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durian_2008
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks *DELETED* [Re: psi]
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: durian_2008]
#17289122 - 11/27/12 07:41 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Verrrrrrry interested in this
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: ken1993]
#17289421 - 11/27/12 09:11 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't understand anything that is said here but i really love these cacti and i'm really intrested in the outcome of these threat and i'm really intrested in experimenting with this.
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: plant-paradise]
#17534615 - 01/11/13 07:51 PM (11 years, 18 days ago) |
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman]
#17535797 - 01/12/13 01:03 AM (11 years, 18 days ago) |
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Im nearly crying here! I had a ariocarpus on a pere and it looked like the pere was the sicon after a month.... so me thinking it was just some retarded growth and it didn't work i chucked it in the pile of failed stocks and it dried and withered away Im 100% now after seeing this thread it was one of these FUCKING abnormalities The more you know!
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: Juke Adro]
#17536174 - 01/12/13 03:56 AM (11 years, 18 days ago) |
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Cereus sp stock, pachanoi pup test. 
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: Juke Adro]
#17552240 - 01/15/13 01:43 PM (11 years, 15 days ago) |
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Modern Shaman - those grafts way up there of different things on the opuntia, those looked awesome. I used to work breeding euphorbia (focused on poinsettia and non-succulent types) but we used stock plants infected with a phytoplasma in order to graft new seedlings and transfer branching characteristics to the seedlings. This looks like it might be something similar and not actually a graft chimera.
do you know if it is transmitted by infection?
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: caricapapaya]
#17552941 - 01/15/13 04:14 PM (11 years, 15 days ago) |
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Post deleted by karode13<p>Reason for deletion: Removed spam
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: Nutmeg Kratom]
#17555071 - 01/15/13 11:44 PM (11 years, 14 days ago) |
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What has your post got to do with anything in this thread?
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: Juke Adro]
#17557395 - 01/16/13 02:41 PM (11 years, 14 days ago) |
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apparently nothing. sorry.
apparently I was being too sensistive
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: caricapapaya]
#17557486 - 01/16/13 02:57 PM (11 years, 14 days ago) |
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Juke Adro was talking to the user below you, '.', he or she was obviously spamming something random.
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: caricapapaya]
#17557500 - 01/16/13 03:01 PM (11 years, 14 days ago) |
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He wasn't talking about your post.
As you have suspected those grafted onto the opuntia subulata monstrose have been infected by a Mycoplasma-like organism that is transmited to only cacti in the Opuntioideae subfamily.
I have not been able to experiment more with this however I hope to soon. The lopho I grafted onto the Opuntia monstrose has burned due to weak connection and strong sun.
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: Juke Adro]
#17561552 - 01/17/13 09:33 AM (11 years, 13 days ago) |
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modern.shaman said: I have found some interesting 'new' chimeras that includes the Pachanoi.
Here is a Cinthia-Pachanoi
Here is a Asrtophytum superkabuto + Trichocereus pachanoi
That site also have amazing images on other cacti including monstose and crested.
Here is a reference to a E. pachanoi / Ariocarpus chimera however it doesn't have any images or much proof.
Has anyone grafted a cactus with vascular rings completely matched so they are not off centered?
Nice links, very interesting material. I have not successfully created any chimera cacti, but I can share this interesting mutant tid-bit...
I purchased a variegated T-Peruvianus a couple of years ago, it had a two inch long segment straight down one rib that was variegated but the scion had reverted to normal growth. Now, variegation if I remember right is a type of chimeral tissue in itself (two types of tissue present on the same plant, from the same species, but two types of tissue regardless). My idea was to use BAP to force the plant to branch from one of the variegated areoli so I applied a healthy amount right on the variegation with the hopes that the albino tissue would carry out onto the branch.
It worked, the bud grew for three weeks and was 100% albino T. peruvianus. Sadly, i got the dreaded BAP black-rot (happens sometimes) and the plant swelled like a tumor and popped, leaving a massive black crater down the center of the plant.
The experiment was a success and I bet anything it can be replicated. The black rot that happens with BAP seems to be a chance occurrence, sadly I only had the one Trichocereus with variegation to test it on.
So bear in mind if ever you have a rare plant with a streak of variegation but would like to attempt to pull that variegation out, you can roll the dice with BAP and it may work out for you.
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Juke Adro said: Cereus sp stock, pachanoi pup test. 

Please update this come the time, even if there is nothing to it the experiment doesent hurt. Even the authorities on mutant cacti dont seem to know what is going on in most cases to cause mutant growth forms or why it happens.
I need to re-read Teratopia so I can contribute more info to this thread. And sorry to say I dont have a scanner so I cant upload any of it.
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: Methadone]
#17562414 - 01/17/13 01:16 PM (11 years, 13 days ago) |
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i worked out my self that variegated areoles produce variegated plants. that's where it starts we can exploit this by imo removing areole and replacing with another species and add a bit of bap as the glue and by rights if done correctly it may pup variegated. or something like that.
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: Juke Adro]
#17562773 - 01/17/13 02:16 PM (11 years, 13 days ago) |
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Juke Adro said: i worked out my self that variegated areoles produce variegated plants. that's where it starts we can exploit this by imo removing areole and replacing with another species and add a bit of bap as the glue and by rights if done correctly it may pup variegated. or something like that.
THIS IS AN AMAZING CONCEPT... Someone should DEFINITELY test this.
Perhaps a better way to produce the results I believe your looking for is performing an areola graft with the variegated areolas onto a pereskiopsis or perhaps a simple trichocereus(not sure if pereski causes it to revert due to rapid growth) than once the areola pups and is a decent size variegated cactus, graft onto that.
I feel areola grafts are underused especially when we want to propagate special cacti. The draw back is the 'difficulty' but like with other things I just think its a lack of practice.
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Not sure how variegated cacti pass on that trait however I am aware that sometimes its regressed and only the following pup will be variegated. With this can you keep 'bap'ing the areolas until you get a pure albino pup? Like after 5 "generations" of pups? Not sure if I'm explaining my idea well enough.
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: Juke Adro]
#17562874 - 01/17/13 02:37 PM (11 years, 13 days ago) |
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Juke Adro said: i worked out my self that variegated areoles produce variegated plants. that's where it starts we can exploit this by imo removing areole and replacing with another species and add a bit of bap as the glue and by rights if done correctly it may pup variegated. or something like that.
I want to experiment with this got some cereus monstrous variegated and some penis plant now al I need to know what BAP is
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: plant-paradise]
#17562925 - 01/17/13 02:48 PM (11 years, 13 days ago) |
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Bap is 6-Benzylaminopurine.
modern, you could do many trials all different ways. I've already started some minor tests but need to spend alot more time on it and do about 20 or so grafts 4 sets of different ways with 5 grafts in each trial to give more chances to produce what we want. i don't have this much time at the moment but will be doing it over the next year or 2 slowly.
i urge others to give it a shot.
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: Juke Adro]
#17564391 - 01/17/13 07:56 PM (11 years, 12 days ago) |
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THIS IS AN AMAZING CONCEPT... Someone should DEFINITELY test this.
No testing required, thats exactly what I did, but I applied the BAP without removing the areole. It works, the only backfire was that black rot set in after the branch had grown for a few weeks. It happens sometimes with BAP.
Apply BAP to a variegated areole and you will get a variegated plant. It is useful because plants commonly revert to normal growth after exhibiting variegation, so you can 'coax' the trait out of a plant and then graft the branch.
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: Methadone]
#17564473 - 01/17/13 08:12 PM (11 years, 12 days ago) |
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So grafting a seedling onto the variegated areola would pass the variegated trait to the seedling?
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Re: Creating a Cactus Chimera's- A Reason For Experimenting With Different Stocks [Re: modern.shaman]
#17565266 - 01/17/13 11:01 PM (11 years, 12 days ago) |
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The mutation wouldn't be passed on to the scion as the variegation in cacti isn't caused by a virus but by unstable genes. If it were a virus then yes, this may be a possibility. Like tulips for example.
Grafting a variegated areole on to pereskiopsis would be an alternate way of producing new plants if one weren't so keen on using BAP.
I have Teratopia and a scanner but posting copyrighted work is kind of a no no. I am willing to post certain bits if people know what they're after.
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