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Offlinegir
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Re: acid trip compared to mushroom trip [Re: Help on the Way]
    #1754653 - 07/28/03 01:37 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

One of my small groups of friends has made the statement more than once (of course this is totally opinion) that mushrooms (along with most any other dimethyltryptamine derivative) are a spiritual experience where as LSD (and the other ergolines they have tried) are more of a scientific/ mathematic experience. I can kinda see where theyre coming form.


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Re: acid trip compared to mushroom trip [Re: gir]
    #1755862 - 07/28/03 11:09 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I think that what they are saying is based on their expectations which are rooted in cultural bullshit.


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Re: acid trip compared to mushroom trip [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #1757016 - 07/28/03 05:49 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I think you're ignoring the differing neuropharmacology of these substances.


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Re: acid trip compared to mushroom trip [Re: Pyronate]
    #1757133 - 07/28/03 06:39 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Please explain to me how the differing neuropharmacology of LSD and psilocin dictates that one substance produces a more "mathematical"/"chemical" trip and another substance produces a more "natural"/"chemical" trip.


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Re: acid trip compared to mushroom trip [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #1757141 - 07/28/03 06:42 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

well, they're different drugs, you know.


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Re: acid trip compared to mushroom trip [Re: Dogomush]
    #1757242 - 07/28/03 07:21 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

You need to be more specific. I'm asking for a detailed explanation of how the differing neuropharmacology of LSD and psilocin dictates the experiences so that LSD is experienced as "feeling more chemical" and psilocin is characterized as "feeling more natural".


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Re: acid trip compared to mushroom trip [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #1757308 - 07/28/03 07:40 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Now, no one could do -that-.  However, since they are two different substances, there's a reason to think that they could act in two slightly different manners.

We need double-blind test studies, dammit.  :smile:


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Re: acid trip compared to mushroom trip [Re: Sev]
    #1757413 - 07/28/03 08:15 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I'm trying to find it now, but I do recall one double-blind study where people confused LSD and one of the phenethylamine hallucinogens (DOB, DOI, or DOM, iirc) 50% of the time.

EDIT - just to show that I'm not completely making this up, here's part of a study about methylphenidate discrimination:

"To summarize the findings of the discriminative-stimulus effects of methylphenidate compared to cocaine and -amphetamine, Fig. 2 graphically depicts the ratio of the minimum methylphenidate dose required to fully substitute (occasion >80% drug-appropriate responding) for a range of training doses of cocaine and -amphetamine. In general, the ratio of the minimum dose of methylphenidate required to substitute fully for a cocaine training stimulus was less than 1 (range 0.125?8.0; median 0.275), indicating that in both rats and humans across a range of routes of administration (e.g., intraperitoneal, oral, subcutaneous), relatively lower doses of methylphenidate were identified as a cocaine-training stimulus. Methylphenidate was not as potent in substituting for the -amphetamine training stimulus (range 1.0?53.7; median 3.125), but always fully substituted at some dose."

Assessing the abuse potential of methylphenidate in nonhuman and human subjects: a review
Scott H. Kollins, , , Emily K. MacDonald and Craig R. Rush
Pharmacology Biochemistry and Behavior
Volume 68, Issue 3 , March 2001, Pages 611-627
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I'll try finding the one about hallucinogens though.


Edited by Phencyclidine (07/28/03 08:22 PM)


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Re: acid trip compared to mushroom trip [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #1757699 - 07/28/03 09:37 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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Phencyclidine said:
I think that what they are saying is based on their expectations which are rooted in cultural bullshit.




is that such a bad thing? living in illusions is fun!


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Re: acid trip compared to mushroom trip [Re: domite]
    #1757839 - 07/28/03 10:12 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Not necessarily good or bad. I think it's limiting. It's essentially telling a person what to expect.


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Re: acid trip compared to mushroom trip [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #1757966 - 07/28/03 10:46 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

i guess, but all of our perseptions are basicly illusions, and getting something that other people get too is no worse than getting something only you get. am I making sence?


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Re: acid trip compared to mushroom trip [Re: domite]
    #1758029 - 07/28/03 10:59 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, makes sense. It's not necessarily good or bad. I guess I have to admit that I'm biased against it. I'll have to think about why.


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Re: acid trip compared to mushroom trip [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #1758085 - 07/28/03 11:14 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

This kind of aggrivates me.
ALOT of people say acid feels "chemical".
Because it is one.
And they also say mushrooms feel "natural".
But it's a chemical.. it grows in nature though, so it feels "natural". I don't understand this..

Hmm.. here's my analogy:
LSD = Wooohhaaaa!
mushrooms = Woah, man.

that's just my opinion :smile:


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Re: acid trip compared to mushroom trip [Re: Brugman]
    #1758114 - 07/28/03 11:27 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

That's exactly what aggravates me, too. I think it's because it indicates that these experiences are dictated by expectations which have no logical basis. It's biased, illogical thinking to believe that there is some inherent, discernable difference between a "natural" chemical and a "synthetic" chemical.

When it really comes down to it I guess what it does is that it seems to shift the dialogue away from neuropharmacology towards a sort of mystical gaian system of thought. Whether or not this is good, is up to you.


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Re: acid trip compared to mushroom trip [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #1758527 - 07/29/03 02:11 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Acid feels more like a poison to me, but I may have just never had good clean acid.


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Re: acid trip compared to mushroom trip [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1760310 - 07/29/03 05:03 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I love them both but i would definitely pick acid. mushrooms are just as fun in a totally different way but it doesnt last near as long. when i take mushrooms i feel like a wanderer that has no home and i just want to trip every day forever and just forget my normal life. it sounds undesirable but while i trip it sounds so fun and that is what i want to do until my trip ends then i have fun going back to my normal life.on acid i feel like i am untouchable and that everyone looks up to me. i feel kind of like jim morisson and like i have so many opportunities and everything is perfect.i feel normal the next day after a shroom trip.after an acid trip i can definitely feel the effects of what i have done for a day or maybe 2, but i still feal very awake and alert with more energy than usual.and weed gets you so much higher than usual the day after ari


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