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InvisibleXlea321
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Re: Here you go: [Re: wingnutx]
    #1744324 - 07/24/03 10:38 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I am replying to two people who believe Entebbe was easier than taking on a cripple and a 14 year old in a villa.

You're right - it's time to give up.


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Re: Here you go: [Re: wingnutx]
    #1744398 - 07/24/03 11:06 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Yep, you just lost this one Alex. When you site an example, and everythng you say about it wrong, you lose.

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Re: Here you go: [Re: shakta]
    #1744423 - 07/24/03 11:17 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Well lets put it to a vote!


Did alex win the argument?
His logic and resoning was flawless!...YES.
He repeats the same shit without listening to anything...NO!




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Re: Saddams sons killed in "gun-battle"? [Re: wingnutx]
    #1744702 - 07/24/03 01:15 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

regarding the states selling them weapons.. They didn't directly but they sold the chemicals to france who sold them to Iraq.. The United States also sat back and watched them use them for a good ten years before they decided that genocide was a bad thing..

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Re: Saddams sons killed in "gun-battle"? [Re: Bhairabas]
    #1744721 - 07/24/03 01:21 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

The United States also sat back and watched them use them for a good ten years before they decided that genocide was a bad thing..

Ssshhh..you're not supposed to say that.

If you say that it means you must *hate america*  :rolleyes:


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Re: Saddams sons killed in "gun-battle"? [Re: Bhairabas]
    #1744735 - 07/24/03 01:26 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Here are a few more articles, the first one (from the Washington Post) says that the troops didn't even know who they were fighting inside the house.

The second (from the NY Times) has the US defending their decision to storm the house rather than lay seige (The article is 3 pages long so I won't post it here though).

Quote:

Troops Didn't Know Brothers Were in Villa

By NIKO PRICE and JAMIE TARABAY
The Associated Press
Wednesday, July 23, 2003; 10:10 PM

MOSUL, Iraq - It was 10 a.m. when the four Humvees pulled up outside the handsome villa on Shalalat Street and disgorged a party of U.S. soldiers. Over a bullhorn, they told the occupants to come out with their hands up.

What followed was a firefight from the ground and air that reduced the comfortable villa to a smoking hulk. And only then did the troops find out how high the stakes had been: Their targets, they discovered, were Saddam Hussein's sons Odai and Qusai, second in power only to their father.

The raid was a "turning point" in the campaign against Iraq's deposed regime, the commander of coalition forces in Iraq, Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, said Wednesday in Baghdad. President Bush said it would help convince Iraqis that Saddam's regime is over for good.

But soldiers who participated in the raid said they didn't know what they were getting into when they headed out to the wealthy al-Falah neighborhood in the northern city of Mosul on Tuesday morning.

The night before, an unidentified Iraqi had tipped off the Americans that Odai and Qusai were in the house, Sanchez said afterward. But all Sgt. George Granter knew on that blistering hot Tuesday morning was that intelligence was reporting the house was occupied by Baath Party members.

"They heard high guys, but they didn't know how high," said Granter, of Merrillville, Ind., an engineer with the 326 Battalion of the 101st Airborne Division who took part in the battle.

The action that played out on the wide boulevard lined with villas, shops and a mosque began like countless others across occupied Iraq: with orders in Arabic to surrender.

"The intent is always to ask the people to come out voluntarily," said Col. Joe Anderson, commander of the 101st's 2nd Brigade.

The owner of the house, Sheik Nawaf al-Zaydan Muhhamad, walked out with his son Shalan, their hands on their heads, and were whisked away by troops, neighbors said Wednesday.

The other occupants were less cooperative. So after 10 minutes troops tried to enter the building. From the fortified middle floor of the three-floor building came Kalashnikov fire, raking the troops and wounding four of them. The Americans fell back to regroup and reinforcements were summoned.

Soldiers fanned out in the neighborhood and evacuated families from surrounding houses, said Maj. Greg Ebeling of the 101st's 926 Engineer Group.

By 10:45, reinforcements had arrived, and the Americans began firing machine guns, grenades and rockets, Sanchez said. The area was surrounded so "there was no rush," the general said.

Witnesses said beige and maroon tiles popped from the garish facade, and dust flew from the concrete columns. Still, gunfire rattled back from the mansion.

Just before noon, two Kiowa helicopters skimmed in over the rooftops, and rockets streaked into the villa. More and more troops poured into the neighborhood, witnesses said, until about 200 were surrounding the house.

It was their fire from the ground that proved decisive: .50-caliber machine guns, grenade launchers, then TOW missiles that blew out windows, cratered walls and killed Saddam's sons and a bodyguard, Sanchez said.

At 1:21 p.m. soldiers stormed the wrecked mansion. They rushed up the stairs and shot the final holdout, apparently Qusai's teenage son Mustafa.

On the floor where Saddam's sons had chosen to make their last stand lay clothes, bloodstained bedding, a Pepsi can and a box of Mars Bars.

"It began as gunfire and then it became a battle," said Nasser Hazim, who lives around the corner from the villa.

The person who tipped the Americans off to the hide-out is in protective custody, his identity a secret, U.S. authorities said.

Neighbors, however, suspect the tipster was Muhhamad, the house owner, who obeyed the surrender call. They said his wife and four daughters left the house several hours before the raid.

"There is a big question mark there. Did they know something would happen, or was it a coincidence?" said Nasser Hazim's brother, Ahmed. Anderson fueled the rumor when he was asked why the tipster was in protective custody.

"People know who owns the house, so that's a factor," he said.

He refused, however, to say whether Muhhamad, whom Iraqis said was a cousin of Saddam, was the tipster. If he was, he will apparently be entitled to a reward from the U.S. government of $15 million for each of Saddam's sons.

Ahmad Chalabi, a delegate from Iraq's Governing Council and longtime opponent of Saddam, said for former Iraqi dictator's tribe had always denied that Muhhamad was a cousin.

Muhhamad's ties to Saddam cut two ways - making him rich, but causing him personal grief. Saddam threw Muhhamad's elder brother in jail, reportedly over a tribal disagreement, but released him 18 months into a 17-year sentence.

As the bodies of Odai, 39, and Qusai, 37, were taken to Baghdad International Airport to be flown out of the country, several hundred people gathered outside the razor wire surrounding their still-smoking hide-out Wednesday, chanting pro-Saddam slogans.

"This is terrorism! They are killers!" screamed Saad Badr, a 50-year-old taxi driver who was pressed so close to the razor wire that his left toe was bleeding.

"Americans are unbelievers, and Saddam Hussein is a Muslim. This makes me even more angry at the Americans," said 14-year-old Mohammed Qassem, to a chorus of agreement from the crowd.

The protesters dispersed without incident after the Americans trucked in several dozen Iraqis in civilian clothes and armed with wooden clubs. They seemed friendly and their presence was enough to disperse the crowd as the call to prayers went up from the nearby mosque.

As psychological operations specialists combed the gutted house, Army engineers examined neighboring houses that suffered damage in the raid, and promised over loudspeakers to repair them.

Several troops guarding the area appeared relaxed, taking snapshots of the villa from the gunners' positions of Humvees.

"This makes me feel great," Granter said as he gazed at the destruction. But already, he was looking ahead to the biggest prize of all.

"Saddam, he's the big one," he said. "If we can get him, we can go home."




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In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience.

And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him.

"Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.

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Re: Saddams sons killed in "gun-battle"? [Re: Edame]
    #1744775 - 07/24/03 01:37 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

"Americans are unbelievers, and Saddam Hussein is a Muslim. This makes me even more angry at the Americans," said 14-year-old Mohammed Qassem, to a chorus of agreement from the crowd.




Yeah, it must be very painful for some "believers" to wake up and face the real world where non-Muslims are not always inferior.

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InvisibleXlea321
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Re: Saddams sons killed in "gun-battle"? [Re: Edame]
    #1744788 - 07/24/03 01:40 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

"Saddam, he's the big one," he said. "If we can get him, we can go home."

I think this kid has got one helluva wake-up call coming. He's going to be there years after Saddam is killed...after having had every opportunity to give himself up of course..


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Re: Saddams sons killed in "gun-battle"? [Re: Xlea321]
    #1744797 - 07/24/03 01:42 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Actually they will be coming home, since we will be rotating most of our forces as long as we are there, just like we did after the last war.

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Re: Saddams sons killed in "gun-battle"? [Re: shakta]
    #1744813 - 07/24/03 01:47 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

No shit, you mean you don't just leave them in Iraq for 10 years?  :smirk:


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Re: Saddams sons killed in "gun-battle"? [Re: Xlea321]
    #1744849 - 07/24/03 02:01 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Your the one that just said that kid would be there for years after Saddam was gone. WTF?

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Re: Saddams sons killed in "gun-battle"? [Re: shakta]
    #1744860 - 07/24/03 02:05 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Your the one that just said that kid would be there for years after Saddam was gone.

Not in a row man. Soldiers do go home for chris'sakes.

How old are you shak?

The point isn't about how long this one guy will stay in Iraq, it's about what he's saying that if Saddam is killed the americans will go home.


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Re: Here you go: [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1744920 - 07/24/03 02:23 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

place was reportedly surrounded by 200 soldiers. So 200 soldiers, a bunch of helicopters and 10 TOW missiles to take out 4 people (not all of them may have been armed either).

I don't know what makes you think that we knew how many people were in the compound. We had to have known that they would go out fighting until death. You can only risk so many soldiers for a mission, and the importance of the Hussein's lives do not prioritize that of a US soldier.

You seem to believe that theres only going to be 4 people in a heavily-protected compound. Concrete fuckin walls... I know I don't have concrete walls! Obviously they would have more than just themselves for protection.


Sorry if this has already been stated, but I got 5 pages into the thread and it got quite repetitive.


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Re: Here you go: [Re: DrubuShrume]
    #1745011 - 07/24/03 02:52 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Yes it's quite obvious that you didn't read much of this thread before you posted. Whilst replying to luv, you've taken what I said completely out of context. If you'd bothered to read all of my posts in this thread then you'd know that I was speculating, I didn't claim to know any of the 'facts' in this story.


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The above is an extract from my fictional novel, "The random postings of Edame".
:tongue:

In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience.

And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him.

"Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.

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Re: Saddams sons killed in "gun-battle"? [Re: Xlea321]
    #1745039 - 07/24/03 03:04 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Alex123 said:
Your the one that just said that kid would be there for years after Saddam was gone.

Not in a row man. Soldiers do go home for chris'sakes.

How old are you shak?

The point isn't about how long this one guy will stay in Iraq, it's about what he's saying that if Saddam is killed the americans will go home.




Yeah, no shit. I was just pointing out you contradicting yourself in concurrent threads. I am 27 BTW, and if you are going to try to lay a 'I am a wise old man' line of BS on me don't waste your breathe.

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Re: Saddams sons killed in "gun-battle"? [Re: shakta]
    #1745041 - 07/24/03 03:05 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Age only seems to be a factor to older people anyway... :smirk:  Its hard to believe someone younger might know something you don't!


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Re: Saddams sons killed in "gun-battle"? [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1745143 - 07/24/03 03:39 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

does anyone else think that this is just a little too well timed?
with bush's popularity sinking like a rock?
i wouldnt doubt that his wasnt actually them
the timing is just too good for bushy,
PROPAGANDA? i think so
war is destruction of our race.


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"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: Saddams sons killed in "gun-battle"? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #1745183 - 07/24/03 03:49 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Well it does seem almost unbelievable stupid, that saddams sons would hang around in the country...


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Re: Saddams sons killed in "gun-battle"? [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1745219 - 07/24/03 04:03 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

One went to Syria, but was expelled

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Re: Saddams sons killed in "gun-battle"? [Re: wingnutx]
    #1745239 - 07/24/03 04:14 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I heard, but i bet he didn't even try to sneak in...he prolly expected sanctuary or some shit...


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