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is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate?
    #17576873 - 01/20/13 01:34 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I was told it is one of the easiest Panaeolus mushrooms to cultivate. I read it is also the strongest Panaeolus mushroom to dose on with just a tiny bit (1 gram). I'd like to hear from anyone with experience with this strain before I cultivate it.

There seem to be 2 types of cambodginiensis:

- suphanburi thailand "goliath"
- sandose

I may be going for the "goliath" strain. I think sandose is more domesticated, right?

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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: CLIT] * 1
    #17576880 - 01/20/13 01:38 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Cambo's are not nearly as potent as Paneaolus cyanescens. I have personally cultivated them both, and ingested them both on many occasions.
Cyanescens are scary potent.
Yes they are 'easy' to cultivate, but when compared to Cubensis, they are a little more difficult, and a lot more picky of their environment.
Misting the pins even one time, can cause mass aborts. Remember once they start to pin, do not mist them anymore. They need good FAE.


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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: Tmethyl]
    #17576917 - 01/20/13 01:52 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

True on them not liking too much mist. Gets them blueing intensely. Started fanning it more and they went better. Though the flush is now mostly with undeveloped caps and a lot of abortions, it's a first one, and I hope it'll get better by the second flush. So yeah, be careful.

to Tmethyl: any advice if they need dunking between flushes at all?

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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: comaunite]
    #17576931 - 01/20/13 02:01 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

They don't actually flush like Cubensis, they will continually produce fruits for quite a long time, triple that of cubensis.
But towards the end of the cycle, you'll notice they are starting to thin out dramatically, and the mushrooms will be much smaller, these are indicators that it's time to rehydrate the substrate.

For any bulk substrate, I dunk it for  maximum of 2hrs. You don't want to dunk bulk subs for 24hours like cakes.
Just make sure it's fully submerged, you can use quart jars full of water as weights to weigh down the substrate.
Quickly after you dunk the Pans will start producing more pins (the day after the dunk normally), they are very opportunistic in the wild, and fruit with any rains, even light showers. The dunk obviously just simulates a rain.


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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: CLIT]
    #17577162 - 01/20/13 05:18 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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CLIT said:I was told it is one of the easiest Panaeolus mushrooms to cultivate. I read it is also the strongest Panaeolus mushroom to dose on with just a tiny bit (1 gram).




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Tmethyl said:Cambo's are not nearly as potent as Paneaolus cyanescens.




My 2 cents, its true there are some Pan varieties going as 'cambodginiensis' and 'cambo' and no further branding/origin-description which are not very potent. I grew one of these and I could do 2 dry grams with hardly any visuals. But pan cambodgniensis 'Sandoze' kicks ass like any cyan IME. 1g of that is a full trip and half a gram may be enough for many. 2 grams I haven't tried but I suspect I wouldn't be able to see where I walked. I haven't tried Suphanburi Goliath, but heard it's also quite potent.

I believe uou need very meticulous microscopy to distinguish Pan cyans and cambodginiensis with certainty, as only the shape of the spores that determine which it is and that there are no macroscopic differences. Not completely sure about that though, best to ask a 'trusted identifier' to be sure. But as an example, until some years ago Sandoze was thought to be a cyan but microscopy showed it was actually cambodginiensis.

All in all I don't know whether there might be any significant average potency differences between Panaeolus cambodginiensis and cyanescens. It could be but my guess is there is more variation within each of these species than between their averages. But grow some of each for good measure, and good luck! :wink:

Edited by husmmoor (01/20/13 05:19 AM)

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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: Tmethyl]
    #17585023 - 01/21/13 01:08 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

any of the panaeolus cyanescens? I think there are 4 that I have seen: Maui Hawaii, Big Island Hawaii, Jamaica, and Australia. These are the same as copelandia panaeolus cyanescens, right?

I was told that psilocybe cyanescen is difficult to grow. Not sure why it's just called psilocybe cyanescen when all the others are also psilocybin mushrooms.

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Cambo's are not nearly as potent as Paneaolus cyanescens. I have personally cultivated them both, and ingested them both on many occasions.
Cyanescens are scary potent.
Yes they are 'easy' to cultivate, but when compared to Cubensis, they are a little more difficult, and a lot more picky of their environment.
Misting the pins even one time, can cause mass aborts. Remember once they start to pin, do not mist them anymore. They need good FAE.



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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: CLIT]
    #17585480 - 01/21/13 02:29 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Psilocybe cyanescens is a different mushroom altogether, growing on wood and in colder climates, and it takes longer to reach fruiting. Whereas pans cyanescens/cambodginiensis (and psilocybe cubensis) grow on dung and in tropical/subtropical climates, and if all goes well can often complete a full life cycle in just around a month from spore to yet another spore print.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_cyanescens

Cyanescens means bluing, which is a phenomenon common to these psilocybin mushrooms.

Pan. cyanescens and Pan. cambodginiensis are also sometimes called Copelandia cyanescens/cambodginiensis. But see this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copelandia

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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: husmmoor]
    #17588388 - 01/22/13 12:10 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

so the color of cyanescen mushrooms are blue-ish?

why are pan. cyanescens and pan. cambodginiensis only "sometimes" called "copelandia"? What makes some of it not "copelandia"? I see "copelandia" usually in parenthesis (copelandia) from spore vendors.

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Psilocybe cyanescens is a different mushroom altogether, growing on wood and in colder climates, and it takes longer to reach fruiting. Whereas pans cyanescens/cambodginiensis (and psilocybe cubensis) grow on dung and in tropical/subtropical climates, and if all goes well can often complete a full life cycle in just around a month from spore to yet another spore print.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_cyanescens

Cyanescens means bluing, which is a phenomenon common to these psilocybin mushrooms.

Pan. cyanescens and Pan. cambodginiensis are also sometimes called Copelandia cyanescens/cambodginiensis. But see this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copelandia



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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: CLIT]
    #17588425 - 01/22/13 12:19 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

The mushrooms turn bluish when bruised.

You can read more on panaeolus here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panaeolus it also has links to wiki articles on cyanescens and cambodginiensis.

From the Wikipedia link on Copelandia I posted:
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Copelandia is a now deprecated genus of mushrooms consisting of at least 12 species. Many American mycologists previously placed members of Panaeolus which stain blue into Copelandia, whilst European mycologists generally used the name Panaeolus instead. Now all mushrooms previously categorised under the Copelandia genus are given the name Panaeolus universally. The Copelandia genus was a subgenus of Panaeolus created by Abbé Giacomo Bresadola (1847–1929) in honor of Edwin Bingham Copeland (1873–1964), an American who gathered fungi in the Philippines and sent some collections to Bresadola.




I think vendors are just putting Copelandia in the description to avoid confusion, i.e. customers looking for Copelandia but finding Panaeolus and wondering if it's a different mushroom, etc.

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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: husmmoor]
    #17588589 - 01/22/13 01:14 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

the penis envy I grew was pretty blue-ish when bruised. I was probably sold cyanescen. LOL. Someone here mentioned cubensis is the easiest to grow. So is panaeolus the second easiest to grow? I'm still deciding which spore to get. I might be going for Cambodginiensis or Cyanescen. Do you know anything about Panaeolus Tropicalis (Florida)? I'm just looking to grow something easy but something different (non-cubensis) for a change. The Azurescens I tried to grow hasn't grown yet in almost a year. I chambered it in a tin foil pan and the tin foil pan got eaten out by "it". So I re-chambered it inside a terranium/aquarium. I hope it does not get eaten out since it is made of plastic. LOL.

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The mushrooms turn bluish when bruised.

You can read more on panaeolus here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panaeolus it also has links to wiki articles on cyanescens and cambodginiensis.

From the Wikipedia link on Copelandia I posted:
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Copelandia is a now deprecated genus of mushrooms consisting of at least 12 species. Many American mycologists previously placed members of Panaeolus which stain blue into Copelandia, whilst European mycologists generally used the name Panaeolus instead. Now all mushrooms previously categorised under the Copelandia genus are given the name Panaeolus universally. The Copelandia genus was a subgenus of Panaeolus created by Abbé Giacomo Bresadola (1847–1929) in honor of Edwin Bingham Copeland (1873–1964), an American who gathered fungi in the Philippines and sent some collections to Bresadola.




I think vendors are just putting Copelandia in the description to avoid confusion, i.e. customers looking for Copelandia but finding Panaeolus and wondering if it's a different mushroom, etc.



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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: CLIT]
    #17588781 - 01/22/13 02:53 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Have you been trying to cultivate the Azures indoors? If so, that may be the problem. Most Azure grows occur outdoors, with few exceptions. The Shroomery website and forums have numerous teks for that specie.

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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: CLIT]
    #17589564 - 01/22/13 10:24 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)


Edited by husmmoor (01/22/13 10:26 AM)

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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: PaperTiger]
    #17589920 - 01/22/13 11:53 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

well yeah I live in an apartment. I was trying to dump the colonized cakes outdoors on a tree but there's cameras around my building. LOL. It would be awkward if someone sees me picking up mushrooms in an apartment setting. I can't wait to have my own house someday. lol.

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Have you been trying to cultivate the Azures indoors? If so, that may be the problem. Most Azure grows occur outdoors, with few exceptions. The Shroomery website and forums have numerous teks for that specie.



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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: CLIT]
    #17591171 - 01/22/13 03:34 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I feel ya, Clit. :wink:.....I am waiting for a delivery of Azure spores:crazy2:
Hopefully will be flush with spawn by early summer, lay it outside, and hopefully see something by years end. Do you have any other areas, away from the apartment? Spread that goodness, far and wide, my friend!

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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: PaperTiger]
    #17593718 - 01/22/13 10:06 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Ok I made up my mind. I'm going to grow Panaeolus Cyanescen (Hawaii). Will a substrate jar with these ingredients work for Panaeolus Cyanescen:

• Natural Organic Brown Rice Flour
• Vermiculite
• Mineral Water
• Liquid worm castings
• Bee Pollen

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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: PaperTiger]
    #17593751 - 01/22/13 10:09 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

No I live in the city. I'm scared that if I dump Azurescens far away and come back to check things out, another type of mushroom might grow in place of it and I might end up mistaking it for Azures. LOL.

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I feel ya, Clit. :wink:.....I am waiting for a delivery of Azure spores:crazy2:
Hopefully will be flush with spawn by early summer, lay it outside, and hopefully see something by years end. Do you have any other areas, away from the apartment? Spread that goodness, far and wide, my friend!



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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: CLIT]
    #17595164 - 01/23/13 07:10 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Growing paneaolus cyanescens without dung is going to be a waste of time. They grow best on dung or straw. Its proven.
They may not even develop fruits on brf.


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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: Tmethyl]
    #17595197 - 01/23/13 07:28 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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Growing paneaolus cyanescens without dung is going to be a waste of time. They grow best on dung or straw. Its proven.
They may not even develop fruits on brf.




I read its possible to just fruit them on cased grain, but everything i read said you will not see the same results as using manure/straw.


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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: Tmethyl]
    #17596786 - 01/23/13 02:08 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I don't see anyone selling manure or straw substrate inoculation jars. Maybe I haven't looked hard enough. I was going to get the inoculation jars from Midwest Grow Kits but I'd have to look for manure and or straw substrate jars.

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Growing paneaolus cyanescens without dung is going to be a waste of time. They grow best on dung or straw. Its proven.
They may not even develop fruits on brf.



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Re: is cambodginiensis supposed to be easy to cultivate? [Re: CLIT]
    #17596880 - 01/23/13 02:21 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't see anyone selling manure or straw substrate inoculation jars. Maybe I haven't looked hard enough. I was going to get the inoculation jars from Midwest Grow Kits but I'd have to look for manure and or straw substrate jars.





They would not sell substrate in jars, it would most likely be in bags.

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