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 Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq 
#1748138 - 07/25/03 12:38 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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TOKYO - Japanese lawmakers voted to send Japanese forces to Iraq (news - web sites) to help with reconstruction, despite delaying tactics by the opposition that deteriorated into a wild shoving match.
The passage of the bill was a victory for Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi, who campaigned hard to send peacekeeping troops overseas as he seeks to raise Japan's profile on the world stage.
He also aims to distance his administration from the "checkbook diplomacy" for which the world's second-richest nation was criticized during the 1991 Gulf War (news - web sites).
Opposition parties criticized the legislation, saying such peacekeeping missions could violate Japan's pacifist constitution and put its troops in the line of enemy fire.
The legislation had already passed an upper house committee with support from Koizumi's three-party coalition, which controls a majority in both chambers of Parliament.
During the committee meeting, outraged opposition legislators shouted and tried to push their way through a ring of ruling party lawmakers to get at the committee chairman, who had cut short the debate. The chairman called a vote amid the grappling and tackling.
The opposition had tried to stall passage of the legislation for days, submitting one censure motion after another against Koizumi, his Cabinet ministers and other ruling party officials in Parliament with long filibuster-style speeches and slow-motion voting.
Koizumi's ruling party had vowed Friday to convene Parliament over the weekend if necessary to ensure the peacekeeping bill was passed before the current legislative session ends next Monday.
The peacekeeping bill allows Japanese ground troops to provide non-combat support for U.S.-led forces in Iraq. It also gives the government power to send forces to trouble spots around the world to offer medical assistance, repatriate refugees, reconstruct buildings and roads and give administrative advice ? even on missions that have yet to receive the United Nations (news - web sites) backing.
Military planners are reportedly considering sending a contingent of up to 1,000 combat engineers and other troops for transport and construction duties in Iraq.
Small Japanese military contingents have participated in several U.N. peacekeeping operations since 1992, most recently in East Timor (news - web sites).
The United States and close ally Britain are having mixed success in recruiting help in Iraq. France, Germany and India have declined to take part. There are currently about 147,000 U.S. troops and 13,000 troops from other countries in Iraq.
U.S. officials have expressed hope that Pakistan and Turkey will also join.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=516&e=1&u=/ap/20030725/ap_on_re_as/japan_politics_11
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: wingnutx]
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: wingnutx]
#1748164 - 07/25/03 12:43 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Funny how now that the worst is over so many want in.
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1748183 - 07/25/03 12:46 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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China is going to shit their collective pants over this one.
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1748197 - 07/25/03 12:49 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Funny how now that the worst is over so many want in.
Not when theres money involved.
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: Azmodeus]
#1748203 - 07/25/03 12:51 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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To be fair, Japan cannot send combat troops anywhere. It's in their constitution. After what they did to all their neighbors it's probably a good idea.
Iraq is now goign to be full of vending machines that dispense coffee, sake, and panties.
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: wingnutx]
#1748211 - 07/25/03 12:53 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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They had better be used school girls...and im not talking coffee! 
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: wingnutx]
#1748216 - 07/25/03 12:53 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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We need MORE sake vending machines
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1748242 - 07/25/03 01:04 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Japans troops aint goin no where.. 90 percent of the population is opposed to you being there.. But then again it didn't stop Spain..
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: Bhairabas]
#1748419 - 07/25/03 01:52 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah, but i think japan is better off than spain, so the spanish are just protecting themselves from being labelled part of the axis of evil....or mabye it was teh axis of eviler,...
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: Azmodeus]
#1748424 - 07/25/03 01:54 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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japans constitution is going to be re-written sometime soon, the government wants to change their "defense force" into a "just-in case/pre-emptive force"
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That's come up a few times, and every time all their neighbors went ballistic. Most of Asia is still scared to death of them.
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: wingnutx]
#1748440 - 07/25/03 01:58 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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ive seen secret tapes of their new army....it is VERY insane, I have a friend who designed their new missiles for mitsubishi.....
all i can say is...if those dudes get into some action, bad shit is gonna go down.
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They've never given up having a large, well trained army. They just kept it at home for a change. If Japan really wants to kick somebody's ass then they'll do it.
Korea, too. Those guys are hard core. Just take a look at their performance in Vietnam. They haven't gotten any softer since then.
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1748481 - 07/25/03 02:11 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Funny how now that the worst is over so many want in.
They are only going in to help clean up the mess that the U.S. created and now can't handle by itself....
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: Rono]
#1748782 - 07/25/03 03:58 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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That would be one interpretation.
Mine is they just want whatever scraps they can grab.
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1750171 - 07/26/03 03:22 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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maybe its a little of both?
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: silversoul7]
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I haven't witnessed that much on this board.
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: Bhairabas]
#1753331 - 07/27/03 03:07 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Japans troops aint goin no where.. 90 percent of the population is opposed to you being there.. But then again it didn't stop Spain..
Wow, I am so glad you polled 90% of Iraqis personally. Thanks! 
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: Bhairabas]
#1753333 - 07/27/03 03:09 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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90 percent of the population is opposed to you being there
Source please.
Or did you ask each and every one yourself?
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1753399 - 07/27/03 03:40 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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did he mean Japan or Iraq, because if he meant japan then he I believe he is accurate. Speaking from personal experience, All the japanese people Ive ever met hate the American military. Probably because they repeatedly rape young japanese girls.
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Repeatedly?
Really, lets at least shoot for semi-accurate.
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1753413 - 07/27/03 03:47 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Repeatedly?
Really, lets at least shoot for semi-accurate.
That would be nice.
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: shakta]
#1753751 - 07/27/03 06:10 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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um yes, repeatedly, do your homework then lets talk.
by repeatedly I mean, again and again and again. US soldiers have been raping japanese girls for a long time, if you dont think im accurate then do some fucking research, because as of now you are an ignorant fool.
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Atomikfunk is right. I've lived in Japan and there's generally a rape case involving a US serviceman at least once every 2-3 months, particularly in Okinawa. In one case that comes to mind the girl was only 13 years old. She was gang-raped by a group of three American soldiers.
The Japanese public would love to see every last US soldier gone, the sooner the better, but the politicians keep the US there a) because it saves them a shitload of trouble and money and b) because the rest of Asia would be terrified if Japan rearmed.
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: EchoVortex]
#1753784 - 07/27/03 06:26 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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there's generally a rape case involving a US serviceman at least once every 2-3 months
I call BS. When it happens it's high-profile as hell.
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: wingnutx]
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: wingnutx]
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there's generally a rape case involving a US serviceman at least once every 2-3 months
I call BS. When it happens it's high-profile as hell.
When I was there it happened quite frequently. At least, it FELT like it happened every 2-3 months, although looking over the news reports I realize that was probably an exaggeration. Once a year is more like it.
Anybody who wants a sampling of the various cases out there can do a Google search for the keywords "Okinawa" and "rape" since that's where they tend to happen most often. There are cases outside of Okinawa as well, so that won't cover everything. There is also the fact that Japanese women are far less likely to report rape than Western women are. I'd bet a third or more of the cases never get reported.
In any event, it happens REPEATEDLY. Again and again. The latest case was just this past June.
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: EchoVortex]
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While even once is too often, once a year hardly qualifies as repeatedly.
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: wingnutx]
#1753855 - 07/27/03 07:02 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Here's a case reported in the news less than a week ago (emphasis mine):
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Marine pleads guilty to raping Japanese woman on Okinawa
Associated Press
Jul. 24, 2003 07:00 AM
TOKYO - A U.S. Marine pleaded guilty Thursday to beating and raping a Japanese woman on the southern island of Okinawa two months ago, his lawyer said.
Marine Lance Cpl. Jose W. Torres, 21, faces at least three years and possibly life in prison after pleading guilty to the charge of rape resulting in injury.
Torres, whose hometown has not been released, entered his plea at the opening session of his trial at the Naha District Court, said his lawyer, Miyatomi Harushima. Torres' next court date is Aug. 13, Harushima said.
Torres attacked his 19-year-old victim during the early hours of May 25 in the Okinawan town of Kin. He was accused of punching her and breaking her nose before raping her in an alley.
Crimes involving American troops are a sensitive issue on Okinawa, where a heavy U.S. military presence long has been a source of friction with residents. Okinawa, about 1,000 miles southwest of Tokyo, is home to about half of the nearly 50,000 American troops in Japan.
The crime prompted Japan's government to call for tighter discipline among U.S. military personnel in Okinawa. American authorities handed Torres over to local police before he was formally charged in an apparent move to stem local anger.
The U.S. military normally retains custody of personnel suspected of crimes until they are indicted but can hand them over to local authorities sooner if the alleged crime is deemed serious enough.
The rape of a schoolgirl by three U.S. servicemen in 1995 sparked outrage on Okinawa and led the two countries to agree that U.S. authorities would give "sympathetic consideration" to requests for early handovers.
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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While even once is too often, once a year hardly qualifies as repeatedly.
I guess so, if your memory span is shorter than one year.
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: Edame]
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I remember the 95 case quite clearly. Those guys are still rotting in prison over there. Hopefully they'll leave in a box.
The US military unfortunately has a crime rate comparable to American society in general.
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: wingnutx]
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-I call BS. When it happens it's high-profile as hell.
you guys are fucking hilarious, seriously, do some research and educate yourselves before you talk shit. Im laughing it up here at how easily you guys play the role of the stereotypical ignorant americans.
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you guys are fucking hilarious, seriously, do some research and educate yourselves before you talk shit. Im laughing it up here at how easily you guys play the role of the stereotypical ignorant americans.
Please, prove me wrong. Show me a timeline.
I can find many, many references to the same few rapes. Since you did do your research better than I, please point me in the right direction.
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: wingnutx]
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The best I can do is reference to 'several' allegations of sexual assault and arson in 2001. Apparently there was a spike in that year, or so I infer. I find nothing that breaks it down, though.
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: wingnutx]
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well....im guessing that you cant read kanji or hiragana, correct? so you lack access to most japanese news resources, but I found this in english:
Over the past 25 years, police records indicate that 4,700 crimes have been committed by American soldiers, 110 of them sexual assaults. Of these crimes, 90% have been committed by Marines. These figures may also be grossly understated, as one psychiatrist who has worked with rape victims reports that it is typical for only one out of 20 or 30 victims to file a report.
Okinawa is the only site outside of the United States with such large numbers of Marines.
http://www.coara.or.jp/~yufukiri/n-saisyuE.html
110 sexual assaults in 25 years....thats over 4 a year.
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Thanks, I will check that out.
I'd still like to see it broken down, not just quoted as a freestanding statistic. 82% of all quoted statistics are simply made up.
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While that is an interesting editorial, that's all it is. An editorial.
Those numbers could be right, but a more official source would carry some weight.
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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It could be correct, but it reminds me of the infamous "1 in 4 American women are sexually assaulted each year" statistic, which is is scary standalone number but falls aparts badly when the methodology behind it is looked at.
That's not just an editorial, but an advertisement, according to the parent website.
Without methodology or at least some background, advocacy group provided quick-stats are very suspect.
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Time Line (Japanese)
The link above is to a site that lists only the MAJOR US military related incidents year-by-year up until 1995. It's quite an interesting read, detailing numerous cases of rape and murder. REPEATED cases of rape and murder.
You need a Japanese-capable browser to read it, as well as somebody who can read Japanese. Unfortunately, Americans are not interested enough in what's going on in Okinawa to put together a list like this in English. Even most Japanese don't want to be bothered--the only people willing to put in the legwork are the Okinawans themselves.
The facts speak for themselves. If you still wish to live in denial about the behavior of US forces overseas, suit yourselves. That's your choice, but it's a choice, and one for which there is no excuse.
Edit: fixed link
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: EchoVortex]
#1755804 - 07/28/03 10:50 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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You consider a web page in Japanese, which few Americans read or speak, to be some type of proof? 
Now, you may be right, but to expect anyone to learn Japanese to read such a site, boggles the mind.
Try some "facts" that us mere english speaking mortals can understand.
I mean come on, would you accept something written in a language you can't read as proof of anything? Give me a break.
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: EchoVortex]
#1755826 - 07/28/03 10:58 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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If I assume that each entry is one incident, then most years had one or two incidents occurring. Some years had up to five, but those are far fewer.
Any at all is abhorrent, and I hope offenders get nailed hard. The military does take this more seriously than most US civilian courts, btw. You serve the sentence handed, no time off.
I don't live in denial. Members of the military commit crimes like members of any other sector of society. They are not special in this regard. There is a military judicial system for a reason.
(btw I am trying to translate this, but so far no luck)
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: wingnutx]
#1755974 - 07/28/03 11:40 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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wingnutx said:
If I assume that each entry is one incident, then most years had one or two incidents occurring. Some years had up to five, but those are far fewer.
Any at all is abhorrent, and I hope offenders get nailed hard. The military does take this more seriously than most US civilian courts, btw. You serve the sentence handed, no time off.
I don't live in denial. Members of the military commit crimes like members of any other sector of society. They are not special in this regard. There is a military judicial system for a reason.
(btw I am trying to translate this, but so far no luck)
Babelfish
Try the link above. It will give you a machine translation that'll sound like garbled English, but will at least be partially decipherable.
While it may be true that rates of criminal activity among US service personnel are no higher than that among the average US population, the Okinawans are not the ones who chose to live among American criminals. They could move to Detroit if that's what they wanted.
If there were a massive Chinese military complex in Phoenix and their soldiers raped your sister or killed your father, would you be comforted by the fact that they were merely behaving in a way representative of the larger Chinese society? Nobody in Okinawa wants the US military there. In fact, Okinawa is itself a colony of Japan and has its own distinct culture. The central government in Tokyo has basically rammed this arrangement down their throats.
And no, military courts do not take this kind of thing more seriously than civilian courts. When an American attack plane sliced through a cable-car wire in Italy and killed something like 20 people, all because the pilot was hotdogging and violated flight rules, the military tribunal let him off easy without criminal penalty. Same thing with the submarine commander who rammed the Japanese training boat. The military protects its own. There is no way in hell those people would have gotten off that easy in a civilian court.
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: EchoVortex]
#1756001 - 07/28/03 11:48 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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its not that bad in Japan compared to Korea anyways, Ive read a statistic that american soldiers committ on average, 800 crimes a year in SK.
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: EchoVortex]
#1756012 - 07/28/03 11:51 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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And no, military courts do not take this kind of thing more seriously than civilian courts. When an American attack plane sliced through a cable-car wire in Italy and killed something like 20 people, all because the pilot was hotdogging and violated flight rules, the military tribunal let him off easy without criminal penalty. Same thing with the submarine commander who rammed the Japanese training boat. The military protects its own. There is no way in hell those people would have gotten off that easy in a civilian court.
Apples and oranges.
The pilot did not deliberately slice the cable.
The sub captain did not deliberately ram the boat.
Unless you are claiming the rapes were accidental, there is no comparison.
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: EchoVortex]
#1756017 - 07/28/03 11:51 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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While it may be true that rates of criminal activity among US service personnel are no higher than that among the average US population, the Okinawans are not the ones who chose to live among American criminals. They could move to Detroit if that's what they wanted.
I won't dispute that. I know what tensions have been like. Must suck to go from feared overlord to depending on your former foe for protection, and having to host his bases.
Okinawans weren't considered 'real' Japanese until fairly recently. They are still the Newfies of Japan.
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Probably 800, if you include misdemeanors.
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atomikfunksoldier said:
its not that bad in Japan compared to Korea anyways, Ive read a statistic that american soldiers committ on average, 800 crimes a year in SK.
800 crimes is a meaningless figure.
What would mean something is what is the crime rate per 1000 soldiers?
Is this higher or lower than the native populations crime rate?
Is it higher than the crime rate at home?
Granted, no crime would be desirable, but simply quoting a number means nothing.
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1757022 - 07/28/03 05:51 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Apples and oranges.
The pilot did not deliberately slice the cable.
The sub captain did not deliberately ram the boat.
Unless you are claiming the rapes were accidental, there is no comparison.
what comparison are you talking about?
I think he mentioned those two cases to show that the military protects its own, in response to wingnutx saying "The military does take this more seriously than most US civilian courts"
in those cases a civlian court would have most likely found them guilty of criminal negligence.
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: infidelGOD]
#1757057 - 07/28/03 06:02 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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what comparison are you talking about?
I fully understand what he said.
Saying the military looks after their own because of the verdict in those cases is not a valid comparison.
Those were accidents. Rape is a deliberate act.
To expect a verdict as relates to an accident to be equivalent to one for a deliberate act, is not at all realistic.
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1757496 - 07/28/03 08:38 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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800 crimes is meaningless? ha! okay, how about china sets up a military base in your home town and chinese soldiers start committing 800 crimes a year (including murder and rape) and lets see how meaningless it is to you, fuckin hypocrite.
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You always miss the point?
What I said was the way you used the number is meaningless which is why I said the ratio is an important number.
Saying that the 800 crimes works out to 1.2 crimes per 1000 soldiers per year would be an informative number.
Saying something like that's 3 times more or 4 times less that the rate for that countries citizens is a number that means something.
Saying that there were 746 traffic violations, 34 muggings, 14 shoplifting charges, and 6 rapes would tell us something.
Just saying 800 crimes means nothing.
Clear enough for you now?
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Re: Japan Votes to Send Troops to Iraq [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1759227 - 07/29/03 09:41 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Since the topic has shifted to the use of the generic term 'crime', I would like to point out that this is a web site that exists to further criminal activity.
That said, of course people always resent foreigners committing crimes more than natives.
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