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Zenlykos
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LC jars - self healing lids
#17480561 - 01/01/13 11:31 AM (12 years, 17 days ago) |
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Self-healing Injection point lids
Materials:
12 Ball wide mouth pint jars w/lids & bands 1 hour rain ready silicon sealant (clear) 1/8" drill bit electric drill
Method:
This is the method that I use. It has worked for me, and is both easy and cost effective. Take the jars as they are packaged and drill an 1/8 inch hole in the center. (if you are planning on doing PF styles cakes you can make four holes or as many as you'd like) Once the holes are drilled, invert the lids so that the rubber seal is facing up. Sealing from this side allows you to cover up the rough burrs the drill created and reduce the chance of rust formation.
To apply sealant, put the tip appx a 1/6in to 1/8in above the center of the hole and squeeze until the sealant creates a 1/4in blob. Use the tip of the sealant tube to swirl the sealant. This will help ensure it stays in place.
Flip the lids back into there original position and you will notice that a small amount of the sealant has pushed through the hole. Use this sealant to create a nice smooth injection point. The flatter you can get the injection site, the better.
On a very important note, when you are pressure cooking these jars with LC or Spawn or whatever, first tighten the lids all the way down, RUBBER SIDE DOWN, and then loosen a 1/4 turn. This will allow the gas to escape. You do not want jars exploding in your PC. Once the jars have cooled to handling temperature, you can re tighten the bands. One of the older ways of PC'ing jars, says to use the rubber side up for whatever reasons. DO NOT use the rubber side up. You will not have as tight of a seal for LC and can cause contamination when creating a vacuum from sucking up LC. Air will leak past that edge and ruin a perfectly good LC. Also the metal lid will rust when exposed to the water in whatever you are using the jar for. This will significantly reduce the recycling capabilities of these lids/Bands, and makes cleaning the jars a hassle. The whole point of spending this time and effort is to reduce the amount of effort necessary in the long run.
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Re: LC jars - self healing lids [Re: Zenlykos]
#17480619 - 01/01/13 11:47 AM (12 years, 17 days ago) |
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So you make 1 hole with only a RTV port and no way for gas to exit the jar?
Also with a loose lid when you open the PC doesn't it allow for possible contams to enter?
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Re: LC jars - self healing lids [Re: zMan]
#17480623 - 01/01/13 11:49 AM (12 years, 17 days ago) |
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Poking 4 holes in a lid and using a dry verm layer seems pretty easy to me.
This seems a lot more complicated than it needs to be for PF Tek.
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Re: LC jars - self healing lids [Re: zMan]
#17480672 - 01/01/13 12:01 PM (12 years, 17 days ago) |
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zMan, having just the injection ports is fine. with a pint jar LC having proper GE is unnecessary and just opens up another route for contams.
as for having the lids loose, you always cover your jar tops with tin foil just to be extra safe. I use salon tin foil squares actually. perfect size and they come in a box of 800+. no need to tear tinfoil anymore.
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Re: LC jars - self healing lids [Re: PussyFart]
#17480695 - 01/01/13 12:07 PM (12 years, 17 days ago) |
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these jar setups are for PF, grain, LC, whatever you need. Using this lid setup reduces contams to almost nothing. I don't even use a glove box or flame sterilization with these lids. just swab the port with 90% alcohol and stick your syringe in. with these and PF tek you dont need to worry about having a 1/2in gap and keeping the glass clean. you are able to use the full volume of the jar, and as long as you PC correctly, it foolproof.
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Re: LC jars - self healing lids [Re: Zenlykos]
#17480705 - 01/01/13 12:11 PM (12 years, 17 days ago) |
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Re: LC jars - self healing lids [Re: Zenlykos]
#17480706 - 01/01/13 12:12 PM (12 years, 17 days ago) |
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Why would a SFD open another route for a contam? Their purpose is to keep the contams out, they wouldn't work very well if they didn't do that right?
I think initially you may be ok with no GE but the longer that stays in there the more chance you have of having cobweb grow or other molds.
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Re: LC jars - self healing lids [Re: Zenlykos]
#17480712 - 01/01/13 12:14 PM (12 years, 17 days ago) |
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Quote:
Zenlykos said: these jar setups are for PF, grain, LC, whatever you need. Using this lid setup reduces contams to almost nothing. I don't even use a glove box or flame sterilization with these lids. just swab the port with 90% alcohol and stick your syringe in. with these and PF tek you dont need to worry about having a 1/2in gap and keeping the glass clean. you are able to use the full volume of the jar, and as long as you PC correctly, it foolproof.
70% alcohol is better than 90% for this hobby.
Not arguing the fact that it doesn't work, but regular PF Tek jars with exposed holes and a dry verm layer can be inoculated in open air with success as well.
And I understand that this is not just for PF-tEK
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Edited by PussyFart (01/01/13 12:15 PM)
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Re: LC jars - self healing lids [Re: zMan]
#17480725 - 01/01/13 12:20 PM (12 years, 17 days ago) |
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SFD?
If your GE port gets wet, contams will creep through to your sub/LC. also, pint jars have enough O2 present without a GE port to acheive 100% colonization. also cob web or any other type of mold or contam will not grow because it can not get in. period. the only chance of having a jar fail is if you introduce contams on purpose, or if you did not PC long enough. IF you PC these correctly they can be stored for later use indefinitely. they will never go bad.
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Re: LC jars - self healing lids [Re: Zenlykos]
#17480729 - 01/01/13 12:21 PM (12 years, 17 days ago) |
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SFD = Synthetic Filter Disc
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Re: LC jars - self healing lids [Re: Zenlykos]
#17480753 - 01/01/13 12:26 PM (12 years, 17 days ago) |
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I've never sen any reference to 70% compared to 90% except when it comes to extraction of psilocin. but thanks for the advice. any specific reason why though?
as for good old fashion verm layer/PF Tek it is great and definitely has its place.
I prefer to have all of my lids to be this way so I can use old LC jars for PF tek BRF and vice versa depending on what I need. its a convenience.
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Re: LC jars - self healing lids [Re: PussyFart]
#17480763 - 01/01/13 12:27 PM (12 years, 17 days ago) |
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Gotcha, Yeah even with SFD's if you get moisture on the filter, contams crawl right in. its a pain in the ass.
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Re: LC jars - self healing lids [Re: Zenlykos]
#17480772 - 01/01/13 12:29 PM (12 years, 17 days ago) |
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Quote:
Zenlykos said: I've never sen any reference to 70% compared to 90% except when it comes to extraction of psilocin. but thanks for the advice. any specific reason why though?
This is because you have not done enough research, you my friend need to read more, read until your eyes bleed, and then you will have just begun. 
70% is better because of the extra water content, this helps penetrate cell walls faster and better, making sanitation more successful.
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Edited by PussyFart (01/01/13 12:30 PM)
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Zenlykos
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Re: LC jars - self healing lids [Re: PussyFart]
#17480783 - 01/01/13 12:33 PM (12 years, 17 days ago) |
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damn it... I remember reading that now. lol. in the same posting about extraction too. thanks
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Re: LC jars - self healing lids [Re: Zenlykos]
#17480787 - 01/01/13 12:34 PM (12 years, 17 days ago) |
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Zenlykos , how many successful grows have you had, using your lids? How many times have you tried?
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I've had three separate grows with PF, 4 WBS, and 4 LC batches. all have had amazing results, except for maybe 3 contamed jars out of over 100. all have hit 100% within 3 weeks max from initial growth. less time with LC knocked jars.
I've tried a large number of different methods, but this has been by far the easiest.
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Re: LC jars - self healing lids [Re: Zenlykos]
#17481273 - 01/01/13 02:22 PM (12 years, 17 days ago) |
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Quote:
Zenlykos said: here are the pictures

These lids after pcing will have a vacuum in them.
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Re: LC jars - self healing lids [Re: budmanman]
#17481370 - 01/01/13 02:41 PM (12 years, 17 days ago) |
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While a LC does not really need any GE, you still want a hole for one. Why?
Vacuum purposes during PC'ing. But also for when you use your syringes. You are just going to create even more of a vacuum and have a hard time pulling the plunger back. Eventually air will find its way in, and then it will be contaminated.
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Re: LC jars - self healing lids [Re: Citric]
#17481427 - 01/01/13 02:54 PM (12 years, 17 days ago) |
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yes, those lids will create vacuum during the PC process. When Inoculating a LC you need to aspirate the jar first with a needle/syringe body packed with alcohol soaked cotton balls. this will allow you to remove the vacuum.
also, to keep vacuum from forming, and to keep the LC growing after it has run out of nutrients I fill a 10cc syringe with 4% light karo and water mix, PC for 20 at 15psi. once it has cooled I inject the karo water into the LC and then suck up LC into the syringe. this way the LC can continue to grow and the syringe with LC in it has been sterilized during the Karo water PC'ing. Eventually you will introduce contams, but not before getting way more than your moneys worth out of it.
What do you mean GE hole? I only create on hole and that is for the silicon port.
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Re: LC jars - self healing lids [Re: Zenlykos]
#17481442 - 01/01/13 03:00 PM (12 years, 17 days ago) |
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Quote:
Zenlykos said: yes, those lids will create vacuum during the PC process. When Inoculating a LC you need to aspirate the jar first with a needle/syringe body packed with alcohol soaked cotton balls. this will allow you to remove the vacuum.
also, to keep vacuum from forming, and to keep the LC growing after it has run out of nutrients I fill a 10cc syringe with 4% light karo and water mix, PC for 20 at 15psi. once it has cooled I inject the karo water into the LC and then suck up LC into the syringe. this way the LC can continue to grow and the syringe with LC in it has been sterilized during the Karo water PC'ing. Eventually you will introduce contams, but not before getting way more than your moneys worth out of it.
What do you mean GE hole? I only create on hole and that is for the silicon port.
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