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Rape me my friend....
    #1755162 - 07/28/03 06:18 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

We've all heard aboot the Kobe Bryant rape thing filling the airwaves, but i've got a question. Do you think it's fair that he can be accused publically with absolutly no proof (yet) and the accuser can have her identity didden? I guess what i'm saying is that I am of the belief that these types of trials should be closed to the public until the verdict is in because if Kobe is innocent, his reputation will be tarnished.

I don't care for basketball at all but it seems everyone who talks aboot it at work etc. have already made him guilty (and who knows).


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Re: Rape me my friend.... [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1755196 - 07/28/03 06:38 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, it would be nice if the accusation about Kobe could remain unknown until he's found guilty.

But the identity of the victim should definitely be kept secret.





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Re: Rape me my friend.... [Re: Learyfan]
    #1755253 - 07/28/03 07:11 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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But the identity of the victim should definitely be kept secret.




I also think that if the accuser lies, they should serve the same penalty that the rapist would have served.


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Re: Rape me my friend.... [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1755260 - 07/28/03 07:14 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Two good points.

Both are as it SHOULD be.


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Re: Rape me my friend.... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1755324 - 07/28/03 07:49 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I was gonna say that lying isnt as bad as raping, but lying that would ruin someone's life, may as well be rape, so yea I agree with you.


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Re: Rape me my friend.... [Re: Grav]
    #1755331 - 07/28/03 07:54 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

it's sort of like raping someone's life. I think lying aboot rape is worse than rape itself, sort of. Maybe not but it is horrible reguardless.


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Re: Rape me my friend.... [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1755358 - 07/28/03 08:13 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

then again, if you put something like that in as a law, then people will be afraid to bring anyone to court on account of really good lawyers making it look like they were lying.


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Re: Rape me my friend.... [Re: Grav]
    #1755379 - 07/28/03 08:26 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

That is a very good point. That is the same reason why rape victims identities are protected. You always want to make it easier for a violated woman to come forward. The safer and less embarassing you can make the process the better. As far as the women who cry rape falsely goes, they should have some kind of penalty against them. If it is shown to be a blatant lie, then punishment is in order. It makes it tougher for the real victims to be taken seriously. To me anyone that would lie about something that serious is a scum bag. Personally, I put true rape up their with murder. Rapists are sick fucks that deserve death IMO.


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Re: Rape me my friend.... [Re: shakta]
    #1755480 - 07/28/03 09:02 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

That's why i think rape trials should NEVER be opened to the public.  Actually short of public officials i think a majority of trials should NOT be covered by the media until it is proven one way or the other.  It's a catch 22, because i agree that rape is up there with murder but i also know that feeling guilty the next morning gets turned into rape all too often (not that i know mind you.. :crazy:).  I really don't have a solution other than treating rape as a different kind of crime needing a different kind of litigation.


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Re: Rape me my friend.... [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1755687 - 07/28/03 10:57 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

without celeb cases like this, with what fodder
will we generate nielsen ratings then?


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Re: Rape me my friend.... [Re: Grav]
    #1755827 - 07/28/03 11:58 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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then again, if you put something like that in as a law, then people will be afraid to bring anyone to court on account of really good lawyers making it look like they were lying.




In any case, acquittal of the accused rapist should not constitute proof that the alleged rape victim lied.


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Re: Rape me my friend.... [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1755865 - 07/28/03 12:10 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Not automatically, no.

But in the event of acquittal, an investigation should be done and if sufficient evidence is found, then try the accuser.


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Re: Rape me my friend.... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1755917 - 07/28/03 12:21 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

It just makes me sick..Like, physically nauseous, to see that all of a sudden, one rape trial involving a guy who a plays a game, is suddenly, if you go by time on the airwaves, twice as important as anything that happens in the entire WORLD?

Someone has their priorities severely fucked up....


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Re: Rape me my friend.... [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1755922 - 07/28/03 12:24 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Madtowntripper said:
It just makes me sick..Like, physically nauseous, to see that all of a sudden, one rape trial involving a guy who a plays a game, is suddenly, if you go by time on the airwaves, twice as important as anything that happens in the entire WORLD?

Someone has their priorities severely fucked up....



You're quite correct. Stories like this are silly.

Equally silly is the media paying any attention at all to what some actor / actress thinks about world affairs.


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Re: Rape me my friend.... [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1755948 - 07/28/03 12:29 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

How big is this in the USA? I haven't heard about it yet anywhere outside the Shroomery. Is there any chance that it gets as big as the OJ Simpson trial? That one got a lot of attention here in Europe too, for whatever reason.


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Re: Rape me my friend.... [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1755996 - 07/28/03 12:46 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

There was a fairly high-profile case in the UK last year where a woman accused a fairly famous political couple of luring her to their home and raping her. Instead of going to the police first, she went to a notorious British PR guy (Max Clifford) and it was all over the papers. It turned out to be complete horseshit (as many suspected), and I think last month the woman was sentenced to 3 years in jail for her trouble.


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Re: Rape me my friend.... [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1756065 - 07/28/03 01:07 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Good points inny.  I heard this morning that kobe had a 5 year 3 million dollar contract with nike, that is now on hold because of this whole scandal...

It seems women crying 'rape' are becoming more common these days.......but its better to beilieve than not to, otherwise that negro lady bush raped may not see justice for her case! :lol:


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Re: Rape me my friend.... [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1756319 - 07/28/03 02:33 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I think she by all means deserves the right to make her accusations or whatever, and Kobe has the right to a fair trial, but how does it become so incredibly important to like, 40 million other people?


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Re: Rape me my friend.... [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1756327 - 07/28/03 02:35 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think its important to those people...just that the media 'thinks' it may and so blast the topic to death.... :tongue:


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Re: Rape me my friend.... [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1756416 - 07/28/03 03:02 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

same way J-Lo's latest hairdo is such a big fucking deal.



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Re: Rape me my friend.... [Re: shakta]
    #1756687 - 07/28/03 04:38 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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You always want to make it easier for a violated woman to come forward. The safer and less embarassing you can make the process the better.








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Re: Rape me my friend.... [Re: Learyfan]
    #1756693 - 07/28/03 04:40 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Learyfan said:
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You always want to make it easier for a violated woman to come forward. The safer and less embarassing you can make the process the better.



I don't think anyone here disagree's with that.

The question is, should a woman, who makes a false rape claim, get off scot free?


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Re: Rape me my friend.... [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1756700 - 07/28/03 04:43 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)


"I don't think its important to those people...just that the media 'thinks' it may and so blast the topic to death.... "

I don't agree, I think there are plenty of people who love this sort of thing. It's a big heaping pile of gossip and speculation at this point and that turns a lot of people's wheels. That's why tabloid media is such big business, it plays on people's baser nature and millions just can't resist, not to mention that this particular story has a number of classic elements that will get people fixated on it as it goes along. For media outlets it's a gold mine and they know their public well.



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Re: Rape me my friend.... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1756790 - 07/28/03 05:13 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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The question is, should a woman, who makes a false rape claim, get off scot free?




Hell no.Not if you can prove it.


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Re: Rape me my friend.... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1756832 - 07/28/03 05:30 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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The question is, should a woman, who makes a false rape claim, get off scot free? 




Hell no. I agree that women who just make this stuff up should be locked away for a long time.

You know what would suck though? If a women  did get raped and then had to do hard time for lying.

:shocked:



 


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Re: Rape me my friend.... [Re: Learyfan]
    #1756845 - 07/28/03 05:35 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Yes. That would suck.

But would it suck more than a man doing time for a false rape charge?

Not in my book.


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