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Re: Piers Morgan and CNN [Re: HundredYards]
    #17484001 - 01/01/13 11:52 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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and thats your "proof". enough said.




did you read any of these?

http://www.michael-robinett.com/declass/c000.htm

I cant prove it is still in operation because it would be classified if it were.

Im not trying to prove it 100%, im just saying that i dont believe for a second that it totally ended.

If it did go on, i dont believe that would come out and admit it to the public.

There is plenty of circumstantial evidence.

I'm just saying that it is highly probable that it is still going on in some capacity.


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Re: Piers Morgan and CNN [Re: liberty hunter]
    #17484011 - 01/01/13 11:54 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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liberty hunter said:

Talk about jumping to conclusions.  I stated that America is an oligarchy, not run by the government but by a small amount of ruthless financial elite that can buy and control everything including governments.



How was I jumping to conclusions? American government is made up of people like you and I. The presidency isn't very achievable for most people but any American can enter the government without being part of the financial elite. I plan on it and if you think the world is so horrible you should do something about it rather than sitting on your ass and complaining.

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JoieDeVivre, you earned your rating for this thread. It must be nice to be young and idealistic. It reminds me of when I was a kid. Live and learn. Jaded you will become. Enjoy yourself will you. While you can.



Becoming jaded is a choice. I find that a lot of people think the same as you, that growing old and experiencing more means you will begin to be jaded. However I have experienced a lot despite my youth, the terrible sides of people and the world, bit I don't think that's reason to be jaded but rather reason to appreciate all the good and work to change the bad.:shrug:


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Re: Piers Morgan and CNN [Re: Shins]
    #17484053 - 01/02/13 12:06 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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and thats your "proof". enough said.




did you read any of these?

http://www.michael-robinett.com/declass/c000.htm

I cant prove it is still in operation because it would be classified if it were.

Im not trying to prove it 100%, im just saying that i dont believe for a second that it totally ended.

If it did go on, i dont believe that would come out and admit it to the public.

There is plenty of circumstantial evidence.

I'm just saying that it is highly probable that it is still going on in some capacity.


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highly probable? naw.

its highly probable that someone goofed at their job and tried to cover it up by destroying the files.

its highly probably people cant seem to differentiate between correlation and causation.

its highly probably that the whole incident was perpetrated by an unstable person, facing the reality of becoming a ward of the state, who then proceeded to kill his well armed mom and using her guns which he had practiced with, kill a bunch of people at the place his mom volunteered.

that seems alot more plausible than he was "clockwork oranged" into a psychopath and the only proof is a half century old, declassified operation and couple initial accounts that conflicts with everyone else's.

it also supported by real evidence.


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Re: Piers Morgan and CNN [Re: JoieDeVivre]
    #17484060 - 01/02/13 12:09 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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Talk about jumping to conclusions.  I stated that America is an oligarchy, not run by the government but by a small amount of ruthless financial elite that can buy and control everything including governments.



How was I jumping to conclusions? American government is made up of people like you and I. The presidency isn't very achievable for most people but any American can enter the government without being part of the financial elite. I plan on it and if you think the world is so horrible you should do something about it rather than sitting on your ass and complaining.





Wake up will ya, wall street and governments are in bed with each other.  The financial elite controls who comes into government not only by lobbying but because they own the mainstream media which has the ability to make and break presidents.  They control public opinion any outside party doesn't have a chance.  You can't change the system from inside the system.  Like a casino it's rigged and you will never win playing by their rules.  The only chance we have of making a better world is by walking away and building a different model that makes the previous one obsolete, i.e. the venus project.


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Re: Piers Morgan and CNN [Re: liberty hunter]
    #17484070 - 01/02/13 12:13 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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Wake up will ya, wall street and governments are in bed with each other.  The financial elite controls who comes into government not only by lobbying but because they own the mainstream media which has the ability to make and break presidents.  They control public opinion any outside party doesn't have a chance.  You can't change the system from inside the system.  Like a casino it's rigged and you will never win playing by their rules.  The only chance we have of making a better world is by building a different model that makes the previous one obsolete, i.e. the venus project.



Just because there is money in government doesn't mean that all government officials are controlled by financial elites or that all the media is controlled by one group of people. Plenty of outside parties have a chance, what Ron Paul, Jill Stein and Gary Johnson achieved this year was big. If they can learn to work social media in their favor more efficiently a third party could become a force to be reckoned with. Right now third parties don't know how to work the system to their advantage, that's why they don't have a chance. If you're not even on the public radar until shortly before the election you're at an automatic disadvantage. It's not rigged, you just have to work it a certain way. I think we may see an even larger third party showing or a republican party split in the next big election.


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Re: Piers Morgan and CNN [Re: JoieDeVivre]
    #17484118 - 01/02/13 12:37 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Third parties don't have a chance, they never have and never will.  Even if they somehow miraculously got into office you would see a quick change in their policies because they know whats at stake.  Remember what happened to JFK?  He was a legend he knew the truth and wasn't afraid to speak it.  But alas the financial elite always gets what they want while we are operating under this system.  I will say it again the only option we have is to walk away from the rigged game and build another system.


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Re: Piers Morgan and CNN [Re: liberty hunter] * 1
    #17484125 - 01/02/13 12:42 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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Third parties don't have a chance, they never have and never will.  Even if they somehow miraculously got into office you would see a quick change in their policies because they know whats at stake.  Remember what happened to JFK?  He was a legend he knew the truth and wasn't afraid to speak it.  But alas the financial elite always gets what they want while we are operating under this system.  I will say it again the only option we have is to walk away from the rigged game and build another system.



Speech originally entitled "President and the Press" (April 27, 1961).
In this speech JFK refers to the secret societies which have infiltrated the United States

JFK Secret Societies Speech - Complete


Here's the sauce if you don't want to listen to a 20 min speech.


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Re: Piers Morgan and CNN [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #17484178 - 01/02/13 01:02 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

If he wasn't going to expose the truth about extraterrestrials and try to dismantle the CIA maybe he would still be here...
The speech he was set to deliver on the day he got shot would have changed things


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Re: Piers Morgan and CNN [Re: Ellis Dee] * 1
    #17484336 - 01/02/13 01:39 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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He's like every other authoritarian who wants to force conformity to his opinions on everyone else. The sad fact is that most people do not want or care about freedom. They're happy to be slaves.




Expressing his first amendment right to speak his mind is not forcing conformity. It is having an opinion.


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Re: Piers Morgan and CNN [Re: koods]
    #17484354 - 01/02/13 01:42 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

wants to force conformity.


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Re: Piers Morgan and CNN [Re: Shins]
    #17484530 - 01/02/13 02:36 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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Shins said:
wants to force conformity.



Expressing an opinion is not wanting to force conformity. Are you wanting to force conformity every time you post on this site?


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Re: Piers Morgan and CNN [Re: JoieDeVivre] * 1
    #17484619 - 01/02/13 03:14 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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Expressing an opinion is not wanting to force conformity.




in this case it is his opinion is that conformity should be forced.

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Are you wanting to force conformity every time you post on this site?




black and white thinking

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

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" informal fallacy that involves a situation in which only two alternatives are considered"





Not all opinions are opinions that conformity should be forced, every opinion is also not void of the idea that conformity should be forced.

Opinions CAN and sometimes are opinions that conformity should be forced, but not always, its not black and white, 100% one or the other all the time.

you can have the opinion that conformity should be forced
you can also have and opinion that it shouldn't.

piers is of the opinion that conformity should be forced.


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Re: Piers Morgan and CNN [Re: Shins] * 1
    #17484623 - 01/02/13 03:17 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

If i express that i want ice cream do i want ice cream or not?

If Piers expresses that he wants forced conformity, does he want forced conformity or not?

you say...

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Expressing an opinion is not wanting




so i guess i dont want icecream in liberal crazy land, even though i clearly and plainly expressed that i want ice cream.


i know i know... i dont want icecream and no one is going to take any guns.


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Re: Piers Morgan and CNN [Re: Shins]
    #17484636 - 01/02/13 03:23 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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Shins said:
If i express that i want ice cream do i want ice cream or not?

If Piers expresses that he wants forced conformity, does he want forced conformity or not?

you say...

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Expressing an opinion is not wanting




so i guess i dont want icecream, even though i expressed that i want ice cream in liberal crazy land.



Piers said guns should be confiscated and people that keep any should get long prison sentences.

His opinion is protected by the first amendment, his presence in the US is not.

Time for a long walk off a short Pier, Piers!


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