So for me to start growing pan cyan, I have to use grain spawn first then once it has been colonized (turned white), I can then dump it/mix it with manure substrate? Is casing required?
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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: CLIT]
#17617524 - 01/27/13 03:54 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yup, start with grain.
1. Spore solution (via syringe) > grain (rye berries, winter wheat, or millet, preferably). Make sure to prep the grain properly. 2. Let colonize (a good shake at 25-30% colonization wouldn't hurt). 3. Spawn to manure-based substrate (keep it under 2.5" depth). 4. Let colonize. Let consolidate (sit it for a solid 2-3 days after full colonization). 5. Case (yes, it's pretty much required for copes). Anything from a 50/50 mix of sphagnum peat moss/vermiculite to your every day potting or cactus soil will do (properly pasteurized, of course). Check out Jiffy mix. Keep it no more than 1/2", right on top, leveled as can be. 6. Let sit for 6-12 hours or toss it into fruiting conditions right away, your choice. 7. Soak the casing layer down really well by misting. Repeat for a day or four, then stop. There is zero misting after pins have formed. Period. 8. Maintain 95ish% RH, constant air exchange, 70-75°F, and wait for fruits.
In all honesty though, why not try some cubensis first? They're much more forgiving. Get your 'sea-legs' there, then move on the the exotics...
Either way, much luck to you.
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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: Boozie]
#17621865 - 01/28/13 12:46 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've cultivated cubes before (Penis Envy). Very easy. Seems like millet grain is not as popular as the others as I have not seen it being sold in "ready to inject" jar or bag.
So once the grain spawn is colonized, I mix it with manure substrate. Then cover it with casing? Can I use an aquarium? My past process with cubes was once the spawn is colonized I simply place it in an aquarium and it fruits from there on. I guess it's because it's cubes.
Would this cultivation process work with pan cyans: colonize into grain spawn, once colonized mix with manure substrate then cover with casing, then place in an aquarium, set thermometer at 70-72 degrees (for moisture). I usually buy my supplies ready to be used. I don't have any supplies a real mycologist would have.
Regarding the rule #3 you gave; keep what under 2.5" in depth? Shit?
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Boozie said: Yup, start with grain.
1. Spore solution (via syringe) > grain (rye berries, winter wheat, or millet, preferably). Make sure to prep the grain properly. 2. Let colonize (a good shake at 25-30% colonization wouldn't hurt). 3. Spawn to manure-based substrate (keep it under 2.5" depth). 4. Let colonize. Let consolidate (sit it for a solid 2-3 days after full colonization). 5. Case (yes, it's pretty much required for copes). Anything from a 50/50 mix of sphagnum peat moss/vermiculite to your every day potting or cactus soil will do (properly pasteurized, of course). Check out Jiffy mix. Keep it no more than 1/2", right on top, leveled as can be. 6. Let sit for 6-12 hours or toss it into fruiting conditions right away, your choice. 7. Soak the casing layer down really well by misting. Repeat for a day or four, then stop. There is zero misting after pins have formed. Period. 8. Maintain 95ish% RH, constant air exchange, 70-75°F, and wait for fruits.
In all honesty though, why not try some cubensis first? They're much more forgiving. Get your 'sea-legs' there, then move on the the exotics...
Either way, much luck to you. 
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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: CLIT]
#17626265 - 01/28/13 09:16 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Can I use an aquarium?
An aquarium type setup like I think you're describing will not work with copes (pans). You can manage it with cubensis, simply because they are more forgiving to less-than-perfect conditions. You really, really need a constant exchange of air with these guys. And I mean constant, at least if you want any kind of results.
I'm a huge advocate for greenhouse-type setups. Mainly because once they're dialed in, you can control them to a 'T'. You may not have the space or funds or desire to go that route, but there are other [cheaper/easier] options. Look into a monotub/dub-tub type FC. They're cheap, require very little maintenance, and produce. Take a peek at Stonesun's "Just As Easy As Cubes" series. He's the man when it comes to exotic species, and his teks are more than trustworthy.
Keep in mind pans are pretty delicate. And tiny. You won't see caps larger than a half-dollar (at least very often), and stems, when dry, are almost toothpick-ish. Yes, they can be nearly 4x the strength of your average cube, weight-to-weight, but you won't be finding a 1-2 gram dried fruit with pans. A tenth of that is more likely (per dried mushroom).
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Regarding the rule #3 you gave; keep what under 2.5" in depth? Shit?
The entire substrate, after you've added the grain spawn, shouldn't exceed 2-2.5 inches. It's just what the species seems to prefer.
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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: Boozie]
#17627185 - 01/29/13 01:44 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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I see. So pan cyans does not like to be buried in too much bulk substrate is what you're saying.
My grain spawn will be in spawn bags and it's rye berries. Just wondering if there's difference if grain spawn is in a jar vs. a bag. The spawn bags I bought have 3 pounds worth of grain spawn and 3-5 CCs of spore solution is recommended to me to inject.
is there such a thing as portable green house? like an aquarium but green house? I'll look into monotub or dub tub since I'm not familiar with them. Can cultivating pan cyans work using tin foil pans with cover? I've used this route with Penis Envy but then again they are cubes.
Since you mentioned casing, are vermiculites necessary to grow pan cyans? I read that vermiculites should go on the bottom and top of the colonized grain spawn and bulk substrate while if using casing, casing goes on top only and not bottom. Correct me if I'm wrong.
So if I google monotub or dub tub will I be able to buy these as is? I'm not familiar with them. Is it the same as buying a container at The Container Store?
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Can I use an aquarium?
An aquarium type setup like I think you're describing will not work with copes (pans). You can manage it with cubensis, simply because they are more forgiving to less-than-perfect conditions. You really, really need a constant exchange of air with these guys. And I mean constant, at least if you want any kind of results.
I'm a huge advocate for greenhouse-type setups. Mainly because once they're dialed in, you can control them to a 'T'. You may not have the space or funds or desire to go that route, but there are other [cheaper/easier] options. Look into a monotub/dub-tub type FC. They're cheap, require very little maintenance, and produce. Take a peek at Stonesun's "Just As Easy As Cubes" series. He's the man when it comes to exotic species, and his teks are more than trustworthy.
Keep in mind pans are pretty delicate. And tiny. You won't see caps larger than a half-dollar (at least very often), and stems, when dry, are almost toothpick-ish. Yes, they can be nearly 4x the strength of your average cube, weight-to-weight, but you won't be finding a 1-2 gram dried fruit with pans. A tenth of that is more likely (per dried mushroom).
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Regarding the rule #3 you gave; keep what under 2.5" in depth? Shit?
The entire substrate, after you've added the grain spawn, shouldn't exceed 2-2.5 inches. It's just what the species seems to prefer.
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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: Tmethyl]
#18153748 - 04/23/13 03:30 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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ever since I started growing shrooms I always bought my supply online. I'm curious if the big box stores like a home depot would have manure for sale or grain spawn or casing? I never looked into this. I'm guessing they'd be cheaper? Where is usually a farm supply store be located? I have seen farms just outside my area but never looked into a "farm supply store".
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Boozie said: I'd stay away from straw altogether if I were you. It's not necessary, and it's a pain to work with.
I concur. However, if you have a farm supply store nearby, or want to order it online, you can buy straw pellets. It's basically compressed pelletized straw. Or you can chop it tiny pieces with a blender. I have a blender devoted to straw lol. It's much easier to work with when it's small pieces.
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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? *DELETED* [Re: CLIT]
#18153882 - 04/23/13 05:42 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: Sillyputty67]
#18159599 - 04/24/13 05:48 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'll stick with horse manure for now from an online seller.
I'm just experimenting but i hope a pound of manure and a pound of casing is enough. I read about growing mushrooms in a bag but I'm not sure it will work with pan cyans. I have tried those ready made grow bags but it was never successful even with cubes.
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malicom said: Home depot/walmart does carry a lot of supplies. Home Depot has manure, its not the field dry horse manure thats optimal. I have been buying humus and manure from home depot to use in my cakes. Its composted cow manure. It works ok, but once again, is not optimal. 4$ bought me 80 lbs.
Mind you, i have only used this manure with cubes, and not pans yet. I have some pan jamaica, and pan cambo (sandose) cooking on the back burner, and will give it a shot soon. Ive also heard that just a 50/50 mix of straw and coir, and later cased will work too.
Cheers.
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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: CLIT]
#28388583 - 07/07/23 04:34 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I am thinking of trying this
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