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nnn-yan
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psilocybe AZURESCENS fruiting outside in Minnesota?
#17556048 - 01/16/13 08:50 AM (11 years, 13 days ago) |
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So I have recently started cultivation of P Azurescens on agar and I happen to be living in Minnesota which it outside of the recommend growing zone for this specis. I have seen some indoor grows but I hear most fail. I do however have a refrigerator that I can dedicate just for this grow that hold at 55 degrees which is perfect temp. My question is how do I wanna fruit? Indoor with ideal temp and light. Or outside in unfit Minnesota conditions? Thanks
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Re: psilocybe AZURESCENS fruiting outside in Minnesota? [Re: nnn-yan]
#17556069 - 01/16/13 08:57 AM (11 years, 13 days ago) |
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Experiment indoors, with the fridge now, and also make an outdoor bed once the ground thaws.
The worst that can happen is they wont fruit indoors : )
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Re: psilocybe AZURESCENS fruiting outside in Minnesota? [Re: mycomattie]
#17556104 - 01/16/13 09:07 AM (11 years, 13 days ago) |
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But Minnesota weather is outside the recommend zone.... How can I grow outside?
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Re: psilocybe AZURESCENS fruiting outside in Minnesota? [Re: nnn-yan]
#17556116 - 01/16/13 09:11 AM (11 years, 13 days ago) |
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Prepare your spawn now and inoculate it. Once spring comes spawn after the last threat of frost,usually April or May in mn. Once fruiting conditions occur during fall after the last flush insulate the bed well. Make sure to collect and isolate for a slant. That way if the myc doesn't survive the winter you can start again. IMO i believe with the right isolate the myc will survive our harsh winter if the bed is insulated properly. Its suppose to be -20f on Mon for a low i wonder if anyone has any beds up here or even in Canda. Lets be pioneers
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Re: psilocybe AZURESCENS fruiting outside in Minnesota? [Re: botanicalbishop]
#17556143 - 01/16/13 09:25 AM (11 years, 13 days ago) |
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-------------------- "Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded." Abraham Lincoln
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Re: psilocybe AZURESCENS fruiting outside in Minnesota? [Re: botanicalbishop]
#17556156 - 01/16/13 09:29 AM (11 years, 13 days ago) |
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I'm dabbling in indoor cultivation myself. Here is a caption from a post I made a few weeks ago...
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I'm in the middle of an <cough>experimental<cough> P. azurescens <attempted> indoor grow.
I know the chances of success are slim to none, and there have been only a few (potentially) successful indoor cultivation accounts floating around out there.
But....
While many feel it might be a total waste of time, money and effort; I for one, do not. Who knows, maybe through one of these experimental grows, someone will find an indoor cultivation technique that is at least semi-consistent? That's what this is about - progression of the indoor cultivation aspect to the hobby, isn't it?
I have pictures of my progress thus far, but have refrained from starting any threads or posting pictures until I have some positive (if any) definitive results - since I'd only get "I told you so" or "can't be done indoors" replies, if all fails.
I know much of what I write below has been accomplished many times; the only difference is - most, if not all; spawn to an outdoor bed.
Anyway,
I inoculated (MS syringe) twelve, .5 pint jars; substrate was brown rice flour and Alder chip sawdust.
It took approximately 7 days to notice any signs of mycelium/spore germination; colonization was slow. The jars were kept at a fairly consistent ambient ~ 68 - 70 temperature; out of the twelve jars, about one quarter were 100% colonized in six weeks; the remaining jars had varying degrees of colonization speed, but generally very slow (compared to P cubensis).
Once fully colonized, I crumbled the cakes, submerged them in tap water and refrigerated for 24 hours. I used Ziploc, medium rectangular containers; lined the containers with black trashbag, cut to size; and a shallow base layer of fine vermiculite, mixed with spent, K-cup coffee grinds, was placed on the bottom of the container.
I then layered the soaked mycelium chunks, as evenly as I could; then spawned to water saturated cardboard on some; and directly to pre-soaked Alder wood chips on others.
The Alder Chip spawned containers colonized very quickly, with much more rhizomorphic mycelia growth visible. I'm assuming the cardboard was much slower to colonize due to it being nutrient void.
Once the cardboard spawned containers were fully colonized; I added a pre-soaked Alder chip layer.
Once colonized/consolidated, I took the entire colonized, rectangular cakes, and soaked them in water and refrigerated over night.
So now comes my (hopefully) secret to fruiting indoors....
I have a room at the back of the house - a storage room of sorts, which isn't really heated (though it can be); it's consistently ~ 45 - 52 degrees this time of year, has several windows and is very naturally well lit. I have the individual Ziploc containers, placed in mono-tubs (golf ball sized holes, poly-fil, etc), and use supplemental 6500K CFL hood, which I've used for planted terrariums in the past; on a 10 on/14 off cycle. I also have an ultrasonic humidifier
That is what I hope can give me almost outdoor temps/conditions to fruit indoors - minus the microbial presence in the soil. Though, I'm experimenting using quality soils, with varying N-P-K ratios, that a plant scientist had given to me to screw around with.
And that's the point I'm at now - I do have what appears to be in vitro pinning in a 75% colonized jar...
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Re: psilocybe AZURESCENS fruiting outside in Minnesota? [Re: mycomattie]
#17556170 - 01/16/13 09:35 AM (11 years, 13 days ago) |
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friendS grows then outside in Wisconsin and another in the mountains of Mexico. Cant see why you couldnt do it there.
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nnn-yan
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Re: psilocybe AZURESCENS fruiting outside in Minnesota? [Re: mycomattie]
#17556180 - 01/16/13 09:39 AM (11 years, 13 days ago) |
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Intresting..... But in Minnesota the summers can get as high as ~105 degrees will azurescens survive Such high temp during coloinzation of the outdoor beds? The summer temp is normally between 70- to upper 80s during the day and 60-70. At night
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Re: psilocybe AZURESCENS fruiting outside in Minnesota? [Re: nnn-yan]
#17556206 - 01/16/13 09:48 AM (11 years, 13 days ago) |
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They will survive the heat. If you keep the substrate hydrated and plant grass seed for shade with the azurs. The myc is usually fully colonized by the time its that hot
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nnn-yan
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Re: psilocybe AZURESCENS fruiting outside in Minnesota? [Re: botanicalbishop]
#17556271 - 01/16/13 10:03 AM (11 years, 13 days ago) |
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Well hey well the azurescens experts are here. Can you tell me how my culture looks? http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17553647
Thanks!
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Re: psilocybe AZURESCENS fruiting outside in Minnesota? [Re: botanicalbishop]
#17556273 - 01/16/13 10:03 AM (11 years, 13 days ago) |
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botanicalbishop said: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/2349272
Has some good info and links
Awesesome! I've been looking for something exactly like that!
OP check out this guys Outdoor azure grow in WI. I think most of the pics are deleted, but according to the thread has had great success.
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Re: psilocybe AZURESCENS fruiting outside in Minnesota? [Re: LustyLocks]
#17556366 - 01/16/13 10:24 AM (11 years, 13 days ago) |
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COOL. oh and another thing, does anyone know any good mushroom cultivation books for P Azurescens? Other than The Mushroom Cultivator by Paul Stamets (1980s) because that book is good just a bit old. And it doesn't have azurescens it has cyanescens cultivation which I know are very similiar
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Re: psilocybe AZURESCENS fruiting outside in Minnesota? [Re: nnn-yan]
#17556403 - 01/16/13 10:33 AM (11 years, 13 days ago) |
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nnn-yan said: Well hey well the azurescens experts are here. Can you tell me how my culture looks? http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17553647
Thanks!
after a few transfers it should get more rhilzomorphic i would think.Quote:
Claybuddy said:
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botanicalbishop said: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/2349272
Has some good info and links
Awesesome! I've been looking for something exactly like that!
OP check out this guys Outdoor azure grow in WI. I think most of the pics are deleted, but according to the thread has had great success. 
yes MR has had them growing for years! they love the cold.Quote:
nnn-yan said: COOL. oh and another thing, does anyone know any good mushroom cultivation books for P Azurescens? Other than The Mushroom Cultivator by Paul Stamets (1980s) because that book is good just a bit old. And it doesn't have azurescens it has cyanescens cultivation which I know are very similiar
cultivation of P auzrescen is exactly the same as P cyanescen .Its also the same s Stropharia rugosoannulata. so anything you read for thats species works for azzies or other aggressive woodloving psilocybes like P allenii or P ovoid.
ive had a bonsai for a few years now and a patch that fruited last year. its a simple species if your doing it outside.
  
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Re: psilocybe AZURESCENS fruiting outside in Minnesota? [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#17556513 - 01/16/13 11:01 AM (11 years, 13 days ago) |
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psylosymonreturns said:
after a few transfers it should get more rhilzomorphic i would think.
I'm gonna post another pic later. But you think it looks good and healthy?
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Re: psilocybe AZURESCENS fruiting outside in Minnesota? [Re: nnn-yan]
#17556537 - 01/16/13 11:05 AM (11 years, 13 days ago) |
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sure looks fine , you just have to transfer one of those leading edges of growth to another plate and see what it looks like then. i got this advice from a serious good grower of woodlovers and he says soak some wood chips you will be using, take a few teaspoons of this wood water and mix it with the water you use when you mix up some agar. seems to work good.
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nnn-yan
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Re: psilocybe AZURESCENS fruiting outside in Minnesota? [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#17557040 - 01/16/13 01:08 PM (11 years, 13 days ago) |
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heres the new better picture.

4 days after transfer
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Re: psilocybe AZURESCENS fruiting outside in Minnesota? [Re: nnn-yan]
#18423881 - 06/15/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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I live in MN as well and my buddy's friend grew an outdoor patch that is supposedly on its 3rd yr now.
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Re: psilocybe AZURESCENS fruiting outside in Minnesota? [Re: nnn-yan]
#19988623 - 05/14/14 06:49 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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where are you in MN? really wanna know if I can find any Psycoactive's in Minnesota.
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Re: psilocybe AZURESCENS fruiting outside in Minnesota? [Re: NaturalNotManMade]
#20241846 - 07/08/14 12:15 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Woodbury area. Will be moving to Fridley soon though.
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