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Willsolvem's Polymer Water Crystal Casing tek * 1
    #17538438 - 01/12/13 04:22 PM (12 years, 6 days ago)

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water is the catalyst for the mycelium tissue to become mushroom fruit body tissue, aside from the water content of the substrate (always a constant 65%) which by the time it is being cased has already been captured or reserved, the casing provides a reservoir of its own that can be used to move more tissue into fruits, then it stands that overall water content by volume should be as high as possible while still allowing air presence should be sought, while microwave moisture tests by volume (500ml was used) showed the polymer crystals held 20% higher water content over vermiculite (+/-5%) I don't think I would be surprised to see that translated into a20% higher conversion into mushroom tissue...




Remember; no organic matter means no pasteurization and no contaminations



              Willsolvem's Polymer Water Crystal Casing tek:

Items needed:
Polymer water crystals (PWC)
Vermiculite
Hydrated lime
Gypsum
Measuring cup
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Water (filtered if possible)

The mix:
*This will make 3 quarts of casing material (perfect for a 18 gallon tub @.5in)
1500ml (6 cups) water
15ml (1Tbsp) PWC
200ml gypsum
1000ml (4 cups) vermiculite
Hydrated lime

The technique:
First start by treating the water to be used by boiling and cooling, measure out 1500ml (6 cups) and treat with hydrated lime until PH reaches desired level then dissolve 200ml of gypsum into water.

Grab your bag of WPC and measure out 15ml (1tbsp) into the mixing bowl



Then add the treated water and let stand for 45 minutes









Next mix in 1000ml (4 cups) of DRY vermiculite and mix, the WPC will hydrate the vermiculite perfectly





Then case and fruit like normal



Heres a picture of the crystals I use, this one pound bag makes over 16 gallons of hydrated crystals



Other uses for PWC:
Add a quart of hydrated crystals (not treated with hydrated lime) to any bulk sub while adding spawn for better substrate water retention
Use in printing area to prolong printing windows found with pans
Add hydrated untreated crystals to any perlite being used for humidity control, you can then hydrate/rehydrate perlite with a spray bottle and the PWC will absorb any water the perlite didn't

I hope this helps, good luck.


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Re: Willsolvem's Polymer Water Crystal Casing tek [Re: WillSolvem]
    #17538993 - 01/12/13 06:10 PM (12 years, 6 days ago)

Nice bro, never seen this before. Thanks!


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Re: Willsolvem's Polymer Water Crystal Casing tek [Re: Jcoonan]
    #17539183 - 01/12/13 06:52 PM (12 years, 6 days ago)

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Re: Willsolvem's Polymer Water Crystal Casing tek [Re: WillSolvem]
    #17541444 - 01/13/13 09:33 AM (12 years, 6 days ago)

Neat idea, and nice writeup!

For those of us who don't have litmus paper handy, do you have any guidelines for how much hydrated lime you end up putting in there?

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Re: Willsolvem's Polymer Water Crystal Casing tek [Re: toxetel]
    #17541568 - 01/13/13 10:17 AM (12 years, 6 days ago)



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Re: Willsolvem's Polymer Water Crystal Casing tek [Re: iwannabemro]
    #17541580 - 01/13/13 10:20 AM (12 years, 6 days ago)

I will try this with my pan cyan . Thanks willsolvem.

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Re: Willsolvem's Polymer Water Crystal Casing tek [Re: toxetel]
    #17541710 - 01/13/13 11:04 AM (12 years, 6 days ago)

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toxetel said:
Neat idea, and nice writeup!

For those of us who don't have litmus paper handy, do you have any guidelines for how much hydrated lime you end up putting in there?



I don't I'm sorry, this is because the starting PH of the water will vary, I have public water and depending on the time of year they use different sources for the towns waster supply, I don't use the hydrated lime in a PWC casing anymore, I didn't feel it's necessary as it is usually included to prevent contam/competing spores from germinating on a organic substance and eating it (peat moss), since theres to organic matter to promote/sustain contams with this casing layer why include it if the mycelium only tolerates it at best. I included in the tek for the cultivators who can't stand the thought of an unpasteurized casing (the use of hydrated lime it's considered chemical pasteurization).


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Re: Willsolvem's Polymer Water Crystal Casing tek [Re: WillSolvem]
    #17541859 - 01/13/13 11:39 AM (12 years, 6 days ago)

Another strange casing supplement i read about was activated charcoal.


http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/738105

It said it was used for Agaricus Bisporous, i wonder how it would work with cubes being ph neutral.

I want to try a mix of your PWC, Activated charcoal, and verm.


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Re: Willsolvem's Polymer Water Crystal Casing tek [Re: WillSolvem]
    #17543526 - 01/13/13 05:35 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

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I don't I'm sorry, this is because the starting PH of the water will vary, I have public water and depending on the time of year they use different sources for the towns waster supply, I don't use the hydrated lime in a PWC casing anymore, I didn't feel it's necessary as it is usually included to prevent contam/competing spores from germinating on a organic substance and eating it (peat moss), since theres to organic matter to promote/sustain contams with this casing layer why include it if the mycelium only tolerates it at best. I included in the tek for the cultivators who can't stand the thought of an unpasteurized casing (the use of hydrated lime it's considered chemical pasteurization).




Hmm, yeah, good point -- the purpose of pH balancing a casing is to prevent mold, so if you're using a casing that mold won't grow on there's no need for it.

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Re: Willsolvem's Polymer Water Crystal Casing tek [Re: toxetel]
    #17556964 - 01/16/13 12:48 PM (12 years, 3 days ago)

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Re: Willsolvem's Polymer Water Crystal Casing tek [Re: WillSolvem]
    #17557067 - 01/16/13 01:16 PM (12 years, 3 days ago)

:takingnotes: I will be trying this with some pans. :cheers:

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    #17557229 - 01/16/13 01:59 PM (12 years, 3 days ago)

If anyone wants to try them and post the results here I have 10 15ml bags of crystals I'll send out to the first ten who ask. Send me a letter with a SASE included, U.S.shipping only. All I'm asking in return is that you post results here. PM me for the addy


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    #17557666 - 01/16/13 03:41 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

8 are still available!


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Re: Willsolvem's Polymer Water Crystal Casing tek [Re: WillSolvem]
    #17568187 - 01/18/13 02:11 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

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Re: Willsolvem's Polymer Water Crystal Casing tek [Re: WillSolvem]
    #17570776 - 01/18/13 11:01 PM (12 years, 15 hours ago)

Im game looks realy good. You still have some to give away. Send me your addy and ill mail you the envelope and stamp.


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    #17571792 - 01/19/13 06:48 AM (12 years, 7 hours ago)

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Re: Willsolvem's Polymer Water Crystal Casing tek [Re: WillSolvem]
    #17573764 - 01/19/13 02:47 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

In going to try this. I will post my results


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Re: Willsolvem's Polymer Water Crystal Casing tek [Re: gizmo1]
    #17573830 - 01/19/13 03:00 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

:popcorn:

Sounds interesting. 

I would worry the casing wouldn't be airy enough (i.e. too dense and heavy) and that it might actually lead to increased contams.

Still, I really like the idea.  Can't wait to see everyone's results.  Plus I think I have some of these crystals out in my gardening stuff.

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Re: Willsolvem's Polymer Water Crystal Casing tek [Re: Queen of Kings]
    #17574008 - 01/19/13 03:36 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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:popcorn:

Sounds interesting. 

I would worry the casing wouldn't be airy enough (i.e. too dense and heavy) and that it might actually lead to increased contams.

Still, I really like the idea.  Can't wait to see everyone's results.  Plus I think I have some of these crystals out in my gardening stuff.



They both (PWCs and vermiculite) are anti compacting agents, you could stand on this mix and it won't compact, if you can't find any let me know and I'll shoot you some, I still have your addy :thumbup:


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Re: Willsolvem's Polymer Water Crystal Casing tek [Re: WillSolvem]
    #17574071 - 01/19/13 03:46 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

A cute little pin (ksss) coming through a PWC/V mix right now


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Re: Willsolvem's Polymer Water Crystal Casing tek [Re: WillSolvem]
    #17589224 - 01/22/13 08:26 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Heres a couple more shots of (ksss) pins loving the polymer crystals. Note: any green you see is light passing through the green container I'm using and reflecting off the crystals







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Re: Willsolvem's Polymer Water Crystal Casing tek [Re: WillSolvem]
    #17590321 - 01/22/13 01:15 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I wouldn't say your pins are necessarily loving the polymer crystals. Every time somebody comes around spouting the use of this stuff the results are always less than spectacular. I don't know why people keep trying. Your casing looks way too wet and your pin set is lacking because of it. The polymer crystals are probably only exacerbating the situation.


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Re: Willsolvem's Polymer Water Crystal Casing tek [Re: prismism]
    #17590880 - 01/22/13 02:47 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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I wouldn't say your pins are necessarily loving the polymer crystals. Every time somebody comes around spouting the use of this stuff the results are always less than spectacular. I don't know why people keep trying. Your casing looks way too wet and your pin set is lacking because of it. The polymer crystals are probably only exacerbating the situation.



I don't want to sound petty like "no man it isn't too wet just a shitty cell phone camera... Pics for grow log.. firsts pins..". Instead I ask to put any criticism to the test, send me a SASE and you get a free 15ml bag, all I ask is that you actually try the mix - even if you only play with it and don't case anything - just post your results here, PM me for the addy man I think you will be impressed.

I woke up to these today, I'll try to post a picture once a day of this one tub


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Re: Willsolvem's Polymer Water Crystal Casing tek [Re: WillSolvem]
    #17590982 - 01/22/13 03:01 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Taken about ten minutes ago:


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    #17591032 - 01/22/13 03:08 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Right on, man. I'll admit, I haven't used the crystals myself, but I have applied many a casing layer. Try not laying it on so thick. That last photo looks better.


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Re: Willsolvem's Polymer Water Crystal Casing tek [Re: prismism]
    #17591232 - 01/22/13 03:45 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

is this to keep your substrate hydrated longer? and does it have any adverse affects to the taste/potency? other than those questions nice tek :thumbup:

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Re: Willsolvem's Polymer Water Crystal Casing tek [Re: oONoodlesOo]
    #17591411 - 01/22/13 04:12 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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is this to keep your substrate hydrated longer?



Yes


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and does it have any adverse affects to the taste/potency?



None that I have found, but without proper testing I could be sure, again not that I have noticed, basically I started exploring the idea when I got into sterile (as in cleanliness not reproductivity) mushroom culture (for sterile printing) but wanted a way to grow then in something larger than a gallon mason jars, trich loves peat, but I hate trich, so me and peat don't see eye to eye. With that I wanted a casing material that had no possibility of supporting life for contams but not only retained moisture but have the ability to visually account for its moisture content (peat is dark wet, and lighter when dry) in this case by reducing in mass (shrinking). So far I like it, I get really clean prints for bulk grows, stays hydrated, no pasteurization.. :shrug:


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    #17598059 - 01/23/13 05:56 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

About 5 minutes ago:


Some history: KSSS MS inoculated (1) jar 10/31, transfered to (12) jars, then expanded by 10 (120 total jars), spawned for ~12 days consolidated for 7, 48-72hrs after casing I patched and initiated pinning. Temps 70/82°f@peak 12/12 spawn material: whole oats. Substrate material: 60%hpoo 20%mixed straws/stalks (shredded corn and molasses) 20%vermiculite gypsum @2:1 4" depth


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    #17603837 - 01/24/13 04:47 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Most of the growth happened over night, the cap splitting was due to high temps (87°f peak) and causing the humidifier in the room to dry out, it's a wick type and it's reservoir hasn't been modded. Taken about five minutes ago:




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    #17604344 - 01/24/13 06:04 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Heres a couple shots of two other tubs and one tray in the greenhouse that have good pin sets with the crystals..







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    #17609516 - 01/25/13 02:54 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Daily photo update:

Heres a picture of the first tray we have been following


Heres a picture of the second


And the greenhouse tray (about 72hrs behind the tubs)


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    #17611199 - 01/25/13 08:55 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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Most of the growth happened over night, the cap splitting was due to high temps (87°f peak) and causing the humidifier in the room to dry out, it's a wick type and it's reservoir hasn't been modded. Taken about five minutes ago:






Damn those are massive fruits lol is that the ksss?


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    #17611230 - 01/25/13 09:02 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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Daily photo update:

Heres a picture of the first tray we have been following


Heres a picture of the second


And the greenhouse tray (about 72hrs behind the tubs)


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    #17612762 - 01/26/13 06:10 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

:thanx:


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    #17612769 - 01/26/13 06:14 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

This will probably be the last picture of the first tub we followed as I will be harvesting them later today, I'll post pictures of following flush(es) but not daily ones, I hope yall enjoyed :thumbup:



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    #17612779 - 01/26/13 06:18 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I didn't follow your thread, but that's a beautiful flush
man, good job.

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    #17612847 - 01/26/13 07:03 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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    #17617909 - 01/27/13 08:28 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Sorry I didn't get to upload yesterday, heres a shot of the second tub last night, right before I harvested, the clusters were sooo dense it was impossible not to fuck up the substrate


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Re: Willsolvem's Polymer Water Crystal Casing tek [Re: WillSolvem]
    #17618867 - 01/27/13 12:52 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

VERY NICE!!  Could we get a picture of a fruit/print next to a bic lighter or other object that will give an easy sense of scale?

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    #17618932 - 01/27/13 01:04 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Willsolvem's Polymer Water Crystal Casing tek [Re: WillSolvem]
    #17619006 - 01/27/13 01:22 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Very nice haul:thumbup:Thanks for sharing!  I'll have to have my apprentice try this on his next run :grin:

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Re: Willsolvem's Polymer Water Crystal Casing tek [Re: TheDeathryder]
    #17619027 - 01/27/13 01:27 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

:thumbup:  :thanx:


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Re: Willsolvem's Polymer Water Crystal Casing tek [Re: WillSolvem]
    #17620715 - 01/27/13 07:54 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Tonights pictures of the GH tray:



Tonights harvest, found a actual bic this time ryder!


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Re: Willsolvem's Polymer Water Crystal Casing tek [Re: WillSolvem]
    #27310067 - 05/15/21 04:35 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Bump.

I'm thinking water crystals are a challenge basket ingredient for growing cubes. Change my mind. Has anyone had any decent grows with these things as a casing?

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