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straw log tek?
    #1754217 - 07/27/03 09:33 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

i dont know if this should now go into regular cult because of its popularity, if you need to move it mod sorry in advance..but

i have a few questions about this exact tek that maybe could be cleared up this is the tek
http://www.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/2/24584.html?1050544454
to spare you from reading the whole thing. it says that the lime brings the ph up to 12...i thought mycelium can only survive a ph of around 8? can any one clear that up?
also no bleach is used is that fine?
and he also pasturizes at around 150 is that good?
and lastly he leaves the bag wrapped untill inverto starts. is that nessicary just wanna clear this up for me thank you

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Re: straw log tek? [Re: realrasta]
    #1754349 - 07/27/03 10:50 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

you should read the facs man. the answer is yes to everything


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Re: straw log tek? [Re: Hongosmeester]
    #1754580 - 07/28/03 12:52 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Wow.... 12 is pretty high -- that's about the pH of bleach. Not the way I go about doing things, but I guess it works....

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Re: straw log tek? [Re: realrasta]
    #1755357 - 07/28/03 07:13 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

I use the tek and it works great.I add bleach to my limewater(1 cup to 15 gallons).It amazes me how quickly the mycelium rips through the straw.Follow the tek and add the bleach,the results will absolutely amaze you .I have had mature shrooms in as little as 16 days though 22 days is my average.And yeah leave the bag on,it protects the log from drying.


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Re: straw log tek? [Re: shroomophile]
    #1755516 - 07/28/03 08:16 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

okay thats what i wanted to know thank you for having more patience than HONGOSMEESTER. i just thought 12 ph was really high

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Re: straw log tek? [Re: realrasta]
    #1755576 - 07/28/03 08:51 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

that tek is pretty bad ass works great to

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Re: straw log tek? [Re: shroomophile]
    #1758252 - 07/29/03 12:23 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

:razz: :razz: :tongue:


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Re: straw log tek? [Re: Hongosmeester]
    #1760326 - 07/29/03 05:08 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

How is it that this tek can leave mycelium to fully colonize a substrate in a fully lit room (NOT the dark) and in room temps. How can it work? Why not use a dark, warm room?


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Re: straw log tek? [Re: I_Stain_Blue]
    #1760616 - 07/29/03 06:35 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

I do. You could prolly just do it in an unheated room, but it's better if you don't.

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Re: straw log tek? [Re: micro]
    #1760681 - 07/29/03 07:02 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

the mycelium and straw makes it's own heat. I put a log on my grow chamber with a thermometer inserted into the middle of it and it overheated . I have no theories about the light. :confused:


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Re: straw log tek? [Re: Hongosmeester]
    #1760772 - 07/29/03 07:24 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Strange -- I always incubated @ 85.

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Re: straw log tek? [Re: micro]
    #1760919 - 07/29/03 08:08 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

put a thermo porb in the substrate .
i quit working with straw 'cause it's such a pain in the ass to prepare .
but with the horse poo i'm useing now, and a room temp of 80F, the substrate got up to 88F at times, then cooled off in later stages of growth .

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Re: straw log tek? [Re: deanofmean]
    #1760926 - 07/29/03 08:10 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Do you put holes in the plastic?

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Re: straw log tek? [Re: micro]
    #1760988 - 07/29/03 08:35 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

the point i was trying to make, is that substrate temp should be monitored .

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Re: straw log tek? [Re: deanofmean]
    #1761007 - 07/29/03 08:42 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Well, yeah -- I certainly will next time.

It's just funny, though -- I don't and I've never had a problem, ever, and it colonizes in like 5 days.

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Re: straw log tek? [Re: micro]
    #1762578 - 07/30/03 11:55 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

micro said:
Strange -- I always incubated @ 85.

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the thermometer probe said 92 degrees in my 84 degree grow chamber so I removed the log to a cooler spot it eventually went down to about 80. If it had gotten any hotter it would have started composting


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Re: straw log tek? [Re: shroomophile]
    #1762589 - 07/30/03 12:03 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

shroomophile said:
I use the tek and it works great.I add bleach to my limewater(1 cup to 15 gallons).It amazes me how quickly the mycelium rips through the straw.Follow the tek and add the bleach,the results will absolutely amaze you .I have had mature shrooms in as little as 16 days though 22 days is my average.And yeah leave the bag on,it protects the log from drying.




indeed, bleach kicks ass with lime pasturization.


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Re: straw log tek? [Re: Hippie3]
    #1762622 - 07/30/03 12:13 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

btw, we moved that thread so the original url has changed.
the correct url is now http://www.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/2/30183.html?1059589094#POST116971


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Re: straw log tek? [Re: Hippie3]
    #1800525 - 08/11/03 01:55 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Incubating in a lighted room helps to speed up pinning. Paul Stamets has written that 86F is the ideal temperature for cubies to incubate. He was talking about substrate temperature, not air temperature. The substrate will always be warmer than the surrounding air. As for the PH of 12, this is what it measures right after pasteurization. As soon as the mycelia begins to rip through the substrate, the ph naturally lowers. Within two weeks it will be in the 6.5-7.5 range.


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Re: straw log tek? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #1802226 - 08/11/03 03:05 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

A pH of 12 seems extreme to me -- that's alkaline enough to be hostile to most living things.


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Re: straw log tek? [Re: Sev]
    #1802383 - 08/11/03 03:51 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

A pH of 12 is very high. 12 is comparable to soapy water and 13 to bleach according to this website: http://www.wcsscience.com/pH/page.html

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Re: straw log tek? [Re: YidakiMan]
    #1802673 - 08/11/03 05:11 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

that all matters little since we already know it works and very well at that.
cubie mycellia is an amazingly tough organism.
and the extreme ph helps keep out assorted nasties.


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Re: straw log tek? [Re: Hippie3]
    #1804194 - 08/12/03 12:47 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

quote:
"A pH of 12 seems extreme to me -- that's alkaline enough to be hostile to most living things."

Exactly why we do it. The myc can handle it fine, but spores (of any kind) won't be able to germinate until the ph comes back down. By then the myc will be established and can hold its own.


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Re: straw log tek? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #1804977 - 08/12/03 08:55 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

how do you raise the pH that high?

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Re: straw log tek? [Re: YidakiMan]
    #1805175 - 08/12/03 10:37 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

With hydrated lime. (per the tek)


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Re: straw log tek? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #1805274 - 08/12/03 11:10 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

It's the water that goes to 12.I don't think the straw goes that high.I made a run a few days ago and for shit's and giggles,i tested the Ph of the water before and after.12 before 10 after.Making a run today.I will run a Ph on the straw and see where it's at after it's done..


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Re: straw log tek? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #1810815 - 08/13/03 06:30 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

afoaf is seeing a lot of mutation.

wondering if high levels of bleach
could be causing this problem?

not really using anything else that
would cause these sorts of petroleum
type mutations...

except maybe trace amounts of oust
settling while making up the logs or
using rubber gloves.

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Re: straw log tek? [Re: afoaf]
    #1811117 - 08/13/03 08:02 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Might be the bleach, who knows.  Mutants are cool though. . . :smile:


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Re: straw log tek? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #1811401 - 08/13/03 09:10 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

dude has a few logs going -- they do indeed colonize quickly -- but they seem to have come to a halt.. many pieces of straw that are up against the plastic seem like they won't ever colonize! anyone got a pic of a completely colonized straw log before it pins .. or really any pics showing the process of a log maturing before and during pins?


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Re: straw log tek? [Re: afoaf]
    #1812676 - 08/14/03 07:04 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

we haven't observed any direct correlation between bleach [at the proper concentration ] and mutations.
bleach quickly breaks down in just a day or two.
of course mutations occur for a plethora of reasons
so exactly why you have them is anybody's guess.



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Re: straw log tek? [Re: I_Stain_Blue]
    #1814554 - 08/14/03 05:42 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: straw log tek? [Re: I_Stain_Blue]
    #1815355 - 08/14/03 09:54 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)





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Re: straw log tek? [Re: Hippie3]
    #1815364 - 08/14/03 09:57 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

looks like the straw is completely colonized --- any idea why some of the straw right up against the plastic might not colonize?


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Re: straw log tek? [Re: I_Stain_Blue]
    #1816961 - 08/15/03 12:47 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

did you poke enough holes? or maybe its too dry near the edge? i dunno afoafs is 3 days old and taking off pretty well, obviously he doesnt know if there will be probs yet... but... ramblin

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Re: straw log tek? [Re: cell]
    #1818662 - 08/15/03 11:35 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

a friend saw a corrolation between lysol and mutation, so i am guessing it is the oust you may have gotten on it. just my 2 cents. good luck!


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