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Re: XTC lab busted in Wellington [Re: empty space]
#17448575 - 12/25/12 10:11 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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MDMA is an amphetamine and a phenethylamine and because of this amphetamine is a phenethylamine. alpha-methylphenethylamine
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Fair enough. Still:
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What is so serious about MDMA? Why 21? Why not 18? Why not 30?
Why would you rather have your 16 year old daughter eat shrooms than ecstasy? Why are natural drugs better than synthetic drugs?
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Re: XTC lab busted in Wellington [Re: empty space]
#17448613 - 12/25/12 10:22 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's okay, it's an easy mistake. If you really want to learn about MDMA i recommend pihkal.
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Re: XTC lab busted in Wellington [Re: empty space]
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What is so serious about MDMA? Why 21? Why not 18? Why not 30?
Why would you rather have your 16 year old daughter eat shrooms than ecstasy? Why are natural drugs better than synthetic drugs?
Because shrooms have never killed anyone and xtc has (excluding idiots walking infront of cars). That makes them 2 completly different creatures to me. And the age is arbitrary, I just think a person should be past all the kid shit before they do adult things. to me thats at around 21
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Re: XTC lab busted in Wellington [Re: Grumpyorc]
#17449824 - 12/26/12 09:38 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Grumpyorc said: Because shrooms have never killed anyone and xtc has (excluding idiots walking infront of cars). That makes them 2 completly different creatures to me. And the age is arbitrary, I just think a person should be past all the kid shit before they do adult things. to me thats at around 21
I'd say it's around age 28 for most males to get over the kid mentality and want to settle down (my experience). But then what's the point? lmao Experimenting is part of being a kid, not a "responsible" adult. Have I settled into a life of being an occasional recreational drug user? Does that mean I'm not over the kid stage?
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Re: XTC lab busted in Wellington [Re: Ellis Dee]
#17452070 - 12/26/12 07:23 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Grumpyorc said: Because shrooms have never killed anyone and xtc has (excluding idiots walking infront of cars). That makes them 2 completly different creatures to me. And the age is arbitrary, I just think a person should be past all the kid shit before they do adult things. to me thats at around 21
I'd say it's around age 28 for most males to get over the kid mentality and want to settle down (my experience). But then what's the point? lmao Experimenting is part of being a kid, not a "responsible" adult. Have I settled into a life of being an occasional recreational drug user? Does that mean I'm not over the kid stage? 
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HybridprX said: The only time kids get their hands on drugs like X is when irresponsible manufactures have a "scrap" on their lines.
If my son or daughter we're 18 to 21 and wanted to experience mdma then that would be fine....Mdma and Ecstasy are both habit forming drugs my friend, Ive done enough of it to know.
It's every ones responsibility to make sure that the supplier is not handing out Ecstasy indiscriminately. If you think its ok to give anyone below the age of majority (18) here, there is something seriously wrong.
For example, this guys dad use to give his son cocaine/Ecstasy, have him invite over girls from school and then film their having sex while in a drug induced state.... This is my point, not much else....if you're ok with stuff like that, lets talk face to face sometime 
So because dude's dad is a pedophile it's the drugs that are bad!?
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So because mushrooms are natural that means they are completely safe and of no consequence.... you're just a fucking idiot... BTW there's this little button at the bottom of the box you typed that idiocy in... SPELL CHECK, you ignorant fuck.
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Grumpyorc said: just to thow this out there i agree with hybridprx i mean XTC is like blowjobs, you know your daughter is probably gonna do it but that doesnt mean you have to be happy about it. its a do as i say not as i do kinda thing. and IMO XTC is serious enough that noone under 21 should EVER do it, and then only with trusted friends and not some random thug guy. I mean its an amphetamine not a natural hallucanagin. If I had a daighter and she was like 16 and wanted to shroom id be cool with it but man synthetic drugs are an all together different creature. thats not to say i dont see where your coming from Rail_gun I just think your tone may change if you had to help raise a kid. But im assuming alot by saying that i think we can all agree these subtances can be realativly harmless when dolled out by the right people, done at the proper dose, at the proper age, and in the right environment these are all factors of course that are impossible to get together when you have roaming bastards with guns and badges harrasing them and forcing them to hide it
Kids experiment and like to have fun. You can't stop it. Accept it and go for harm reduction. Abstinence only and just say no never work. Honesty in education does work and reduces harm caused by otherwise risky behavior. That's where I'm coming from. Regards.
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Grumpyorc said: just to thow this out there i agree with hybridprx i mean XTC is like blowjobs, you know your daughter is probably gonna do it but that doesnt mean you have to be happy about it. its a do as i say not as i do kinda thing. and IMO XTC is serious enough that noone under 21 should EVER do it, and then only with trusted friends and not some random thug guy. I mean its an amphetamine not a natural hallucanagin. If I had a daighter and she was like 16 and wanted to shroom id be cool with it but man synthetic drugs are an all together different creature. thats not to say i dont see where your coming from Rail_gun I just think your tone may change if you had to help raise a kid. But im assuming alot by saying that i think we can all agree these subtances can be realativly harmless when dolled out by the right people, done at the proper dose, at the proper age, and in the right environment these are all factors of course that are impossible to get together when you have roaming bastards with guns and badges harrasing them and forcing them to hide it
MDMA is a phenethylamine, not an amphetamine.
What is so serious about MDMA? Why 21? Why not 18? Why not 30?
Why would you rather have your 16 year old daughter eat shrooms than ecstasy? Why are natural drugs better than synthetic drugs?
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Cognitive_Shift said: MDMA is an amphetamine and a phenethylamine and because of this amphetamine is a phenethylamine. alpha-methylphenethylamine
Educate yourself!
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Re: XTC lab busted in Wellington [Re: luckytriple6]
#17474428 - 12/30/12 11:36 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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"So because mushrooms are natural that means they are completely safe and of no consequence.... you're just a fucking idiot... BTW there's this little button at the bottom of the box you typed that idiocy in... SPELL CHECK, you ignorant fuck."
What an asshole. Im sorry my opinion doesnt coorolate with yours. also i dont really care if i misspell words on a fucking internet forum. sorry to offend you PROFFESSOR. and if you havd ever tried either of these substances you would know there is a significant difference. and if you have tried them then your just an idiot yourself. your probably just some junkie offended by the fact that i dont accept your trashy drug the same way i do an organism that grows out of the earth. way to enter a discussion, by calling people ignortant fucks. you just show your own stupidity. while i normally save it for people in the cultivation forum (the only part of this site that matters) 0 shrooms for you for being a total asshole
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Re: XTC lab busted in Wellington [Re: Grumpyorc]
#17474471 - 12/30/12 11:44 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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"So because mushrooms are natural that means they are completely safe and of no consequence"
Yes becasue there is not once documented case of HDDP or death from mushrooms and XTC has killed people. Simple fact. Go read a book
edit- also im not saying its ok for kids to do drugs. but so long as they are going to rebel and do them anyway its better for them to do natural onesw IMO. read my previous posts
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Re: XTC lab busted in Wellington [Re: Grumpyorc]
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Grumpyorc said: "So because mushrooms are natural that means they are completely safe and of no consequence"
Yes becasue there is not once documented case of HDDP or death from mushrooms and XTC has killed people. Simple fact. Go read a book
edit- also im not saying its ok for kids to do drugs. but so long as they are going to rebel and do them anyway its better for them to do natural onesw IMO. read my previous posts
The part I bolded and struck is just not true. There are definatly deaths from shrooms, especially the wood lovers when people think they'll do a "heroic" dose. The death isn't from psilocybin/psilocin but from other toxics present in the shrooms. I've never heard of a death from cubes though. If you just search around this site you can get some reports of people who got pretty ill from normal doses of some of the wood lover actives.
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Re: XTC lab busted in Wellington [Re: Ellis Dee]
#17474561 - 12/31/12 12:04 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Grumpyorc said: "So because mushrooms are natural that means they are completely safe and of no consequence"
Yes becasue there is not once documented case of HDDP or death from mushrooms and XTC has killed people. Simple fact. Go read a book
edit- also im not saying its ok for kids to do drugs. but so long as they are going to rebel and do them anyway its better for them to do natural onesw IMO. read my previous posts
The part I bolded and struck is just not true. There are definatly deaths from shrooms, especially the wood lovers when people think they'll do a "heroic" dose. The death isn't from psilocybin/psilocin but from other toxics present in the shrooms. I've never heard of a death from cubes though. If you just search around this site you can get some reports of people who got pretty ill from normal doses of some of the wood lover actives.
Ahh well I stand corrected. That being said Iv known people who have eaten an ounce and woken up just fine. You eat an equivalent dose of XTC with no tolerance and your ass is grass. Again Im just saying that XTC is obviously more dangerous than shrooms. Its my opinion sure but I feel like iv done enough of both to come to that conclusion. Also street shrooms are almost always cubes, and there are inherit dangers with shroom hunting anyway. I wouldnt support a kid going out and trying wild shrooms. and AGAIN im NOT cool with a kid trying ANY drug, just id much rather them do shrooms then xtc also, and i havent brought it up, but xtc lowers inhibitions. you can do some pretty stupid stuff on it. same can be said of shrooms but generally you just sit on the couch and laugh. I dont know of any blowjob parties to come out of shrooms. but iv seen em happen on xtc..... not complaining
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Re: XTC lab busted in Wellington [Re: Ellis Dee]
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Rail_Gun said: There are definatly deaths from shrooms, especially the wood lovers when people think they'll do a "heroic" dose. The death isn't from psilocybin/psilocin but from other toxics present in the shrooms.
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16459123
I have a second hand report from a guy I used to smoke weed with about his friend that ended up in the icu after eating some woodlovers. I suspect there are toxins present that normally have little to no effect but when taken in a massive dose is built up enough to kill.
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Re: XTC lab busted in Wellington [Re: Ellis Dee]
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I think the toxins in woodlovers are just lots of psilocybin.
The thread you linked doesn't show anyone dying.
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I know, but the hand paralysis and numbness is kinda scary. That's the kind of adverse reaction I've heard about with the woodies. I wouldn't take a large dose of any wood lover, only normal tripping doses.
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Re: XTC lab busted in Wellington [Re: Ellis Dee]
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Rail_Gun said: I know, but the hand paralysis and numbness is kinda scary. That's the kind of adverse reaction I've heard about with the woodies. I wouldn't take a large dose of any wood lover, only normal tripping doses.
taking a "heroic" dose of anything is pretty ballzy. iv eaten 8 grams of cubes with no side effects and I thought that was pretty heroic. take a massive dose of xtc and your in for a heart attack. oh ya and i would actually like to see some links to some confirmed deaths from shrooms
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Re: XTC lab busted in Wellington [Re: Grumpyorc] 1
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WTF man? MDMA is ultra-safe. The only time kids die off MDMA is when they are super-dehydrated to begin with or drink too much booze along with it. That shroom shit makes your brain bleed and only works because it poisons you. Educate yourself!
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Re: XTC lab busted in Wellington [Re: Grumpyorc]
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Grumpyorc said: "So because mushrooms are natural that means they are completely safe and of no consequence"
Yes becasue there is not once documented case of HDDP or death from mushrooms and XTC has killed people. Simple fact. Go read a book
edit- also im not saying its ok for kids to do drugs. but so long as they are going to rebel and do them anyway its better for them to do natural onesw IMO. read my previous posts
Really, no HPPD... No documented cases!? I have HPPD, the psychiatrist called it HID, though, Hallucinogen Induced Disorder, same thing different name.
Just because you can't die from psylocybin mushrooms doesn't mean you can't have a bad reaction or "overdose" and take way more than you needed/wanted. I grew mushrooms for about six years and dosed and cared for many people. I've had people freak out one and be completely uncomfortable till I manages to talk them down.
My best friend started reading about mushrooms after I started growing and said he wanted to trip hard, that he wanted to eat 7 grams of mushrooms... his first time. I gave him a half eighth and told him we'd work up to 7g if he handled himself. He was confused all night very uncomfortable and thought I was the devil. He told me if I didn't leave he was going to fight me.
I convinced him I should stay but that I would stay out of the room he was in and that I would only check on him occasionally. Thankfully he agreed when I said I would leave in a few hours. Let me tell you, I'd have gotten my ass beat if a fight happened, he had studied some praying mantis kung fu for a long time... He didn't look like much as he was tall and skinny, but he was/is solid muscle...
The next day when I talked to him I got a thank you and he said he'd never talk mushrooms again. He was grateful I wouldn't give him the seven grams he wanted, so don't tell me bad shit can't doesn't happen on natural substances.
From Wikipedia: Panic reactions can occur after consumption of psilocybin-containing mushrooms, especially if the ingestion is accidental or otherwise unexpected. Reactions characterized by violence, aggression, homicidal and suicidal attempts, prolonged schizophrenia-like psychosis, and convulsions have been reported in the literature. A 2005 survey conducted in the United Kingdom found that almost a quarter of those who had used psilocybin mushrooms in the past year had experienced a panic attack. Other adverse effects less frequently reported include paranoia, confusion, derealization, disconnection from reality, and mania. Psilocybin usage can temporarily induce a state of depersonalization disorder. Usage by those with schizophrenia can induce acute psychotic states requiring hospitalization. The similarity of psilocybin-induced symptoms to those of schizophrenia has made the drug a useful research tool in behavioral and neuroimaging studies of this psychotic disorder. In both cases, psychotic symptoms are thought to arise from a "deficient gating of sensory and cognitive information" in the brain that ultimately lead to "cognitive fragmentation and psychosis". Flashbacks (spontaneous recurrences of a previous psilocybin experience) can occur long after having used psilocybin mushrooms. Hallucinogen persisting perception disorder (HPPD) is characterized by a continual presence of visual disturbances similar to those generated by psychedelic substances. Neither flashbacks nor HPPD are commonly associated with psilocybin usage, and correlations between HPPD and psychedelics are further obscured by polydrug use and other variables.
Natural doesn't mean safe; anthrax, arsenic, and cyanide are all natural... why don't you go eat some since its natural...
Of all the times I've taken MDMA the worst thing I've ever been a company to was people vomiting from either taking too much or from drink booze with it. I'm sorry to rant like this but it's thinking like yours that ruins it for the rest of us, more people need to speak up and correct "facts" that are really wrong.
I'm not sorry I called you a fucking idiot, I wouldn't take it back, but I guess I was being quite frank... and an asshole, which I am most of the time, so I'm sorry I'm an asshole is what I'm sorry for.
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Lord_McLovin said: WTF man? MDMA is ultra-safe. The only time kids die off MDMA is when they are super-dehydrated to begin with or drink too much booze along with it. That shroom shit makes your brain bleed and only works because it poisons you. Educate yourself!
I do agree about the MDMA... but not about the bleedind brain thing.
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Grumpyorc said: "So because mushrooms are natural that means they are completely safe and of no consequence"
Yes becasue there is not once documented case of HDDP or death from mushrooms and XTC has killed people. Simple fact. Go read a book
edit- also im not saying its ok for kids to do drugs. but so long as they are going to rebel and do them anyway its better for them to do natural onesw IMO. read my previous posts
The part I bolded and struck is just not true. There are definatly deaths from shrooms, especially the wood lovers when people think they'll do a "heroic" dose. The death isn't from psilocybin/psilocin but from other toxics present in the shrooms. I've never heard of a death from cubes though. If you just search around this site you can get some reports of people who got pretty ill from normal doses of some of the wood lover actives.
Ahh well I stand corrected. That being said Iv known people who have eaten an ounce and woken up just fine. You eat an equivalent dose of XTC with no tolerance and your ass is grass. Again Im just saying that XTC is obviously more dangerous than shrooms. Its my opinion sure but I feel like iv done enough of both to come to that conclusion. Also street shrooms are almost always cubes, and there are inherit dangers with shroom hunting anyway. I wouldnt support a kid going out and trying wild shrooms. and AGAIN im NOT cool with a kid trying ANY drug, just id much rather them do shrooms then xtc also, and i havent brought it up, but xtc lowers inhibitions. you can do some pretty stupid stuff on it. same can be said of shrooms but generally you just sit on the couch and laugh. I dont know of any blowjob parties to come out of shrooms. but iv seen em happen on xtc..... not complaining 
Who the fuck is gonna eat an OZ of mdma, that'd be an expensive death.
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Re: XTC lab busted in Wellington [Re: Lord_McLovin]
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Lord_McLovin said: WTF man? MDMA is ultra-safe. The only time kids die off MDMA is when they are super-dehydrated to begin with or drink too much booze along with it. That shroom shit makes your brain bleed and only works because it poisons you. Educate yourself!
Dying becasue you were already dehydradted is still dying and the rest of that is a load of garbage
and luckytrip if I dont have HDDP from mushrooms you dont either. There were times when my irrisponsible ass would eat them every night for a week. Iv been tripping on them commonly for years (well not for a month or so now since I got busted with pot) and Im perfectly fine. as for your kung fu buddy having a bad trip thats too bad. Iv had friends have bad trips too. I'v seen them react very poorly. Personally I can contgrol a bad trip and sit it out without freaking out too bad. They all were ok in the end tho. Turn on the lights, turn the music off, smoke a bowl and they will mellow out. I was in a room when a guy on xtc had a heart attack and they had to call an ambulence. I had warrents out so I had to run out the back and hop the fence and take off. One of the scariest moments of my life. Perhaps the xtc had some other substance in it, I dunno, this is Texas and dealers here are generally shitheads so its very possible. Im really not trying to talk shit about XTC. Ill do some right now. Its alot of fun. The origional discussion was about letting your kid try drugs, and I simply stated that I wouldnt be pissed if they tried shrooms but I wouldnt like them doing xtc. If your cool with your kids doing xtc thats your buisness. It certainly isnt as bad as meth, heroin, or crack. Used responsibly it is completely harmless yes, I agree with that, but unless your there your leaving that up to a bunch of uneducated, unexperienced kids, and I feel like mushrooms are more forgiving. As a kid I would never FATHOM asking my mother how much XTC I should take. Admittidly a first timer trying an 8th of cubes is probably gonna freak the fuck out. And I suppose that could happen to your kid but intelligent people dont generally jump in the pool headfirst in the shallow end. As for your friends "mantis style" if you ever get into it with him just front kick him in the nuts, or use a strong jab, not an outside punch. Fancy shit in a fight gets you beat. youll win. Also at the root of my opinion is synthetics vs naturals. I dont trust synthetic drugs. Period. I wont take loratabs, even when I tore my ACL. I dont think they are good for you. I just dont. Anyway if I ever have a teenager and they want to try xtc i would discourage it but I tried it when I was 16 (and again like 800 times lol) and im normal. I never died. And I used to eat 5-7 at a time. But as mentioned earlier Iv seen it go pretty bad. Mushrooms never did that with me. and to repeat again. Im not saying XTC is the devil, I just think a person should wait until thier mind is more stable than that of a teenager to try it
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Re: XTC lab busted in Wellington [Re: Grumpyorc]
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A oz of MDMA would kill anyone and render superman in the I.C.U.
And I never said MDMA was a bad drug, it has helped me deal with PTSD significantly. What I was saying in my previous posts is that MDMA (like any drug) should not be given to people who will knowingly miss use it by providing minors with doses so that the dealer can get his rocks off.
That is why I was saying that the bags of shit letting anyone sling their product are a bunch of fuck ups for not controlling their lines. (Who they provide it to) then some punk kid gets a oz and begins using it as a power grip on people rather then focusing on the $ value. But as I said, thats with just about any drug, all they are is a means for people to control others, no such thing as living in the free world now days.
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