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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... *DELETED* [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1756113 - 07/28/03 12:25 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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Reason for deletion: I had embarrassing opinions in the noughties



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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: Steevil]
    #1756116 - 07/28/03 12:26 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

is that avatar a picture of you posing like Che Geuverra? I'm just curious.


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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: Steevil]
    #1756127 - 07/28/03 12:30 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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but I'm fairly sure it'll be a sharp upturn from <10 shooting a year to <20, or something like that, still far better than in the US.




That's pretty accurate on both points.

However, there is ample evidence to show that other crimes countrywide, such as "hot" burglaries, took a sharp upturn.


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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... *DELETED* [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1756168 - 07/28/03 12:44 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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Reason for deletion: I had embarrassing opinions in the noughties



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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: Steevil]
    #1756176 - 07/28/03 12:47 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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Steevil said:
Perhaps if more people did carry guns it would be a deterent to muggings and such,




The police should handle it, otherwise heaven forbid someone gets road rage, or angry cus somebody is a fuck.


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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1756190 - 07/28/03 12:51 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

You are on a drug site and you want to hand the police a monopoly on force?

I'm glad you trust the government so much. I guess all your criticisms so far have just been facetious.


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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: Steevil]
    #1756192 - 07/28/03 12:51 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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Steevil said:
Perhaps if more people did carry guns it would be a deterent to muggings and such, but now that they are illegal I don't think it would be very productive to legalise them. I also think it's preferable for crime to be tackled in other ways than for everyone to have to have lethal force to defend themselves.




Or if we do what Chris Rock said, something along the lines of why not make every bullet cost $5,000, that way no more innocent people would be getting shot, the people getting shot would probably deserve it.


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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1756193 - 07/28/03 12:52 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Generally the people that shoot others for stupid reasons like road rage are carrying the weapon illegally. Licensed owners rarely commit gun crimes.


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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: barfightlard]
    #1756204 - 07/28/03 12:54 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Chris Rock also says he keeps 3 guns in his house.


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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1756229 - 07/28/03 01:06 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I have a police force,an army,a bodyguard all rolled up into one easy to carry package of .480 caliber and another which is artillery,antipersonel and antivehicle in a simple to use package of 45-70 caliber.The crime rate on our road where I am the "lightweight" is ZERO.In spite of the fact that we have cranksters all over in the hills,even in the depths of a Meth psychosis they know better than doing a damn thing unless extreme ventilation is what they seek.
I can guarantee that there will be NO crime occur if I am packing.I will never rely on ANY agency to provide for my protection from crime.And woe to anyone who would attempt to take my means of independent crime prevention away.
The document which legitimizes my american citizenship has specific things to say about a citizens responsibilities and firearms are mentioned specificaly regarding our responsibility to "crime"(governmental).And I have my own sense of responsibility for my own destiny that precludes being victimized by a predatory monkey man,just another dead pest no different than plugging a raccoon raiding my chickens or blasting a cougar hunting my property.
WR:rasta: 


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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: wingnutx]
    #1756275 - 07/28/03 01:22 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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wingnutx said:
You are on a drug site and you want to hand the police a monopoly on force?

I'm glad you trust the government so much. I guess all your criticisms so far have just been facetious.




Im sorry but should not the police handle bugleries? Otherwise why don't we all not pay taxs, buy a gun, and live in anarchy?

I never said they did a good job...


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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: shakta]
    #1756281 - 07/28/03 01:24 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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shakta said:
Generally the people that shoot others for stupid reasons like road rage are carrying the weapon illegally. Licensed owners rarely commit gun crimes. 




Oh...well in that case i feel much better... :tongue:


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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1756298 - 07/28/03 01:28 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

The point is banning guns does nothing but take them out of the hands of law abiding citizens. The criminals get their guns illegaly to begin with.


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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: shakta]
    #1756489 - 07/28/03 02:21 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

True.
But in a country like canada, there are less guns in general, and therefore less gun carrying criminals. Its hard to say which is best....i mean i'd want a gun if i lived in america, but i don't feel the need to own one here...and isn't that what we'd all like?


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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1756499 - 07/28/03 02:26 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

"The criminals get their guns illegaly to begin with."

word. if I wanted to go rob a bank, I would go around the corner and get a ghetto gun with the serial # scratched off.

Why would anybody use a gun for a crime if it was registered in their name? I'm not afraid of a criminal thats that stupid.


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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1756505 - 07/28/03 02:27 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

...the average American is seven times more likely to be murdered than their British counterpart and 60 times more likely to be shot."

The murder rate in London is 2.9 per 100,000 compared with 8.6 per 100,000 in New York and 49.15 per 100,000 in Washington DC.

A report produced by the US Department of Justice in 1998 would appear to support the Home Office's claims.

It shows the murder rate was 5.7 times higher in the US than England and Wales and the rape rate was about three times higher.

The report also showed firearms were used in 68% of murders in the US compared with 7% in England and Wales, and in 41% of robberies in America against 5% in England and Wales.


From here.

A British survey conducted by the UK Home Office of 20 European and nine North American cities put Washington way out in front of a "city murder league table" with a murder rate of 69.3 per 100,000 population. (BBC, www.bbc.co.uk, 19 August 1998, "The United States of Murder").

This means that Washington DC is about 170 times more dangerous than the Belgian capital, Brussels, which came bottom with 0.4 murders per 100,000. (ibid). Washington DC was a long way ahead of the second most murderous city, Philadelphia, which had a rate of 27.4. The nine American cities in the survey all came in the top 12 of the poll. San Diego had the lowest rate with 8 homicides per 100,000.


From here.



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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: bivalve]
    #1756522 - 07/28/03 02:35 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

That is all well and good for England man. People in America are not going to let the government take away their guns, because most view it as a right. That being said, the two high murder rates you posted are in two of the cities that have the most gun restrictions in the country DC and New York.


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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: shakta]
    #1756557 - 07/28/03 02:45 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Of course they can't take them away if everyone has them, because as someone already said that would make all teh guns out there unacounted for. Im not sure what you guys should do, but the thought of some of MY neigboors owning a firearm would be enough for me not to sleep at night.


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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: bivalve]
    #1756581 - 07/28/03 02:58 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Cool! There have been 1 crime committed against me in 30+ yrs.I have never had to fire a weapon to defuse a situation.The only time I have ever been a victim of crime I was NOT in possesion of a firearm.
I am NOT a sport hunter.I do kill my meat.I do not seek trouble.My work often sends me into dangerous areas(I design security systems).I have pulled my weapon 8 times in 25 yrs and have never discharged it.All 8 times I pulled my weapon I have stopped a much more serious crime(murder 2X,assault 4X,roberry 2x)which would have occured if I went to call a cop.
I am a citizen of the Constitutional Republic of America and I live my life accordingly.
The previous statistics to me are a good indication of what occurs when a pouplation of men turn over the task of their security to others and refuse to be reponsible for their own safety and existance.If more people realized that we do live in a jungle and acted like they had to protect their own ass from the Lions and Hyenas, for one thing perhaps we would be more polite(you are more respectful to someone packing a gun for some reason).
One more thing.Not a fucking word from the English on this one baby! we are here cause you all didn't want us.We are your "prison colony" and the dump for all your religious fanatics.We took in all the folks your empire ran out of dodge.And now the English think they can tell us fucking rejects we are Oh SO Bad!with our guns and our murder.FEH!
We built our country by blowing away anything that got in our way.WE are the genie out of the bottle.And now the world gets to deal with us on our terms because of all our guns.Makes ya all warm and fuzzy inside eh?

Let me qualify all above statements with one disclaimer:
If I lived in even just a better world I would gladly toss my weapons away and not miss them ever.But THIS is the world in which I have been born and I will not walk among the lions with my claws and teeth pulled.I hope some of the sarcasm of the post made it through along with my belief in personal protection.
WR:rasta:


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Re: No guns made this place MUCH safer.... [Re: whiterasta]
    #1756594 - 07/28/03 03:01 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

LFMAO!


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