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Tmethyl
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'Bad' trip?
#17568947 - 01/18/13 04:40 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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I hear it called a bad trip so often. Do you think it's 'bad' to have your swollen bejeweled ego obliterated? Sounds bad. But is it?
The ego crushing affect a bad trip can play is much more beneficial than understood. It will help you. It will show you things you've been misunderstanding, it will remind you of your insignificance while at the same time reminding you of your key role you play in this physical life. Ego is the one thing stopping you from spreading your love, it's what stops you from saying to people what you truly feel, it prevents compassion. Your ego is your enemy, and the mushrooms will show you that if you pay attention with an open mind. We are just recently discovering what ancient societies knew for thousands of years.
Mushrooms give us the much needed ego purge or ego cleansing that is all but forgotten by humanity. Next time you find yourself deep into a 'bad' trip, embrace it. Thank it. Appreciate it. Understand it. But most importantly LISTEN to it, it is giving you knowledge, it is showing you how to be a better person, and how to unveil your soul.
Your ego is whats making(and allowing) the trip to be called 'bad', not the mushrooms.
Be good to your soul, allow it to bloom. Open up, friends.
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Re: 'Bad' trip? [Re: Tmethyl]
#17569044 - 01/18/13 04:57 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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That... Or it's the most crippling intense fear I have ever experienced in my life and I have no desire to repeat it.
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Re: 'Bad' trip? [Re: Tmethyl]
#17569080 - 01/18/13 05:07 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes, it's hard though since huge majority never experienced such thing.
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Your crippling intense fear comes from fighting it. You did not embrace it, so it squashed you, as it always does. It was your ego making you fight it.
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DoomSquirrel said: Yes, it's hard though since huge majority never experienced such thing.
It's not simply experienced, it's learned through many bad trips, you start to see a pattern and decipher it. You start to understand what it's trying to tell you. You(people like you) are the reason I posted this, because you do not understand it.
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Re: 'Bad' trip? [Re: Tmethyl]
#17569137 - 01/18/13 05:19 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes there are bad trips.
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Re: 'Bad' trip? [Re: Tmethyl]
#17569170 - 01/18/13 05:25 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well I agree that trips can help you and such. But I had once a trip that I was all alone and everyone and everything else was just an fragment of my imagination. So I was alone in this world and nobody could possibly love me and if they did it was my imagination. Dunno about u, but for me I can't see anything positive about that what so ever.
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spikeycloud said: Dunno about u, but for me I can't see anything positive about that what so ever.
Your hopeless feeling of isolation made you appreciate your current life much more, I can go on and on about the benfits of what you've described. Open your mind next time. Embrace the 'bad' and it will not longer be bad.
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Re: 'Bad' trip? [Re: Tmethyl]
#17569212 - 01/18/13 05:33 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said: Your crippling intense fear comes from fighting it. You did not embrace it, so it squashed you, as it always does. It was your ego making you fight it.
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DoomSquirrel said: Yes, it's hard though since huge majority never experienced such thing.
It's not simply experienced, it's learned through many bad trips, you start to see a pattern and decipher it. You start to understand what it's trying to tell you. You(people like you) are the reason I posted this, because you do not understand it.
I've had couple deaths and I am not finding it frightening, they were always beautiful. But in real world because of ignorance majority will never try to reach this state, much time has to pass for people to change.
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there's a difference between bad trips and difficult trips. what you are describing is what i consider to be a difficult trip. ego death is not a bad trip by any means, it can be difficult for most, but until you experience a legit bad trip, you cannot just dismiss it as being good. the negative outcomes of a bad trip are far worse than any positives. when i had a bad trip, i was depressed for weeks.
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Re: 'Bad' trip? [Re: Tmethyl]
#17569275 - 01/18/13 05:47 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Obviously. But that's what makes a bad trip. At this point I doubt I would ever reach that level again given that I know what to do at this point, but that was my first real acid trip and those doses were potent. There was nothing "enlightening" about it. It didn't make me a better person or show me what's wrong in my life. It just fed off my soul and made me feel schizo and like the universe was going to destroy the very particles that make up my existence. I don't think as many people have experienced a BAD trip. I've had uncomfortable trips where I had to learn to let go but this was something else. I could sit calmly in my chair listening to peaceful music while my very soul was getting raped. I mean, I'm glad it happened. But only because it was an interesting mindset in retrospect. Not because I think it improved me
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I agree completely. Yet this is exactly what I'm afraid of everytime I look at a handful of mushrooms in my hand before I eat them.
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Re: 'Bad' trip? [Re: sailing]
#17569331 - 01/18/13 05:58 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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sailing said: there's a difference between bad trips and difficult trips. what you are describing is what i consider to be a difficult trip. ego death is not a bad trip by any means, it can be difficult for most, but until you experience a legit bad trip, you cannot just dismiss it as being good. the negative outcomes of a bad trip are far worse than any positives. when i had a bad trip, i was depressed for weeks.
You're assuming I've never had a bad trip, and your misinterpreting the message. I've been eating mushrooms for 12 years. Even the worst of trips can be embraced, the moment you start to have fear, there is no stopping it. I have experienced the absolute, of 'bad' trips.
The OP was meant to help, I'm not going to argue. No offense meant, obviously.
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PanGaia said: I agree completely. Yet this is exactly what I'm afraid of everytime I look at a handful of mushrooms in my hand before I eat them.
Being afraid prior to ingestion is bad news, accept what is coming. laugh.
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JacksonMetaller said: that was my first real acid trip and those doses were potent.
The thread is devoted to mushroom trips acid is very different.
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Re: 'Bad' trip? [Re: PanGaia]
#17569359 - 01/18/13 06:02 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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PanGaia said: I agree completely. Yet this is exactly what I'm afraid of everytime I look at a handful of mushrooms in my hand before I eat them.
Don't worry about it. I always psyche myself out to, but I've personally found that as long as I don't do anything stupid like walk into my campus dining hall on a head full of acid or try and smoke DMT in the room next to where my parents are sleeping that it's really difficult to have a "bad" trip. I'll have difficult trips even in good settings, but those are manageable. The really brutal ones I normally have to fuck up set/setting pretty good
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PanGaia said: I agree completely. Yet this is exactly what I'm afraid of everytime I look at a handful of mushrooms in my hand before I eat them.
Don't worry about it. I always psyche myself out to, but I've personally found that as long as I don't do anything stupid like walk into my campus dining hall on a head full of acid or try and smoke DMT in the room next to where my parents are sleeping that it's really difficult to have a "bad" trip. I'll have difficult trips even in good settings, but those are manageable. The really brutal ones I normally have to fuck up set/setting pretty good
That's a good point I didn't even mention, in the wrong setting I can see how a trip can be truly bad and without enlightenment. Setting is a very big dea, obviously.
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I think what makes it a bad trip is when someone starts to realize the intensity of the trip and its scary so it changes your whole mindset into being scared. Then possibly the rest of the trip is just fueled by that sudden change in attitude. Ive heard of people feel better and come out of their bad trips altogether when they get in a more comfortable environment. Just a thought.
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MarsManRising said: I think what makes it a bad trip is when someone starts to realize the intensity of the trip and its scary so it changes your whole mindset
Exactly, this is what I meant when I said:
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The moment you start to have fear, there is no stopping it.
Once you initiate the downward spiral, it's a difficult journey. Best thing to do is go outside or change setting when this happens.
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sailing said: there's a difference between bad trips and difficult trips. what you are describing is what i consider to be a difficult trip. ego death is not a bad trip by any means, it can be difficult for most, but until you experience a legit bad trip, you cannot just dismiss it as being good. the negative outcomes of a bad trip are far worse than any positives. when i had a bad trip, i was depressed for weeks.
You're assuming I've never had a bad trip, and your misinterpreting the message. I've been eating mushrooms for 12 years. Even the worst of trips can be embraced, the moment you start to have fear, there is no stopping it. I have experienced the absolute, of 'bad' trips.
The OP was meant to help, I'm not going to argue. No offense meant, obviously.
I see no offense taken
mushrooms have been shown to relieve depression during the afterglow, and maybe thats why bad mushrooms trips are easier to embrace, my bad trip was on 25i wich is a drug that has no positive afterglow whatsoever and i feel that is the reason it was so difficult to embrace.
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JacksonMetaller said: The really brutal ones I normally have to fuck up set/setting pretty good
exactly
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MarsManRising said: I think what makes it a bad trip is when someone starts to realize the intensity of the trip and its scary so it changes your whole mindset into being scared. Then possibly the rest of the trip is just fueled by that sudden change in attitude. Ive heard of people feel better and come out of their bad trips altogether when they get in a more comfortable environment. Just a thought.
thats what i consider a difficult trip. my idea of a bad trip is when your friends dad walks in the room while you are both tripping and very angrily kicks you out (little did i know that he didnt actually know we were tripping, just made at something else) so you suspect he called the cops and your just sitting in a treehouse for 2 hours just 'knowing' the cops are going to show up any second to arrest you and fuck up every aspect of your entire life.
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Re: 'Bad' trip? [Re: sailing]
#17569454 - 01/18/13 06:15 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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JacksonMetaller said: The really brutal ones I normally have to fuck up set/setting pretty good
exactly
I totally agree here, I've had some rough trips, like being forced to drive while peaking on a huge dose. With 5 other sober people in the car, all freaking out. Long story. Fucking terrible though.
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Re: 'Bad' trip? [Re: Tmethyl]
#17569597 - 01/18/13 06:41 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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A bad trip and an ego loss are not the same thing, I have had an ego loss without a bad trip and a bad trip without an ego loss. And in my opinion, bad trips are more benficial than good ones b/c they teach you more about yourself and force you to acknowledge feelings that you have buried. And on may occasions I've come out of a bad trip with no clue and feeling like shit only to have some other realization about the trip or myself come up long after I'm done tripping. The leason never ends, not after the trip or ever.
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Could you give a bit of advice on how to "give in" or "accept". I find when I start to feel myself having a bad trip, I remind myself I can't fight it and have to give in, but the more I try to give in the more it doesn't work, if that makes any sense.
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Re: 'Bad' trip? [Re: shady11]
#17570102 - 01/18/13 08:30 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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shady11 said: Could you give a bit of advice on how to "give in" or "accept". I find when I start to feel myself having a bad trip, I remind myself I can't fight it and have to give in, but the more I try to give in the more it doesn't work, if that makes any sense.
Understandable, it's not easy for some people, but it's something anyone can learn. You have to do more than just think about accepting it. Think of it as a lesson, let the mushrooms be your teacher, think of them as a teacher and not a drug. Say to yourself "I'm yours, do what you will".
Be an observer, not a victim. Even though it's you being affected, you can view yourself from an observers point of view. View the trip as an observer of a trip, not as you being directly affected. Another thing which has helped me is thinking the phrase, "there is no such thing as negativity tonight".
You have to let go of your ego, and of your mind, let go of everything, and let it take you where it wants to take you. Just observe, accept, and learn.
A trick which I have showed people in the past, and which I have gotten nothing but positive feedback on is this: When you start to feel as though the trip is going downhill (getting negative), start laughing, even though you know it's a completely fake laugh, the absurdity of hearing yourself laugh in attempts to remove negativity of a shroom trip, will often times make you start laughing a sincere laugh. Once you mind switches from negative mode, to laugh mode, that's when the trips get very fun, exciting, and euphoric. You can turn around negativity with many methods, and some of them work, some don't, just find what works for you.
Another good practice will be to slowly ease into higher doses, just start very low (1.5g) and in a week do 2.5g. then 3.5g the next week.
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Re: 'Bad' trip? [Re: Tmethyl]
#17570807 - 01/18/13 11:07 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said:
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shady11 said: Could you give a bit of advice on how to "give in" or "accept". I find when I start to feel myself having a bad trip, I remind myself I can't fight it and have to give in, but the more I try to give in the more it doesn't work, if that makes any sense.
Understandable, it's not easy for some people, but it's something anyone can learn. You have to do more than just think about accepting it. Think of it as a lesson, let the mushrooms be your teacher, think of them as a teacher and not a drug. Say to yourself "I'm yours, do what you will".
Be an observer, not a victim. Even though it's you being affected, you can view yourself from an observers point of view. View the trip as an observer of a trip, not as you being directly affected. Another thing which has helped me is thinking the phrase, "there is no such thing as negativity tonight".
You have to let go of your ego, and of your mind, let go of everything, and let it take you where it wants to take you. Just observe, accept, and learn.
A trick which I have showed people in the past, and which I have gotten nothing but positive feedback on is this: When you start to feel as though the trip is going downhill (getting negative), start laughing, even though you know it's a completely fake laugh, the absurdity of hearing yourself laugh in attempts to remove negativity of a shroom trip, will often times make you start laughing a sincere laugh. Once you mind switches from negative mode, to laugh mode, that's when the trips get very fun, exciting, and euphoric. You can turn around negativity with many methods, and some of them work, some don't, just find what works for you.
Another good practice will be to slowly ease into higher doses, just start very low (1.5g) and in a week do 2.5g. then 3.5g the next week.
Does tolerance vary very differently for some people?
For example, you would consider 1.5g a low dose, but to ease myself back into mushrooms after a bad trip (which is working so far) I've taken a couple doses of half a gram or just under a gram and still found them to be quite powerful. Although tonight I did a dose just under a gram and did not find myself to be uncomfortable at any point so I am looking forward to going higher.
Another thing, is weed likely to make a trip bad/too intense? My first trip I smoked weed and had the horrible trip, although I was probably going to have that trip either way.
A week ago, I was just about finishing a peak from a dose, everything was going fine, then I smoked and all of a sudden bam completely negative vibe, time loops, etc. (Although after talking to a friend and him calming me down, I ended up having the greatest experience of my life.) So I have learned my lesson to stay away from weed while on mushrooms but I'm just curious if this is common.
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Re: 'Bad' trip? [Re: shady11]
#17570850 - 01/18/13 11:17 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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alot of people say half a gram is an uncomfortable dose because its actually too low. it makes you feel strange, but not high enough to be in it. its like your half way tripping, when your mind wants to be either sober or tripping, not halfway between.
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Re: 'Bad' trip? [Re: sailing]
#17570879 - 01/18/13 11:25 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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sailing said: alot of people say half a gram is an uncomfortable dose because its actually too low. it makes you feel strange, but not high enough to be in it. its like your half way tripping, when your mind wants to be either sober or tripping, not halfway between.
Hmm, this actually makes a lot of sense. Cause on the times I have done it I do get that intense body high and euphoric feeling with some changes in thought/way of thinking but no visuals whatsoever or CEV's.
I'm planning on my next dose to be 1-1.5g so hopefully as I slowly move up it remains positive and I begin to learn and enjoy myself even more.
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Re: 'Bad' trip? [Re: shady11]
#17570972 - 01/18/13 11:43 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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after my last bad trip with some RC's, i took about a month off, then just dived back into the deep end and was ok. you just cant let the fear of a bad trip take over. just look at what set off your bad trip and take that factor out of your situation. id say for your next one, youll be good on 1.5
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Re: 'Bad' trip? [Re: Tmethyl]
#17571024 - 01/18/13 11:55 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pretty much any time I touch shrooms it's the most gut-wrenching rollercoaster I could imagine experiencing. I personally really enjoy that aspect of it, once I got past the initial panic the very first time I tripped.
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Re: 'Bad' trip? [Re: shady11]
#17571314 - 01/19/13 01:42 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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In my experience the easiest way to get into a bad trip is trying to exert control over the experience, and the easiest way to get out of one is to give up, let go, and go with the flow. This isn't true for every experience, and it's definitely not true for everyone, but for me this has become vital for me. These are my personal rules for tripping, and others I have shared them with have used them with success. Before anyone says anything, I am by no means claiming that I invented this method or I am somehow presenting something new and revolutionary, these are simply the rules that I follow to try and ensure a good trip. Here they are:
1. Make sure you are free from any commitments or obligations for at least 3-5 hours after you should be finished tripping. It's better to make sure you have enough time to get a good sleep after, but a minimum of 3-5 hours to mellow out is a must.
2. Do not put yourself in a position where you feel you may be caught or suspected of being intoxicated by people you do not want to know. If you are living with your parents and they don't support your psychedelic use then don't dose if they are going to be home at any time while you are tripping. The same goes for spouses, children, etc. Many people say "They will be asleep so I'll be fine." but unless they are medicated like crazy or you live in a giant mansion with them on one side and you on the other, this isn't good enough. You want to be able to laugh, talk, move around, and so on without arousing suspicion. Even if the chances are good that you will not be caught, the thought will still be on your mind the entire time and will at best prevent you from giving yourself fully to the experience and at worst will give you a horrible, paranoid trip.
3. If at all possible, emerge yourself in nature. I have found that forests are your friend and cities are your enemy if you are looking to have a truly beautiful time. Small towns or villages are one thing, but the concrete jungle has always been a no-no for me when under the influence of a psychedelic. If you suddenly feel the urge to sit down on the ground and giggle, you will not be able to do it in the middle of a busy street. Furthermore, I have found psychedelics to be much more compatible with nature in general, the experiences are on a whole other level. The only exception to this rule is raves or festivals, although the vast majority of them do take place out in nature. I have never had a difficult trip in a natural setting, and I have never had a true +4 in the city, although I have had plenty of good experiences there. I find that I can truly let go in a forest or other natural setting that is devoid of sober folk and especially authorities, and that's where I plan to be whenever possible.
4. If you're not mentally prepared, don't trip. If you are excited and a little bit anxious that is fine, but if you have some serious negative emotions surrounding you, they will follow you into the trip. They will not just disappear. If you're determined to trip then maybe you should try mixing your psychedelic with an enactogen like MDMA, but if you are in a seriously bleak place then even that can go bad. I have seen a candyflip go horribly wrong when someone got bad news while peaking, and it was horrible, the worst bad trip I have ever seen. Even without that, a positive mindset is a must, without it you are looking for trouble.
5. Never try to control the experience. Let go. Give yourself to it. You might get bad vibes, but it has always turned out positive for me as long as I can let go and go with the flow.
I just wanted to add this because it really supports the OP. If the circumstances are right even a difficult experience can be made positive if you can just fully give yourself to it. Good advice OP!
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