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No guns made this place MUCH safer....
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Link Funny how crime reports in this country show the areas with the most liberal gun laws have the lowest crime rates.
I guess they need more guns.
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1755556 - 07/28/03 08:34 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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i don't even think there are 164 muggings in detroit a day..i could be wrong but that's a lot of muggers.
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: Innvertigo]
#1755561 - 07/28/03 08:38 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Maybe they have only 1 VERY busy mugger!
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1755569 - 07/28/03 08:43 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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opps, i meant muggings..not muggers, but i'm sure the cute bobbies with their wacky clubs and hats will stop them.
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1755610 - 07/28/03 09:19 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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are you allowed to wander around the streets carrying guns over in the US then?
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: GazzBut]
#1755615 - 07/28/03 09:22 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you have a concealed weapons permit, but you can't go into some places like banks, sporting events or anywhere alcohol is served (but it all depends on the permit you get).
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: GazzBut]
#1755637 - 07/28/03 09:35 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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For themost part, yes. 38 states allow concealed carry, 37 of which require a license.
Some states, like Arizona, allow open carry with no license. I don't generally carry one anywhere, but I have plenty of firepower on tap in my home.
About 2 years ago some gangsters kicked in my neighbors door at 3am, and killed the man of the house, beat and raped his wife into a coma, and did it all in front of the kids. Bet he wished for a gun to even those odds a bit.
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: GazzBut]
#1755677 - 07/28/03 09:53 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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I remember seeing Red Ken quoted saying that he feels safer in the streets of New York than London in the past year or two.
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: GazzBut]
#1755787 - 07/28/03 10:44 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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GazzBut said: are you allowed to wander around the streets carrying guns over in the US then?
In Vermont for example, no permit is needed for open or concealed carry. In some states like New Hampshire, no permit is needed unless the weapon is concealed, then with a permit concealed carry is fine. There are very few states in the US where concealed carry is not permitted with the proper paper work.
And even in those, if you are rich enough or famous enough, you'll generally get a permit.
It's well documented where the states that allow concealed carry, have the lower crime rates. Countless interviews with muggers and robbers have shown they fear armed citizens more than law enforcement.
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: GazzBut]
#1755807 - 07/28/03 10:50 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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The main idea behind concealed-carry is that a mugger has no idea who is armed and who isn't. This is enough to dissuade many who would otherwise be tempted to strongarm the obviously weak.
Works with houses, too. The reason for the UK's higher rate of live burglaries (break ins occurring when the residents are home) is that they can reasonably assume that there are no lethal threats in the home. If even one in ten homes had an armed owner, then it would be a much riskier prospect.
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: Innvertigo]
#1755961 - 07/28/03 11:35 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Innvertigo said: i don't even think there are 164 muggings in detroit a day..i could be wrong but that's a lot of muggers.
London has alot more people than detroit and the entire country also has far less murders by fire arms each year. You americans are just to damn afraid of each other, it's sad.
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1755968 - 07/28/03 11:38 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: Link Funny how crime reports in this country show the areas with the most liberal gun laws have the lowest crime rates.
I guess they need more guns.
False cause and effect. How do you know that places with tougher gun laws didn't pass them in reaction to the amount of gun violence in the area?
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1755973 - 07/28/03 11:40 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't see what that report has to do with guns. England is not the US (yet).
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: silversoul7]
#1755994 - 07/28/03 11:46 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't know that. I wouldn't be surprised if some did, such as D.C. Their crime rate soared. They have the strictest gun laws in the nation and far and away the highest murder rate.
What I do know is that in states like Florida (and others), the permit system was a "may" issue. In other words it was up to the discretion of the issuing agency to decide if you were going to get a permit or not. As a result only the connected had permits. Then Florida passed a "must" issue law. If you had no criminal or mental health history, the issuing agency had to give you the permit. The crime rate in Florida took a nose-dive. This has been seen in several states.
Now look at Vermont. The most liberal carry laws, and the lowest murder rate.
If it makes you happy to call that false cause and effect, you go right on doing so.
Thanks, but I'll stick with my guns and the statistics.
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: Edame]
#1756002 - 07/28/03 11:48 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Edame said: I don't see what that report has to do with guns. England is not the US (yet).
Originally? Not a thing. The I guess they need more guns was a light-hearted poke at the anti-gunners.
It just kind of headed off in that direction.
However, it's not hard to find articles showing the gun crime rate in England took a sharp turn upwards since the bans.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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I have no problem giving up my guns as long as everyone else gives up theirs...
maybe we can get superman to gather them all up and throw them into the sun...
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: DoctorJ]
#1756040 - 07/28/03 11:58 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: I have no problem giving up my guns as long as everyone else gives up theirs...
maybe we can get superman to gather them all up and throw them into the sun...
LOL. I guess guns themselves arn't bad, they can be very useful for hunting and such, it's the people and the society that make them bad.
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: barfightlard]
#1756050 - 07/28/03 12:02 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why doesn't everyone just keep some mace under thier pillow? Carry a tazer on the streets... i mean i know you can't hunt with em....and its not very 'bad ass' but can't you feel just as powerfull with one of them suckers?
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: Azmodeus]
#1756074 - 07/28/03 12:10 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mace is good for what it is. It is no substitute for a firearm. That's why police carry both, because each is appropriate in certain situations.
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: Azmodeus]
#1756081 - 07/28/03 12:12 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Most don't carry guns to "feel" powerful.
Just as most don't make false trade rates.
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... *DELETED* [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: Steevil]
#1756116 - 07/28/03 12:26 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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is that avatar a picture of you posing like Che Geuverra? I'm just curious.
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: Steevil]
#1756127 - 07/28/03 12:30 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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but I'm fairly sure it'll be a sharp upturn from <10 shooting a year to <20, or something like that, still far better than in the US.
That's pretty accurate on both points.
However, there is ample evidence to show that other crimes countrywide, such as "hot" burglaries, took a sharp upturn.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: Steevil]
#1756176 - 07/28/03 12:47 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Steevil said: Perhaps if more people did carry guns it would be a deterent to muggings and such,
The police should handle it, otherwise heaven forbid someone gets road rage, or angry cus somebody is a fuck.
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: Azmodeus]
#1756190 - 07/28/03 12:51 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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You are on a drug site and you want to hand the police a monopoly on force?
I'm glad you trust the government so much. I guess all your criticisms so far have just been facetious.
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: Steevil]
#1756192 - 07/28/03 12:51 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Steevil said: Perhaps if more people did carry guns it would be a deterent to muggings and such, but now that they are illegal I don't think it would be very productive to legalise them. I also think it's preferable for crime to be tackled in other ways than for everyone to have to have lethal force to defend themselves.
Or if we do what Chris Rock said, something along the lines of why not make every bullet cost $5,000, that way no more innocent people would be getting shot, the people getting shot would probably deserve it.
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: Azmodeus]
#1756193 - 07/28/03 12:52 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Generally the people that shoot others for stupid reasons like road rage are carrying the weapon illegally. Licensed owners rarely commit gun crimes.
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: barfightlard]
#1756204 - 07/28/03 12:54 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Chris Rock also says he keeps 3 guns in his house.
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1756229 - 07/28/03 01:06 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have a police force,an army,a bodyguard all rolled up into one easy to carry package of .480 caliber and another which is artillery,antipersonel and antivehicle in a simple to use package of 45-70 caliber.The crime rate on our road where I am the "lightweight" is ZERO.In spite of the fact that we have cranksters all over in the hills,even in the depths of a Meth psychosis they know better than doing a damn thing unless extreme ventilation is what they seek. I can guarantee that there will be NO crime occur if I am packing.I will never rely on ANY agency to provide for my protection from crime.And woe to anyone who would attempt to take my means of independent crime prevention away. The document which legitimizes my american citizenship has specific things to say about a citizens responsibilities and firearms are mentioned specificaly regarding our responsibility to "crime"(governmental).And I have my own sense of responsibility for my own destiny that precludes being victimized by a predatory monkey man,just another dead pest no different than plugging a raccoon raiding my chickens or blasting a cougar hunting my property. WR
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: wingnutx]
#1756275 - 07/28/03 01:22 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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wingnutx said: You are on a drug site and you want to hand the police a monopoly on force?
I'm glad you trust the government so much. I guess all your criticisms so far have just been facetious.
Im sorry but should not the police handle bugleries? Otherwise why don't we all not pay taxs, buy a gun, and live in anarchy?
I never said they did a good job...
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: shakta]
#1756281 - 07/28/03 01:24 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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shakta said: Generally the people that shoot others for stupid reasons like road rage are carrying the weapon illegally. Licensed owners rarely commit gun crimes.
Oh...well in that case i feel much better...
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: Azmodeus]
#1756298 - 07/28/03 01:28 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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The point is banning guns does nothing but take them out of the hands of law abiding citizens. The criminals get their guns illegaly to begin with.
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: shakta]
#1756489 - 07/28/03 02:21 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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True. But in a country like canada, there are less guns in general, and therefore less gun carrying criminals. Its hard to say which is best....i mean i'd want a gun if i lived in america, but i don't feel the need to own one here...and isn't that what we'd all like?
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: Azmodeus]
#1756499 - 07/28/03 02:26 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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"The criminals get their guns illegaly to begin with."
word. if I wanted to go rob a bank, I would go around the corner and get a ghetto gun with the serial # scratched off.
Why would anybody use a gun for a crime if it was registered in their name? I'm not afraid of a criminal thats that stupid.
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1756505 - 07/28/03 02:27 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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...the average American is seven times more likely to be murdered than their British counterpart and 60 times more likely to be shot."
The murder rate in London is 2.9 per 100,000 compared with 8.6 per 100,000 in New York and 49.15 per 100,000 in Washington DC.
A report produced by the US Department of Justice in 1998 would appear to support the Home Office's claims.
It shows the murder rate was 5.7 times higher in the US than England and Wales and the rape rate was about three times higher. The report also showed firearms were used in 68% of murders in the US compared with 7% in England and Wales, and in 41% of robberies in America against 5% in England and Wales.
From here.
A British survey conducted by the UK Home Office of 20 European and nine North American cities put Washington way out in front of a "city murder league table" with a murder rate of 69.3 per 100,000 population. (BBC, www.bbc.co.uk, 19 August 1998, "The United States of Murder").
This means that Washington DC is about 170 times more dangerous than the Belgian capital, Brussels, which came bottom with 0.4 murders per 100,000. (ibid). Washington DC was a long way ahead of the second most murderous city, Philadelphia, which had a rate of 27.4. The nine American cities in the survey all came in the top 12 of the poll. San Diego had the lowest rate with 8 homicides per 100,000.
From here.
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: bivalve]
#1756522 - 07/28/03 02:35 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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That is all well and good for England man. People in America are not going to let the government take away their guns, because most view it as a right. That being said, the two high murder rates you posted are in two of the cities that have the most gun restrictions in the country DC and New York.
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: shakta]
#1756557 - 07/28/03 02:45 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Of course they can't take them away if everyone has them, because as someone already said that would make all teh guns out there unacounted for. Im not sure what you guys should do, but the thought of some of MY neigboors owning a firearm would be enough for me not to sleep at night.
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: bivalve]
#1756581 - 07/28/03 02:58 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cool! There have been 1 crime committed against me in 30+ yrs.I have never had to fire a weapon to defuse a situation.The only time I have ever been a victim of crime I was NOT in possesion of a firearm. I am NOT a sport hunter.I do kill my meat.I do not seek trouble.My work often sends me into dangerous areas(I design security systems).I have pulled my weapon 8 times in 25 yrs and have never discharged it.All 8 times I pulled my weapon I have stopped a much more serious crime(murder 2X,assault 4X,roberry 2x)which would have occured if I went to call a cop. I am a citizen of the Constitutional Republic of America and I live my life accordingly. The previous statistics to me are a good indication of what occurs when a pouplation of men turn over the task of their security to others and refuse to be reponsible for their own safety and existance.If more people realized that we do live in a jungle and acted like they had to protect their own ass from the Lions and Hyenas, for one thing perhaps we would be more polite(you are more respectful to someone packing a gun for some reason). One more thing.Not a fucking word from the English on this one baby! we are here cause you all didn't want us.We are your "prison colony" and the dump for all your religious fanatics.We took in all the folks your empire ran out of dodge.And now the English think they can tell us fucking rejects we are Oh SO Bad!with our guns and our murder.FEH! We built our country by blowing away anything that got in our way.WE are the genie out of the bottle.And now the world gets to deal with us on our terms because of all our guns.Makes ya all warm and fuzzy inside eh?
Let me qualify all above statements with one disclaimer: If I lived in even just a better world I would gladly toss my weapons away and not miss them ever.But THIS is the world in which I have been born and I will not walk among the lions with my claws and teeth pulled.I hope some of the sarcasm of the post made it through along with my belief in personal protection. WR
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: whiterasta]
#1756594 - 07/28/03 03:01 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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LFMAO!
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: whiterasta]
#1756606 - 07/28/03 03:07 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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whiterasta said: We built our country by blowing away anything that got in our way.WE are the genie out of the bottle.And now the world gets to deal with us on our terms because of all our guns.Makes ya all warm and fuzzy inside eh?
Gee.....all i can say to this is.... Americans! ....
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: whiterasta]
#1756613 - 07/28/03 03:10 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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If I lived in even just a better world I would gladly toss my weapons away and not miss them ever.But THIS is the world in which I have been born and I will not walk among the lions with my claws and teeth pulled.
Good way of putting it.
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: wingnutx]
#1756618 - 07/28/03 03:13 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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edit- in responce to wr Quote:
If I lived in even just a better world I would gladly toss my weapons away and not miss them ever.
but... Quote:
We built our country by blowing away anything that got in our way.WE are the genie out of the bottle.And now the world gets to deal with us on our terms because of all our guns
So you'd toss your guns away if you weren't so busy making it such a shithole that could never happen, i see... How incredibly stupid.
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Edited by Azmodeus (07/28/03 03:14 PM)
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: whiterasta]
#1756656 - 07/28/03 03:27 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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A wonderful post.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1756673 - 07/28/03 03:33 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Whats wonderful about it to you?
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: whiterasta]
#1756734 - 07/28/03 03:54 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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I guess your anger let you miss this
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One more thing.Not a fucking word from the English on this one baby! we are here cause you all didn't want us.We are your "prison colony" and the dump for all your religious fanatics.We took in all the folks your empire ran out of dodge.And now the English think they can tell us fucking rejects we are Oh SO Bad!with our guns and our murder.FEH! We built our country by blowing away anything that got in our way.WE are the genie out of the bottle.And now the world gets to deal with us on our terms because of all our guns.Makes ya all warm and fuzzy inside eh?
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I hope some of the sarcasm of the post made it through along with my belief in personal protection
Clearer? BTW Quote:
We built our country by blowing away anything that got in our way.WE are the genie out of the bottle.And now the world gets to deal with us on our terms because of all our guns
Truth hurts but I have to deal with it just like everyone else on Earth cause if I get in the sights I am as dead as the Hussien boyz.Doesn't matter I was born here or that most of my upline male relatives are dead from supporting the policies of America.If I piss 'em off they'll blast me into the next plane.Our forefathers predicted this time, THAT is why they insured we'd be armed,What other population has a snowballs chance in hell against america?America that's who.Why is that? because we are armed to the teeth,not because we can argue bullets from their trajectories. WR
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: DoctorJ]
#1756802 - 07/28/03 04:18 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: "The criminals get their guns illegaly to begin with."
word. if I wanted to go rob a bank, I would go around the corner and get a ghetto gun with the serial # scratched off.
Why would anybody use a gun for a crime if it was registered in their name? I'm not afraid of a criminal thats that stupid.
You're just talking about premeditated crime here. What if you got in a fierce argument with a gun-owner who had a short temper, and in their rage, they shot you?
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: silversoul7]
#1756806 - 07/28/03 04:21 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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And what if they stabbed you or ran you over with their car? Would you feel any better that it wasn't a gun that was used to kill you?
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1756816 - 07/28/03 04:24 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Actually, it's interesting that you bring this up. For some reason, in cases where people get killed in an argument, guns are used far more often than knives. I find this interesting because just about everybody has sharp knives in the kitchen, yet not nearly as many people own guns.
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: silversoul7]
#1756821 - 07/28/03 04:27 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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So lets assume guns are banned and all the good little citizens, criminals included, turn in their guns.
Do you actually think people will stop killing other people?
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1756827 - 07/28/03 04:29 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not at all, nor would I like to have all guns banned.
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: silversoul7]
#1756835 - 07/28/03 04:31 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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No, you didn't. Nor did I intend to imply you did. The way you phrased your post just made me curious.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: silversoul7]
#1756844 - 07/28/03 04:34 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am far more dangerous w/o my gun.Knowing that life and death is in my hand is an excellent restraint I do not possess when reliant upon only my fists and feet.As I have mentioned I have pulled my weapon but have never used it.I have been involved in 4 different instances in which I hospitalized people who attacked me while unarmed.In each of those instances death was far closer to these people than if I had simply performed a citizens arrest using my gun. I guess if one has never had to protect their life then they are clueless as to what that really means to whoever is trying to take it.For myself it means they have forfited all compassion from me and will recieve the most primal animal response I can muster. This is what marks the difference between someone who will be herded into a rail car to be executed and someone who makes them hunt him down and takes as many with him as he can. I make NO apologies for who and what I am,If trouble comes I am the man most of you whiners would expect to save your ass,and you know what? I would. WR
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: whiterasta]
#1756846 - 07/28/03 04:36 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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I guess if one has never had to protect their life then they are clueless as to what that really means to whoever is trying to take it.For myself it means they have forfited all compassion from me and will recieve the most primal animal response I can muster.
Nicely said.
As you can tell by my sig, I agree.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1756865 - 07/28/03 04:42 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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WANGO TANGO!!!!!!
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monoamine
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: whiterasta]
#1756872 - 07/28/03 04:46 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wang Dang Poontang (I think that's an actual song of his).
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: barfightlard]
#1757130 - 07/28/03 06:37 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Or if we do what Chris Rock said, something along the lines of why not make every bullet cost $5,000, that way no more innocent people would be getting shot, the people getting shot would probably deserve it.
So you advocate only the rich be able to protect themselves?
Or in other words, let's leave the poor at the mercy of those who would harm them?
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: Steevil]
#1757306 - 07/28/03 07:38 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Steevil said: if everyone was middle class and well educated I don't think there would be as many burglaries.
no shit? Damn, Im glad somone told me that or I would have never been able to figure it out...
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: whiterasta]
#1757436 - 07/28/03 08:22 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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whiterasta said: I am far more dangerous w/o my gun.Knowing that life and death is in my hand is an excellent restraint I do not possess when reliant upon only my fists and feet.As I have mentioned I have pulled my weapon but have never used it.I have been involved in 4 different instances in which I hospitalized people who attacked me while unarmed.In each of those instances death was far closer to these people than if I had simply performed a citizens arrest using my gun. I guess if one has never had to protect their life then they are clueless as to what that really means to whoever is trying to take it.For myself it means they have forfited all compassion from me and will recieve the most primal animal response I can muster. This is what marks the difference between someone who will be herded into a rail car to be executed and someone who makes them hunt him down and takes as many with him as he can. I make NO apologies for who and what I am,If trouble comes I am the man most of you whiners would expect to save your ass,and you know what? I would. WR
Shit man, you and I are far more alike than I would have imagined.
Must be that Native blood!
Wahoo!
Me scalp'em white man... sell pelts for beaver. Native beaver, that is. (wink)
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: ]
#1757520 - 07/28/03 08:43 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sheesh look around MM.Why do they sell so much rogaine? The freaking whiteman is scalping himself If your scalping whitemen the choices are thin pelts from the adults and matted bug infested sheep tags on the young ones.LOL Youl'd for sure get the daughter with the wart if you showed with a whiteman pelt at my camp LOL.No bro the days of good white scalps went out with the pretty rock star hairdo's from the seventies . WR
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: whiterasta]
#1757535 - 07/28/03 08:46 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just laughed so hard my sides hurt!
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1760022 - 07/29/03 03:35 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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the people DO need more guns - they need more guns to protect themselves from the psychotic lunatics who have taken charge of this country, but the psychotic lunatics have caught onto this and will soon ban any really useful guns completely.
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: shakta]
#1760611 - 07/29/03 06:34 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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We where giving the right to own guns in america when our founding farthers wrote our constition, so we could not only protect our selves from criminals, but as well as the government if it ever lost its founding, and in my opion it has and thats why they are trying to take our guns.
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: Protester]
#1760797 - 07/29/03 07:31 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Protester writes:
We where giving the right to own guns in america when our founding farthers wrote our constition...
Not quite true.
What made the accomplishment of the Founding Fathers so unique is that they didn't give anyone any rights at all. Instead, they were the first to organize a system of government that recognized the fact that individuals by their nature possess certain rights -- among them the right to self-defense.
The Constitution is not about giving rights to individuals, but about restricting what actions the State (government) may perform.
... so we could not only protect our selves from criminals, but as well as the government if it ever lost its founding...
One hundred per cent correct.
... and in my opion it has and thats why they are trying to take our guns.
Definitely a defensible opinion, but it may also be that since politicians need to be re-elected they are usually keenly sensitive to vocal pressure groups. It seems a large number of US politicians last caught a glimpse of the Constitution when they whiped their shoes on it on the way to their new office.
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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: Azmodeus]
#1760884 - 07/29/03 07:55 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Azmodeus said: Of course they can't take them away if everyone has them, because as someone already said that would make all teh guns out there unacounted for. Im not sure what you guys should do, but the thought of some of MY neigboors owning a firearm would be enough for me not to sleep at night.
All humans are accountable.
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