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OfflineCleverName
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philosophy debate
    #1757353 - 07/28/03 09:55 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

my philosophy class is having a debate on "how does one gain knowledge" my group is pro-empiricism (david hume). the other groups are rationalists (descartes), mystics (abu hamid muhammad al-ghazali), and afrocentric feminist epistemology (dr. patricia hill collins). i have to come up with persuasions for my groups view, and two arguments each against the three views. any suggestions would be great. thanks


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Re: philosophy debate [Re: CleverName]
    #1757408 - 07/28/03 10:15 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

david hume i believed thought knowledge could only believe that knowledge could be gained thru questioning, reason and logic. since experiences could be impaired or we could be tricked? (hallucinating) we could never tell the difference between when we are dreaming or actually awake. this is why we couldn't rely on experience. remember some other reasons too but i can't recall em all. why don't u just google their names that'd work too.


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Re: philosophy debate [Re: CleverName]
    #1757417 - 07/28/03 10:17 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

what a shitty class that would be.. actually no, it might be fun. Sure, you're all sitting around parrotting shit dead people have said, but if you got into it it would be fun. You could all dress up as your different philosophers and have a potluck where you all eat different foods from the time and ethnic background of your philosopher that your philosopher may have actually eaten. You could play philosophy games, like spin the bottle and go bobbing for apples, and I don't know what else, but it could be fun.

The truth is, you should just get naked.


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Re: philosophy debate [Re: Dogomush]
    #1757426 - 07/28/03 10:19 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

well...seeing how so many philosophers are german, that potluck would really suck.



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Re: philosophy debate [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1757507 - 07/28/03 10:40 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I'm trying to think of German foods..

sauer kraut? Is that it?


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Re: philosophy debate [Re: Dogomush]
    #1757523 - 07/28/03 10:44 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

sausages, jewish babies


(joke)


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Re: philosophy debate [Re: socratesmind]
    #1757579 - 07/28/03 11:00 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Hume's analysis of human belief begins with a careful distinction among our mental contents: impressions are the direct, vivid, and forceful products of immediate experience; ideas are merely feeble copies of these original impressions. for example, the background color of the screen at which I am now looking is an impression, while my memory of the color of my mother's hair is merely an idea. Since every idea must be derived from an antecedent impression, Hume supposed, it always makes sense to inquire into the origins of our ideas by asking from which impressions they are derived.



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Re: philosophy debate [Re: CleverName]
    #1757591 - 07/28/03 11:06 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

really, i was hoping for some responses for the arguments against the three other views.


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Re: philosophy debate [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1757606 - 07/28/03 11:10 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

atomikfunksoldier said:
sausages, jewish babies




Actually, man, they couldn't eat jewish babies, because they aren't kosher. hehe

(also a joke)
Peace.


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Re: philosophy debate [Re: Dogomush]
    #1757609 - 07/28/03 11:10 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

you probably really would enjoy the class.  we sometimes do get naked and reinact greek orgies  :grin:


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Re: philosophy debate [Re: CleverName]
    #1757612 - 07/28/03 11:11 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Um, are the jewish babies naked, too? hehe
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Re: philosophy debate [Re: CleverName]
    #1757613 - 07/28/03 11:12 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

A great question/argument for the mystics (abu hamid muhammad al-ghazali's Arch enemy was Averroes) would be the whether Truth could be held in logic-tight compartments.

Ask the mystics whether the laws of logic apply to their tenets. Because if they do then there is but one truth or none at all. This is because the prescriptive truths outlined in the orthopraxy cannot all be true but all can be false.

They exist as contraries.


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Re: philosophy debate [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1757617 - 07/28/03 11:13 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

only on mondays and fridays


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Re: philosophy debate [Re: CleverName]
    #1757626 - 07/28/03 11:16 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Hume was wrong of course, as was Locke behind him. Those are not ideas per se, they are sometimes percepts and concepts, neither of which are ideas.


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Re: philosophy debate [Re: ]
    #1757640 - 07/28/03 11:20 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

whats the difference between concepts and ideas?


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Re: philosophy debate [Re: CleverName]
    #1757659 - 07/28/03 11:27 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

A concept is that by which you think. An idea is that which you think.

Note: These are very precise terms used when you are explaining how the mind thinks.


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Re: philosophy debate [Re: CleverName]
    #1757678 - 07/28/03 11:31 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Further, we are very aware of our ideas, but we are never aware of our concepts or percepts.
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In the instance of seeing an object we apprehend the object using our senses but the tool in our mind, the percept,which we use to understand that which we have seen is never apprehended.


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Re: philosophy debate [Re: CleverName]
    #1757692 - 07/28/03 11:34 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Also, it is this dichotomy that differentiates man from beast.

Beasts have percepts but no concepts. They are conceptually blind.


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