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skippydude
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Hay provides more nutrients.
I'm told straw carries more trich spores than hay as well.
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AbbeyRoad



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Skip - Thought I've always read the opposite; straw=good \ hay=bad... But common sense does tell me that hay would definitly have more nutritive value.
I thought contams were a major factor to avoid hay though (due to seed). Perhap Oat hay is unique somehow? Dont most commercial oyster growers mainly stick to straw?? If hay is better, why isn't it a more popular substrate? What am I missing here? .
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skippydude
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Got me thinking now. I do know I have used hay from the beginning. Got contamination problems early on , but realized I was pasteurizing wrong. With proper methods I haven't had one contaminated bag. Have had a grain or two sprout, but that caused no issues.
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Thats cool bro, you had me thinking too! This is usually a GOOD thing right? lol
Sorry to jack the thread OP... back to you
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Buckets FTW.
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t3chnobily
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What is oat hay? Is it green and leafy or stemy? I have been messing around using horse hay for supplements. Still waiting for resulsts. should know soon.
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skippydude
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Oat and wheat hay look very much like straw.
 I am wondering now, if straw is hay with the berries removed?
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Kyuule

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The above picture is most certainly straw. With maybe a few grains left in it. Hay is the full plant leaf and all. Straw is ONLY the stock of the plant, what is left over after they harvest the grain. Leafs = Hay
Personally never had any luck with pasteurizing hay. From what I've read here is there is too much nitrogen, you need to sterilize.
Edited by Kyuule (12/13/12 01:13 PM)
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skippydude
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Re: oyster buckets [Re: Kyuule]
#17385736 - 12/13/12 01:23 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kyuule said: The above picture is most certainly straw. With maybe a few grains left in it. Hay is the full plant leaf and all. Straw is ONLY the stock of the plant, what is left over after they harvest the grain. Leafs = Hay
This bale was sold to me as organic oat hay, there are grains just can't see them in the picture.
I imagine grains can easily carry contams through pasteurization.
When I first started on this bale I didn't do the dishsoap thing, I simmered the hay for 1 hour at 160F then soaked it for 24 hours(which you would think would kill some of the grain spores)
Had 50/50 contam rate(ouch)
Got the RR video and doing it his way have had 100% success.
I get an occasional sprout, but they don't seam to hurt anything.
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chefinainteasy
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Skippy the procedure is soak then pasteurize not the other way. If you are buying Hay it will be bundled with full grain heads. Straw will have a bit of grain. If you are pasteurizing properly there should be no sprouting of grains as you have effectively killed all living processes in the seed.
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skippydude
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I no longer soak. Just pasteurize,drain and cool till it is at field and inoculate. Soaking was the cause of my contamination. Go figure
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chefinainteasy
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Got ya. I dont soak my straw either. I heat my 150 gallon trough to 160 F. Add the straw and weight down until submerged. Pasteurize for 90 minutes, in which the temp drops only a few degrees. Drain then cool overnight on my cooling rack or laundry hampers depending on the weather. I dont even use lime. Though everyones tap water has a different starting ph, mine is much higher than most to start with. A cheap ph meter will tell you the need for the lime or not.
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skippydude
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I use lime and never even thought about the PH Actually thought the lime jacked the PH up so much it wiped out a lot of shit in a short time
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superfunkibey
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Are there any other mushrooms which people have tried growing in buckets?
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SpinRat
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It seems like using buckets can be perfect for me because it solves a lot of storage issues, but I have one concern:
What about the second flush? isn't using buckets problematic due to substrate shrinkage, as apposed to polytubing which you can re-tighten around the log after every flush?
Thanks
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sparkle
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Re: oyster buckets [Re: SpinRat]
#17500528 - 01/05/13 04:50 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Good point, Spin rat
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t3chnobily
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Re: oyster buckets [Re: sparkle]
#17500639 - 01/05/13 06:30 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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I get three flushes on my oyster buckets without problem. Substrate does not pull away from the holes just gets lighter.
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nanncee



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I have had oyster buckets fruit 5,6,7 times. You do get to a point where the substrate has pulled far enough away from the side that it won't pin anymore, but it takes quite a while for that to happen. Also on the straw/hay, there is a definitive difference. In my expirence true hay is going to hhave a very high contam rate. 160F is not hot enough to kill everything on the seed. That's why oyster and straw make a perfect combo. Not a lot of nutrient for contams to set in (although they def. Will) before the mycellium can over run it.
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